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Darlene7 Not So Newbie
Joined: 21 Sep 2007 Posts: 6
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: I'm Back - Who wrote Genesis |
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Forgot in my previous post to also address the question of who wrote the Book of Genesis - these questions are foreign to me so I have never bothered to question who wrote it or care - but now with a grandson in college it seems this question has become important in relation to believing the Bible is true and not just something that was written as an interesting read. My quest now is to try and determine who wrote the Book of Geneses or why it is an important question to some.
Thanks for any info
Darlene |
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james Fierce Wolf
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 567
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe it was Moses, through the inspiration of God |
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Darlene7 Not So Newbie
Joined: 21 Sep 2007 Posts: 6
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: Moses and the Old Testament |
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Thank you - I am just now becoming familiar with the J, E, D, and P theory about who wrote the Old Testament that seems to be used at the university my grandson goes to, I have looked it up on the internet today and understand it a little bit - but evidently it is having an impact on my grandson and I assume many others about the authorship and reality of Genesis and other books of the Old Testament. Thank you for your reply, I belive as you do, just trying to see where others stand on this belief.
Again, thank you
Darlene |
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FFT Emperor of the Galaxy
Joined: 26 Mar 2005
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| The documentary hypothesis ("J, E, D and P theory") explains why the Bible reads the way it does. The two creation accounts, the contradictory information in the flood account, changes in writing style. |
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atoz Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: I'm Back - Who wrote Genesis |
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D7,
It could be that there were more human authors than Moses---just as it is clear that someone other than Moses wrote or editorialised in Numbers 12:3.
But whoever, whether Moses alone, or Moses with J, E, D and P et alia, it was all inspired in Love by God and so can be said to have been written by God---the bottom line.
Then God this confirmed thru JC that Moses was the main author:
Luke 24:27
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets,
he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luke 24:44
And he said unto them,
These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled,
which were written
in the Law of Moses, [The Torah]
and in The Prophets,
and in The Psalms,
concerning Me.
And God confirmed thru Peter that He, God Himself, was the ultimate author:
2 Peter 1:
16For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:
but
holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost [of Love].
QED.
Hope that helps.
Thanx for asking and for the opportunity to be of service to you and your gr.son.
In the Love that was the Word
that was in the beginning, 1 John 4:8,
and being who God is, John 1:1,
is the Author of everything,
atoz |
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Darlene7 Not So Newbie
Joined: 21 Sep 2007 Posts: 6
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject: Moses and the Old Tetament |
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Thanks again for your reply
Spent last night and today going over the JEPD theory and find it so hard to believe that anyone would choose it above the bible - but I can see how college at times can also introduce ideas and theories that are not based in fact but the student believes they are - I think this is the situation my grandson is in. I consider myself fortunate, moreso blessed, that he will talk to me about these things he is dealing with and I am determined to find out as much as I can to point him back to Jesus. Really appreciate your posts and thank you so much, I know Jesus is watching his progress and in control of all of this, and his faith could be much stronger at the end of this road, that is what I cling to now. |
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FFT Emperor of the Galaxy
Joined: 26 Mar 2005
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Darlene7 wrote: | | Spent last night and today going over the JEPD theory and find it so hard to believe that anyone would choose it above the bible | There are plenty of devout Christians and Jews whom espouse the documentary hypothesis.
| Darlene7 wrote: | | but I can see how college at times can also introduce ideas and theories that are not based in fact but the student believes they are | The DH may not be based in fact, per se, none of it is "proven." However, with it the Bible makes sense. It is based on actual research. |
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atoz Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: Re: Moses and the Old Tetament |
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| Darlene7 wrote: | ... I consider myself fortunate, moreso blessed, that he will talk to me about these things he is dealing with and I am determined to find out as much as I can to point him back to Jesus. ...
I know Jesus is watching his progress and in control of all of this, and his faith could be much stronger at the end of this road, that is what I cling to now. |
Dear Grma!smile
Yes, you are blessed to have him talk to you--plus grandkids are more like grparents, and grparents are better as parents than parents!
U want to be sure that his faith will be totally strong NOW, thruout and at the end of this and any road and all roads?
Teach him to love all his words and their opposites ---which wd include all theories or imaginations---since all words have images or pictures. John 1:1. Mt 5:43-48.
Why?
Faith works by Love: gal 5:6,
and
Love is what he needs to have faith in---no matter what else he has faith in or doubts!
Follow?
Plus Love for all words and their images explodes his image-ination to more than it was when he was a toddler!
In other words, doubting God's existence is normal and natural due to words having opposites and so there being opposite thoughts for each thought, and since we never see God physically.
Plus, Love is what and how we bring all thoughts INTO the captivity of JC. 2 Cor 10:5
What the problem is with doubt is Hate for the doubt.
What the problem is with certainty is Hate for the uncertain.
Love is the certain solution or the right foundation for both faith and doubt, for both the certain and the uncertain:
Love enables us to doubt in Love, ie to doubt whoever or whatever idea without ever doubting Love for it, ie while being certain about the certainty of Love for the doubt;
and whenever we are certain about whoever or whatever, to be certain with that certain Love.
Please see 2 Cor 12:9-10 for the principle: it applies to all words and their opposites.
Hope that helps.
Here is Shakespeare on it:
'Doubt thou the stars are fire;
Doubt that the sun doth move;
Doubt truth to be a liar;
But never doubt I Love.
Hamlet [II, 2]
Also check out the verses which say: He who answers a matter before he hears it, it is folly to him or such and such: in other words, doubt is normal and natural. What is unnatural and abnormal is hatred for any doubt or hatred in any certainty.
So the ONLY problem with the JEPD theory is any Hate its proponents have for any competing theories.
And the only problem with the theory or fact of God's existence or writing Torah and etc is any hatred for the thought or idea that he did NOT write it or that he does not exist.
See?
Any way, just encouraging you in your quest to be the best grandmother ever so you can raise the best grson ever!smile
Please ask any questions.
Btw, why does he come to you for answers?
Where is Mom & dad?
with that certain smile, er, ah, I mean that certain Love, smile, and R for all certainty and uncertainty,
atoz
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Darlene7 Not So Newbie
Joined: 21 Sep 2007 Posts: 6
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: Moses and the Old Testament |
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Hi again
And again thank you for your kind word and encouragement - I appreciate it very much. My grandson has been talking to me about this subject because I live near the college he attends and he comes over in between classes quite often, or after classes to just hang out awhile. He has not talked to his parents about this yet because he knows how much it would bother them to know he has doubts. I know that the time will come when he will talk to them, but he is not ready yet. I don't want him to keep these things hidden, at least if he can talk to me about it we can explore the truth and check out the facts on what he is learning, I believe that has been helpful so far because he is questioning me a lot about any new information I find against this JEPD theory and other things he is questioning at the moment. I must keep my faith that he will not stray far or for long and I know he will talk to his parents, I hope that will happen soon.
Again, thanks for your help and kind words.
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atoz Emperor of the Solar System
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Moses and the Old Testament |
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Your thanks also makes me feel thankful for being able to help.
And guess what?
As a kid, I also ate lunch at my paternal grandma's in elementary school and in college at my maternal grma!!
So your gr son is me!
And you are like both my granmas --- only metaphorically I quickly add!smile
Keep up your great work: it takes a village of family members to raise a child.
with Love and r,
atoz |
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