What form after the resurrection?

Colter · Rabid Pit Bull Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 409

Colter
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Micah denounced "the rulers who judge for reward and the priests who teach for hire and the prophets who divine for money." He taught of a day of freedom from superstition and priestcraft, saying: "But every man shall sit under his own vine, and no one shall make him afraid, for all people will live, each one according to his understanding of God."

Colter · Rabid Pit Bull Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 409

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

I see it is time for our discussions to end.

Cheers!

Nobby · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject:

Colter, I haven't deleted a post for a long for being tooo darn Loooong!! But I'm awful close too it!

I know many are taking atvantage of the long lines, but this is a very long one!

Note to all: Most of you know that it's again the board rules! So I'm asking you to please shorting them up a bit. If you are useing
cut & paste,(which we descourage) just C&P a small part that would cause intrest in the subject, then post a link. That way you don't wast so much space!
While I'm at it, I guess I might as well remind you, when you quote you don't need to quote the whole post.
Also your multu-quotes, when you keep reposting them takes up much space. All this eates up bandwidth, & that's not good.

I know that you do have to do some C&P, but we like to hear from more of what the topic means to you! Very Happy

I care about you guys, but once in a while I have to remind you.
God Bless you Nobby

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

Thanks Nobby.

Colter · Rabid Pit Bull Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 409

Hi Nobby,

Sorry about that, somehow I managed to get the same long post on the page 5 times, which made it 5 times as long. Embarassed

When I post from my home computer on this board I have difficulty loading, not sure why, I keep getting some weird message then I get redirected to the login page. Anyhow I fixed the post. Thanks for being a patient moderator. The mod's here do a great job of allowing for freedom of speech!

Colter
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Micah denounced "the rulers who judge for reward and the priests who teach for hire and the prophets who divine for money." He taught of a day of freedom from superstition and priestcraft, saying: "But every man shall sit under his own vine, and no one shall make him afraid, for all people will live, each one according to his understanding of God."

Colter · Rabid Pit Bull Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 409

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

Now Colter, if you wish to produce legitimate Bible quotes then I am prepared to continue our discussion because despite your silly claims (including that the Bible doesn't support my teachings / doctrine) then I am more than happy to continue to demonstrate just how foolish and fallacious that statement is.

You refer (without giving an accurate Reference) to Jude 1: 6 and I am so glad you did as it helps enormously to demonstrate just how misguided I believe, you currently are.

Here is the quote plus reference from the King James Standard Bible Version - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. {first estate : or, principality} (Jude 1: 6) KJV

Now my question to you is, "If you think that these 'chained angels' still had and continue to have the ability to exercise evil on the whole earth and its people, then what was the point of putting them in chains?"

Your quote also makes refernce to these 'angels' being 'kept in darkness' so why can their alleged leader (you say) become an 'angel of light?' (2 Cor. 11:14) KJV

Also I point out the following -

Why are they apparently also 'awaiting judgment' haven't they already (acccording to your current hypothesis) been judged three times i.e. The first when they were appointed as 'worthy' to become an angel of God? 2. Next when they were judged 'unworthy' and apparently evicted from God's Heavenly domain? 3. Next when they were 'put into chains of darkness?
Poor old Adam and Eve and the Serpent got but one(1) judgment (death) but apparently the worst offenders (your naughty angels) get multiple judgments and even a 'get out of jail free card?' - (Rev. 20: 7) KJV
Your current 'god' has double standards and is certainly not the equitable God of the Bible! (Psalm 98: 9, Isiah 11: 4) KJV

Lastly:

If divine angels were sinners, then they would die.
But Jesus said angels do not die. (Luke 20:36). Extract from Wrested Scriptures by Ron Abel)

Thank you.

lone-traveler · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject:

was thinkin...

1/3 of 12 = a 4th part..

just tossin this here for a minute..

Num 23:10 Who can count the dust of Jacob, and the number of the fourth [part] of Israel? Let me die the death of the righteous, and let my last end be like his!

Neh 9:3 And they stood up in their place, and read in the book of the law of the LORD their God [one] fourth part of the day; and [another] fourth part they confessed, and worshipped the LORD their God.

are there not 12 hours in a day.. Idea

Eze 10:14 And every one had four faces: the first face [was] the face of a cherub, and the second face [was] the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.

Dan 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all [things]: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns.

Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth [were of] iron, and his nails [of] brass; [which] devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Dan 11:2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than [they] all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.

Zec 6:3 And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.

Mat 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.

Mar 6:48 And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them.

Rev 4:7 And the first beast [was] like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast [was] like a flying eagle.

Rev 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Rev 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city [were] garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation [was] jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and [there was] a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Exd 28:15 ¶ And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; [of] gold, [of] blue, and [of] purple, and [of] scarlet, and [of] fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
Exd 28:16 Foursquare it shall be [being] doubled; a span [shall be] the length thereof, and a span [shall be] the breadth thereof.
Exd 28:17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, [even] four rows of stones: [the first] row [shall be] a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: [this shall be] the first row.
Exd 28:18 And the second row [shall be] an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
Exd 28:19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
Exd 28:20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.
Exd 28:21 And the stones shall be with the names of the children of Israel, twelve, according to their names, [like] the engravings of a signet; every one with his name shall they be according to the twelve tribes.

12 hours in a day...12 hours in the night...

Exd 28:9 And thou shalt take two onyx stones, and grave on them the names of the children of Israel:
Exd 28:10 Six of their names on one stone, and [the other] six names of the rest on the other stone, according to their birth.
Exd 28:11 With the work of an engraver in stone, [like] the engravings of a signet, shalt thou engrave the two stones with the names of the children of Israel: thou shalt make them to be set in ouches of gold.
Exd 28:12 And thou shalt put the two stones upon the shoulders of the ephod [for] stones of memorial unto the children of Israel: and Aaron shall bear their names before the LORD upon his two shoulders for a memorial.

Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].

started out with a third part of angels, went to the fourth part of Israel. Divided into 2 sets of 6 in two 12 hour lots.
a 4th kingdom, a 4th beast, walking in a firey furnace to walking on water. To 4 different foundations, with 12 different jewels. And two black stones, to a stone of white.

And what's really weird is the one called Lucifer who was created with all those gems and pipes..is where God is sitting in Revelation.

just picking up on that third of the angels that fell to earth with the devil.. that left their first estate thing..

ramblin..
lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

A fourth part of 12 = 3

Cheers!

Colter · Rabid Pit Bull Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 409

Hi Composer,

The story presented in the UB which explains what happened in the celestial world and how that bleed over into our world is fairly complex. I will try to answer your good questions about the judgment of the rebels and angels.

Point No 1, God delegates authority in his far flung creation.

Outside of Paradise and the 1 Billion perfect worlds (Havona) which revolve around it, the Creator Sons (Christ Michael) create and administer their universes. Our Universe encompasses 10,000,000 inhabited evolutionary planets, each in various stages or "epochs" of evolution. All inhabited worlds receive first a "Prince" and later followed by an Adam and Eve and then other Sons of God up until the age of "Light and Life".

In the complex order of administration each evolutionary planet first receives a "Planetary Prince". From paradise all the way down the chain of command, each of these spectacular beings is charged with carrying out Gods rule.

Lucifer was like a district manager of 607 planetary princes.

"Lucifer was not an ascendant being; he was a created Son of the local universe, and of him it was said: "You were perfect in all your ways from the day you were created till unrighteousness was found in you." Many times had he been in counsel with the Most Highs of Edentia. And Lucifer reigned "upon the holy mountain of God," the administrative mount of Jerusem, for he was the chief executive of a great system of 607 inhabited worlds.

Lucifer was a magnificent being, a brilliant personality; he stood next to the Most High Fathers of the constellations in the direct line of universe authority. Notwithstanding Lucifer's transgression, subordinate intelligences refrained from showing him disrespect and disdain prior to Michael's bestowal on Urantia. Even the archangel of Michael, at the time of Moses' resurrection, "did not bring against him an accusing judgment but simply said, `the Judge rebuke you.'" Judgment in such matters belongs to the Ancients of Days, the rulers of the superuniverse.

Lucifer is now the fallen and deposed Sovereign of Satania. Self-contemplation is most disastrous, even to the exalted personalities of the celestial world. Of Lucifer it was said: "Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom because of your brightness." Your olden prophet saw his sad estate when he wrote: "How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How are you cast down, you who dared to confuse the worlds!"

Very little was heard of Lucifer on Urantia owing to the fact that he assigned his first lieutenant, Satan, to advocate his cause on your planet. Satan was a member of the same primary group of Lanonandeks but had never functioned as a System Sovereign; he entered fully into the Lucifer insurrection. The "devil" is none other than Caligastia, the deposed Planetary Prince of Urantia and a Son of the secondary order of Lanonandeks. At the time Michael was on Urantia in the flesh, Lucifer, Satan, and Caligastia were leagued together to effect the miscarriage of his bestowal mission. But they signally failed.

Abaddon was the chief of the staff of Caligastia. He followed his master into rebellion and has ever since acted as chief executive of the Urantia rebels. Beelzebub was the leader of the disloyal midway creatures who allied themselves with the forces of the traitorous Caligastia.

The dragon eventually became the symbolic representation of all these evil personages. Upon the triumph of Michael, "Gabriel came down from Salvington and bound the dragon (all the rebel leaders) for an age." Of the Jerusem seraphic rebels it is written: "And the angels who kept not their first estate but left their own habitation, he has reserved in sure chains of darkness to the judgment of the great day."

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The problems associated with human existence on Earth are impossible of understanding without a knowledge of certain great epochs of the past, notably the occurrence and consequences of the planetary rebellion. Although this upheaval did not seriously interfere with the progress of organic evolution, it did markedly modify the course of social evolution and of spiritual development. The entire superphysical history of the planet was profoundly influenced by this devastating calamity.

The Beast of Genesis: (Prince Caligastia)

the prince of our world arived for duty roughly 500,000 years ago.

"For three hundred thousand years Caligastia had been in charge of Urantia when Satan, Lucifer's assistant, made one of his periodic inspection calls. And when Satan arrived on the planet, his appearance in no way resembled your caricatures of his nefarious majesty. He was, and still is, a Lanonandek Son of great brilliance. "And no marvel, for Satan himself is a brilliant creature of light."

In the course of this inspection Satan informed Caligastia of Lucifer's then proposed "Declaration of Liberty," and as we now know, the Prince agreed to betray the planet upon the announcement of the rebellion. The loyal universe personalities look with peculiar disdain upon Prince Caligastia because of this premeditated betrayal of trust. The Creator Son voiced this contempt when he said: "You are like your leader, Lucifer, and you have sinfully perpetuated his iniquity. He was a falsifier from the beginning of his self-exaltation because he abode not in the truth."

In all the administrative work of a local universe no high trust is deemed more sacred than that reposed in a Planetary Prince who assumes responsibility for the welfare and guidance of the evolving mortals on a newly inhabited world. And of all forms of evil, none are more destructive of personality status than betrayal of trust and disloyalty to one's confiding friends. In committing this deliberate sin, Caligastia so completely distorted his personality that his mind has never since been able fully to regain its equilibrium.

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Colter · Rabid Pit Bull Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 409

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"The moral will creatures of the evolutionary worlds are always bothered with the unthinking question as to why the all-wise Creators permit evil and sin. They fail to comprehend that both are inevitable if the creature is to be truly free. The free will of evolving man or exquisite angel is not a mere philosophic concept, a symbolic ideal. Man's ability to choose good or evil is a universe reality. This liberty to choose for oneself is an endowment of the Supreme Rulers, and they will not permit any being or group of beings to deprive a single personality in the wide universe of this divinely bestowed liberty--not even to satisfy such misguided and ignorant beings in the enjoyment of this misnamed personal liberty."

THE MERCY TIME LAG
Another problem somewhat difficult of explanation in the constellation of Norlatiadek pertains to the reasons for permitting Lucifer, Satan, and the fallen princes to work mischief so long before being apprehended, interned, and adjudicated.

Parents, those who have borne and reared children, are better able to understand why Michael, a Creator-father, might be slow to condemn and destroy his own Sons. Jesus' story of the prodigal son well illustrates how a loving father can long wait for the repentance of an erring child.

The very fact that an evil-doing creature can actually choose to do wrong--commit sin--establishes the fact of free-willness and fully justifies any length delay in the execution of justice provided the extended mercy might conduce to repentance and rehabilitation.

Most of the liberties which Lucifer sought he already had; others he was to receive in the future. All these precious endowments were lost by giving way to impatience and yielding to a desire to possess what one craves now and to possess it in defiance of all obligation to respect the rights and liberties of all other beings composing the universe of universes. Ethical obligations are innate, divine, and universal.

There are many reasons known to us why the Supreme Rulers did not immediately destroy or intern the leaders of the Lucifer rebellion. There are no doubt still other and possibly better reasons unknown to us. The mercy features of this delay in the execution of justice were extended personally by Michael of Nebadon. Except for the affection of this Creator-father for his erring Sons, the supreme justice of the superuniverse would have acted. If such an episode as the Lucifer rebellion had occurred in Nebadon while Michael was incarnated on Urantia, the instigators of such evil might have been instantly and absolutely annihilated.

Supreme justice can act instantly when not restrained by divine mercy. But the ministry of mercy to the children of time and space always provides for this time lag, this saving interval between seedtime and harvest. If the seed sowing is good, this interval provides for the testing and upbuilding of character; if the seed sowing is evil, this merciful delay provides time for repentance and rectification. This time delay in the adjudication and execution of evildoers is inherent in the mercy ministry of the seven superuniverses. This restraint of justice by mercy proves that God is love, and that such a God of love dominates the universes and in mercy controls the fate and judgment of all his creatures." UB 1955

Colter writes:

While the final battle between Jesus and the arch rebels took place on Mt. Hermon, just prior to beginning the public faze of his incarnate mission (baptism) all the rebels, demons, angels etc. that participated in the rebellion were incarcerated awaiting their judgment on high (after the ressurection). As of the time of the Urantia Revelation Lucifer's case was yet to be adjudicated. Time on the universe headquarters is far different then ours. Prince Caligastia, though defeated and powerless to tamper with spiritual thought life on earth, was still on the planet during the time of the UB in 1934. he may have been tried by now, we have no way of knowing. Only those who desired his wicked presence (Satan worshipers) could/can bring him close. He is as good as dead!

Colter

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

There you go again Colter, you are mischievous!

You quote something from the Bible and then because the Bible doesn't substantiate 'what you claim it is saying' then you scurry elsewhere for anything?

You don't have a shred of credibility and unlike you the Bible supports my doctrine precisely!

You are a time waster!

Colter · Rabid Pit Bull Joined: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 409

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

You seem to claim Christ's 'cosmic conscience' was 'limited' by what he knew then and taught and therefore you must also conclude that Jesus 'wished' he had copies of 'future revelations' e.g. the Koran, the Book of Mormon or this UB?

Cheers!