What form after the resurrection?

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

. . . the innocent and righteous slay thou not: . . . (Ex. 23: 7) KJV

God never punishes the innocent.

God's Laws are consistent.

They applied equally to Christ.

Christ was 'put to death' for the propensity to sin all men inherit by way of Adam (Christ via his mortal Mother Mary, Rom. 3:23, 5:12) KJV

As the Scriptures also confirm, Christ couldn't 'remain dead' because he DID NO ADDED SINS (1 Pet. 2:22) KJV to the inherent propensity to sin he couldn't help inherit at his birth.

If Christ was exempt from the potential to sin (by way of Adam Rom. 3:23, 5:12) KJV then Christ would have been a false and hypocrytical example to us all. The Scriptures however confirm however that this is not the case and Christ had to overcome the propensity to sin that all men have to overcome. In God's strength Christ succeeded because of his Faith, Submission and Obedience to his God's Will rather than succumbing to his own 'Self Will' (Luke 22:42) KJV

The 'can't possibly ever sin and exempt from God's Laws that apply equally to ALL men(Rom. 3:23, 5:12 KJV)' trinitarian christ, is an imposter!

Cheers!

lone-traveler · Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:36 am Post subject:

I have a question..

we have a law...no speeding or you will get a ticket and pay a fine. Maybe even have your liscence revoked.

God says..hurry I need you to go quick to save a life.

Now If I break the law and obey God..am I guilty of sin?

hugs
Lone

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kejonn · Show Poodle Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 251

c2005,

What do these verses mean to you?

If any sin can be placed at Yeshua's feet, it is the our sin, not his own. 2 Co 5:21 says as much: God made Yeshua to be sin so they he may be sacrificed on the tree. Of himself, he did no sin.

If you take the verses that say all have sinned to include Yeshua, then you must also believe that Yeshua's name is even above his Father's name because that is what scripture says

Php 2:9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

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lone-traveler · Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject:

The temptation to sin was for him to be as unmerciful to them as they were to others.

In their eyes Jesus was a sinner because he broke their laws. He was made "Sin" to them. Who knew no sin,because he did not follow their laws of vain glory and murder.
He came to give rest for everyone..not just those who felt they were approved to have rest or who felt they had the authority to make men rest, but he gave rest to all from the burdens of the law.

Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mar 7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
Mar 7:11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, [It is] Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; [he shall be free].
Mar 7:12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
what then?

What did Moses say?
What did they say?

they had "doctored" the laws.

I was wondering..

When Jesus is talking he says "commandment(s)" plural of men...
And he says "commandment" singular of God.

You suppose this is a TYPO?

Or is that commandment of God the ONE which John speaks of here:

2Jo 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

If this was the commandment that we had from the beginning...WHY was it added to?

And can you show me from the beginning of creation who kept this law perfectly?

Did Eve love the serpent by accusing him? Did Adam love Eve by accusing her?
Did Cain Love Abel? Did David love Goliath?
Did Jacob love Leah? Did Rebekah love Esau?
Did Noah love Ham? Did Sarah love Haggia?
Did MOSES LOVE THE EGYPTIAN?

But GOD so Loved the world....He always keeps his law!

Man got a bit upset because Jesus broke their "carnal" laws. But he ALWAYS kept God's law.

To Love God with all his heart and mind and soul, and to love his neighbour as himself. Even if it meant breaking man's law in order to keep the law.

Jesus was also sent to show them their sins. He broke their own laws, the ones he was born under, to show them how far from the truth they had strayed.

If Jesus had been born a Gentile then there would have been no law against him to cause them to kill him.
He had to die by their hand to show them how unfaithful and unmerciful their laws were.

So Jesus did many miracles...even some we don't understand..for their own good.

Like being a Nazarene and not keeping the laws of a Nazarite...

Jer 35:1 ¶ The word which came unto Jeremiah from the LORD in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, saying,
Jer 35:2 Go unto the house of the Rechabites, and speak unto them, and bring them into the house of the LORD, into one of the chambers, and give them wine to drink.

Jer 35:5 And I set before the sons of the house of the Rechabites pots full of wine, and cups, and I said unto them, Drink ye wine.
Jer 35:6 But they said, We will drink no wine: for Jonadab the son of Rechab our father commanded us, saying, Ye shall drink no wine, [neither ye], nor your sons for ever:
Jer 35:8 Thus have we obeyed the voice of Jonadab the son of Rechab our father in all that he hath charged us, to drink no wine all our days, we, our wives, our sons, nor our daughters;
Jer 35:9 Nor to build houses for us to dwell in: neither have we vineyard, nor field, nor seed:
Jer 35:10 But we have dwelt in tents, and have obeyed, and done according to all that Jonadab our father commanded us.

Jer 35:12 ¶ Then came the word of the LORD unto Jeremiah, saying,
Jer 35:13 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Go and tell the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, Will ye not receive instruction to hearken to my words? saith the LORD.
Jer 35:14 The words of Jonadab the son of Rechab, that he commanded his sons not to drink wine, are performed; for unto this day they drink none, but obey their father's commandment: notwithstanding I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking; but ye hearkened not unto me.
Jer 35:15 I have sent also unto you all my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending [them], saying, Return ye now every man from his evil way, and amend your doings, and go not after other gods to serve them, and ye shall dwell in the land which I have given to you and to your fathers: but ye have not inclined your ear, nor hearkened unto me.
Jer 35:16 Because the sons of Jonadab the son of Rechab have performed the commandment of their father, which he commanded them; but this people hath not hearkened unto me:
Jer 35:17 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have pronounced against them: because I have spoken unto them, but they have not heard; and I have called unto them, but they have not answered.

Did Jesus Listen to his Father?

Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

Did Jesus break the carnal commandments, yet keep his fathers commandment...to Love one another?
To be no respector of persons? To love thy neighbour as thyself?

Is it better to Obey God or man?

ramblin...
hugs
Lone

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

lone-traveler · Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject:

I noticed you say Christ and his God..

I'm going to take a longshot here and assume that Christ's God is not your God too?

Jesus was never unmerciful.
I suppose the temptation to be unmerciful was there..don't you?
I said Christ was tempted...
Consider if he had chosen to not follow the commandment of Love, and chose retribution instead?
Suppose he had enough followers to go into mortal combat with Jerusalem?
What would that have accomplished? Just more hate in the world than there is now. Probably would have destroyed ourselves a long time ago.
And He did enter into rest FIRST through Faith in God.
And Christ did fulfill the law. He is the unblemished lamb without spot whom they sacrificed for their sins.
He fulfiiled it.

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

lone-traveler · Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject:

I apologize if that's how it came over...

I believe the temptation to be unmerciful was there.

Exd 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

be angry and sin not..