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holly102869
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 Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: In the book of revelations does it say? |
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Just a question
I have heard several people say (not on this site) that the fall of the twin towers in NY is in the book of revelations. I have to admit that most of this book I don't really understand. Therefore, I can't find it in there. If it is there would someone please point it out to me and please explain it also. Remember I can't quite grasp the meanings of this book.
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Steven3
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: Re: In the book of revelations does it say? |
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Hi Holly  | holly102869 wrote: | Just a question
I have heard several people say (not on this site) that the fall of the twin towers in NY is in the book of revelations. |
News to me  . When it happened a lot of people looked to Christ's words about the Tower of Siloam. | Quote: | | I have to admit that most of this book I don't really understand. Therefore, I can't find it in there. If it is there would someone please point it out to me and please explain it also. Remember I can't quite grasp the meanings of this book. |
Anyone who says they do is fooling themselves.
Can I recommend Bruce Metzger's Breaking the Code: Understanding the Book of Revelation - he doesn't seek to explain every symbol, but lays down some common sense.
God bless
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pato
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:20 am Post subject: revelation ?............... |
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Holly wrote:
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Just a question
I have heard several people say (not on this site) that the fall of the twin towers in NY is in the book of revelations
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I sure would be interested in finding out where exactly 
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Zathrus
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Rather than try to line up passages in Revelation with current events, I think it makes more sense to look for meanings in Revelation by looking at the old testament, the gospels, and even the epistles.
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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now on that we are in somewhat of agreement zath...
though i firmly believe it is a goood thing to ...watch...as JESUS warns...but...back to what you said...yes...
that is the proper way...for is not the name of the book the revelation?...not the mystery....but the revelation...
so many try to decifer it....when it is the revelation...the key... |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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wasn't it nicodemus that saw a vision concerning the two towers and fire or something like that?
I don't remember what quatrain it was written.
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Zathrus
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| Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | wasn't it nicodemus that saw a vision concerning the two towers and fire or something like that?
I don't remember what quatrain it was written. |
Lone, I think you mean Nostradamus. Not to be confused with the religious leader who asked Jesus about the gospel by night because he didn't want his fellow Pharisees to know he'd been talking to Jesus.
seldomscene:
Good point. The book is the REvelation. Not the mystery. In fact, rather than leave things a mystery, the Revelation does the opposite! Daniel was told to seal up the prophecy that he was given, because it wasn't time yet for the fulfillment. In the Revelation, you read about the scroll of prophecy being unsealed!
And what words does the book open with?
| Quote: | | 1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, ... |
The Revelation is not a concealing, but a revealing! Of what? Of Jesus Christ!
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lone-traveler
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Yup,
Nostradamus. That's the one. Thankyou Zathrus.. 
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antiaging
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| Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: In the book of revelations does it say? |
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| holly102869 wrote: | Just a question
I have heard several people say (not on this site) that the fall of the twin towers in NY is in the book of revelations. I have to admit that most of this book I don't really understand. Therefore, I can't find it in there. If it is there would someone please point it out to me and please explain it also. Remember I can't quite grasp the meanings of this book. |
The fall of the twin towers is not in the book of Revelation. The united states of america is not in the book of revelation.
Rome is in there. Jerusalem is in there. Israel is in there.
Probably China and India and Japan (the kings of the East) is in there; whoever the kings of the East are. Those are prospects for what is meant by the kings of the East. European Economic Community (10 nations from it) is probably in there. |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| Zathrus wrote: | | Rather than try to line up passages in Revelation with current events, I think it makes more sense to look for meanings in Revelation by looking at the old testament, the gospels, and even the epistles. |
What you said here is correct.
The Bible interpretes itself.
It is always a mistake trying to take current events and try to make the Bible fit them.
A prime example of this, is by looking at todays nation of Israel.
When God rejected that nation.....there is absolutely no Scripture, to show where He ever brings the Nation of Israel, back into end time events.
The Nation of Israel refer to in Revelation is Spiritual Israel (the church).
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antiaging
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | A prime example of this, is by looking at todays nation of Israel.
When God rejected that nation.....there is absolutely no Scripture, to show where He ever brings the Nation of Israel, back into end time events.
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Yes there is.
Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
That prophecy in Ezekiel shows that Israel would be brought back and it would exist as a nation "in the latter years", which is referring to the time nearing the end. |
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james
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| I have never heard of the twin towers being in Revelations. As far as understanding Revelations, John was in the Spirit and I believe we can understand it if we ourselves are in the Spirit. |
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Silver Surfer
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| antiaging wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | A prime example of this, is by looking at todays nation of Israel.
When God rejected that nation.....there is absolutely no Scripture, to show where He ever brings the Nation of Israel, back into end time events.
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Yes there is.
Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
That prophecy in Ezekiel shows that Israel would be brought back and it would exist as a nation "in the latter years", which is referring to the time nearing the end. |
That Prophecy refers to Israel's coming out of Bablylonian captivity.....which was fullfilled.
It has nothing to do with last day events of today.
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Zathrus
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| antiaging wrote: | [quote="Silver Surfer" ] | Zathrus wrote: | A prime example of this, is by looking at todays nation of Israel.
When God rejected that nation.....there is absolutely no Scripture, to show where He ever brings the Nation of Israel, back into end time events.
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antiaging, I believe you have yet to get a handle on this quote thing on this message board. Please make sure that the number of [quote="xxx" ]'s at the beginning of the quote is equal to the number of [/quote ]'s at the end and you should be OK. If you go in there and mess with them, things will get mixed up.
To all, the quote in antiaging's last post was Silver Surfer, not me.
And my opinion on Ezekiel 38:8: | Quote: | | After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. |
Actually I think this was not fulfilled in national Israel's return from captivity in Babylon. But niether do I think it remains to be fulfilled yet in some earthly way to an earthly Israel. It is a prophecy of when God's true chosen people, His spiritual Israel, would be gathered out of all nations and live safely from their enemies, for God sent His Son to save them from their sin.
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