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Silver Surfer
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 Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:09 am Post subject: Re: Based on the Golden Rule, when God commands us to love |
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God has told us to love, and HOW to love.....yet, the vast majority in the Christian world don't want to love as God says to....by keeping His commandments.
Love for God is lacking !
God does not want praise, as much as He wants obedience.
Obedience, PROVES love for God.
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atoz
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Based on the Golden Rule, when God commands us to love |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | God has told us to love, and HOW to love.....yet, the vast majority in the Christian world don't want to love as God says to....by keeping His commandments.
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And God's first command is for you to love those who obey and those who disobey ----
[Do you hate Sunday-keepers as you keep the Sabbath?]
---like this:
Matthew 5:
43Ye have heard that it hath been said,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour,
and
hate thine enemy.
44But I say unto you,
Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for He maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust
46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye?
do not even the publicans the same?
47And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others?
do not even the publicans so?
48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
It is the height of Disobedience to HATE or DESPISE those who keep Sunday while you are keeping Saturday:-----
Like this:
Luke 18:
9And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous,
and despised others [who were wrong or disobedient]:
10Two men went up into the temple to pray;
the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess [and I keep the sabbath].
13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14I tell you,
this man [who was wrong] went down to his house justified rather than the other [who was right in the wrong attitude of Hate for the wrong]:
for every one that exalteth himself [in Hate of the abased] shall be abased;
and he that humbleth himself [in Love of the abased and the exalted] shall be exalted.
So come on, SS, love sundaykeepers, then keep the sabbath in Love.
in Love of staurady keepers and sundaykeepers,
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Silver Surfer
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Based on the Golden Rule, when God commands us to love |
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| atoz wrote: |
[Do you hate Sunday-keepers as you keep the Sabbath?] |
Good Question, Atoz.
If I hated Sunday keepers, I'd let them keep sinning againist God, and God would destroy them in the final Judgment Day.
No, my love for them is manifested in trying to warn them, of the GREAT danger they face !
God has said that No One who practices sin will enter heaven.
| Quote: | So come on, SS, love sundaykeepers, then keep the sabbath in Love.
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I hate the fact that satan is trying to destroy people, by them keeping his day of worship.
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atoz
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:02 am Post subject: Re: Based on the Golden Rule, when God commands us to love |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | atoz wrote: |
[Do you hate Sunday-keepers as you keep the Sabbath?] |
Good Question, Atoz.
If I hated Sunday keepers, I'd let them keep sinning againist God, and God would destroy them in the final Judgment Day.
No, my love for them is manifested in trying to warn them, of the GREAT danger they face !
God has said that No One who practices sin will enter heaven.
| Quote: | So come on, SS, love sundaykeepers, then keep the sabbath in Love.
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I hate the fact that satan is trying to destroy people, by them keeping his day of worship. |
SS!
U sound so much like I usta sound when I kept the sab in hate: Oh, I do love sundaykeepers because I fast for them and pray for them and warn them and etc.....but I cd not say the words: I love sundaykeepers or sunday.
So u obviously do NOT love them when you don't DO for them.
See?
In Hate of them as bad, U are trying to make them good to love them, rather than loving them to make em good---which is God's way: the good Love in your heart comes first!
Wd you love them if they never changed?
Wd you lvoe them if you had to destroy them?
God loves them even if he has to destroy them: ezek 18:23, 32.
See the difference?
If you hate the fact of satan,
you must secretly hate God for allowing him to do so!
See Job 1 and 42.
in all love and R,
atoz |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:20 am Post subject: Re: Based on the Golden Rule, when God commands us to love |
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| atoz wrote: | SS!
U sound so much like I usta sound when I kept the sab in hate: |
I don't believe that anyone can be a sabbath-keeper if they hate any person....it is impossible !
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Oh, I do love sundaykeepers because I fast for them and pray for them and warn them and etc.....but I cd not say the words: I love sundaykeepers or sunday.
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God is the one who placed hatred for satan within the born-again person......
Genesis 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What [is] this [that] thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Do you know the Hebrew meaning of the word, 'enmity' ?
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atoz
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: Based on the Golden Rule, when God commands us to love |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | atoz wrote: | SS!
U sound so much like I usta sound when I kept the sab in hate: |
I don't believe that anyone can be a sabbath-keeper if they hate any person....it is impossible ! |
Wow!
That's great!
It is impossible to righteously or correctly or properly keep the sabbath IF we hate any one since Love for all is the basis of keeping the Ten, including the 4th.
Matthew 22:36-40 and 1 Corin 13:3.
So you shd be easily able to say the words:
I love myself as a sundaykeeper so that I love sundaykeepers as myself.
By your words,...matthew 12:34-37.
in the Rest of Love for the Sabbath and sabbath keepers,
atoz |
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atoz
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Based on the Golden Rule, when God commands us to love |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: |
God is the one who placed hatred for satan within the born-again person......
Genesis 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What [is] this [that] thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Do you know the Hebrew meaning of the word, 'enmity' ? |
SS!
When God said that, He was just reminding us that that is HOW he made us: with front and back, head and foot, left and right, as friends and as enemies: so we can LOVE ourselves as friends and as enemies and so love all others as friends and as enemies---as ourselves!!!!
See?
When God said that, all he meant was that satan wd be our enemy and we wd be satan's enemy----but we are commanded to love our enemies or to love those who we are with enmity or with whom we are at enmity or at variance or at opposition or etc!
see?
Just like when JC said he wd put enmity between dad and son, mom and dtr, between members of our own households! in Matthew 10:35-36---so we wd be able to lvoe our enemies!
Do you see?
Matthew 10:
35For I am come to set a man at variance/PUT A MAN AT ENMITY against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36And a man's foes/ENEMIES shall be they of his own household.
Notice how similar matthew 10:35-36 is to Genesis 3:15!
Enmity means being in opposition to or being an enemy of or an opponent of!
We are to love our opposites or opponents or foes or enemies or adversaries or adversities or antonyms or etc!
see?
Ebah is the hebrew word also used in Numbers 35.
Please read numbers 35:21-22, and from verse 15 to end.
So we are to love our enemies no matter who they are.
Satan sins by hating HIS enemies,
and we sin by hating OUR enemies.
Satan sins by hating US as his enemies,
and we sin by hating satan as our enemy too.
Satan sins by hating those with whom he is at enmity:
we obey God and are sinless when we love satan or humans with whom we are at enmity!!!
Story done!
How can God accuse satan of being guilty of the sin of hating Satan's enemies and make us innocent of hating Satan back as our enemy with the same hatred?
How can God condemn satan for hating God, satan's enemy, while God is hating satan and expecting us to hate satan?
God obeys His Own Golden Rule.
Hope that helps.
Please ask more questions.
in Love,
atoz |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:29 am Post subject: Re: Based on the Golden Rule, when God commands us to love |
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| atoz wrote: | I love myself as a sundaykeeper so that I love sundaykeepers as myself.
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No, commmandment-keepers are the only ones who love God....according to the Bible.....
Sunday-keepers DO NOT love God...IF ...they are aware of what God has said about the 7th day sabbath.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Based on the Golden Rule, when God commands us to love |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | atoz wrote: | I love myself as a sundaykeeper so that I love sundaykeepers as myself.
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No, commmandment-keepers are the only ones who love God....according to the Bible.....
Sunday-keepers DO NOT love God...IF ...they are aware of what God has said about the 7th day sabbath.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. |
Wow, SS, U can't say it!sad sigh
I was NOT asking you if YOU love God or if Sundaykeeprs love God:--- I was asking you to say that YOU love youself as a sinner and so love sinners as yourself.
A sunday or sabbath keeper is just another name for a sinner!
And you can't say it because that whole Love is NOT YET in your heart and so can NOT come out of your heart for your mouth to speak it. Matthew 12:34-37.
Which then proves that you are disobeying God's FIRST commandment to love you good neigbore and to lvoe your BAD neighbor as yourself: matthew 22:36-40.
Which is what John 15:10 is saying:
If ye keep my commandments,
ESPECIALLY THE UNDER-ALL ONE OF LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF SO THAT YOU ARE IN LOVE TO KEEP ALL THE OTHER COMMANDMENTS AND SO KEEP THE TEN IN LOVE,
THEN ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father's commandments ESPECIALLY THE ONE ABOUT LOVE, and SO abide in his love.
The Ten only mean whole Love when you love the Ten and their opposites, when you first love the keepers of the Ten and the NON-keepers of the Ten, love the saints and the sinners,
so that when it comes to the 4th:
u keep the sabbath in Love of sabkeepers and sunkeepers, and break the sab in Love of both too as per matthew 12.
Any way,
I hope that God will make your answer as revealing to you as He has made it to me, et alia.
with Love of myself as SS as saint and as sinner so that I love SS as myself,
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Based on the Golden Rule, when God commands us to love |
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| atoz wrote: | [Wow, SS, U can't say it!sad sigh
I was NOT asking you if YOU love God or if Sundaykeeprs love God:--- I was asking you to say that YOU love youself as a sinner and so love sinners as yourself.
A sunday or sabbath keeper is just another name for a sinner!
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Correction.......a sabbath-keeper is NOT a sinner.
Anyone who keeps ALL God's commandments are NOT sinners.
The Bible defines sinners, as those people who break or (disobey) God's commandments.
And, LOVE is the motivating factor behind keeping all God's commandments.
Commandment-keeping is what determines whether a person loves God or not.
God, is the one who has defined how love is to be shown, both to man and God.
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atoz
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Based on the Golden Rule, when God commands us to love |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: |
Correction.......a sabbath-keeper is NOT a sinner.
Anyone who keeps ALL God's commandments are NOT sinners.
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I am so sorry, SS!
So you can say 'I love myself as a sabbath-keeper,'
but can NOT say 'I love myself as a sinner?'
Is that right?
So what about when a sabbathkeeper is a sinner in another way---like telling a lie or lusting---can you say I love myself as a sinner?
You do not love yourself as a sinner?
And so you don't love sinners as yourself?
sigh
Romans 5:
8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
in Love,
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Based on the Golden Rule, when God commands us to love |
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| atoz wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: |
Correction.......a sabbath-keeper is NOT a sinner.
Anyone who keeps ALL God's commandments are NOT sinners.
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I am so sorry, SS!
So you can say 'I love myself as a sabbath-keeper,'
but can NOT say 'I love myself as a sinner?'
Is that right? |
The sinner has no relationship to God....based on love.
By that I mean, they are opposed to God.
The sinner is at enmity against God.....
Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
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atoz
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: Based on the Golden Rule, when God commands us to love |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: |
The sinner has no relationship to God....based on love.
By that I mean, they are opposed to God.
The sinner is at enmity against God.....
Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. |
But SS,
that is the whole point:
Sinners have the carnal mind of Hate for their enemies or hate those with whom they are at enmity or hate against whom they are opposed,
while
God loves his enemies and so loves those sinners with whom HE is at enmity or in opposition to.
So to God who loves his enemies, opposites and enemies/enmity mean Love.
And to those who hate their opposites, enemies/enmity mean Hate!
So God has a realtionship of Love with sinners who by their sin of hatred have no relationship of Love with God.
So.
Do you SS love those who have NO relationship with you?
Do you love strangers and non-relatives?
Do you love those who hate you?
In Love of relatives and nonrelatives, of family and strangers, of lovers and of haters as per Lev 19:17-18, 34; matthew 5:43-48,
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: Re: Based on the Golden Rule, when God commands us to love |
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God also commands that we hate sin.
Let's teach both sides of the same coin, OK ?
We are not to hate the sinner, but the sin itself.
Jesus Christ proved that principle in His life on earth.
God uses Love, to try to separate the sinner, from their sins.
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atoz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Based on the Golden Rule, when God commands us to love |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | God also commands that we hate sin.
Let's teach both sides of the same coin, OK ?
We are not to hate the sinner, but the sin itself.
Jesus Christ proved that principle in His life on earth.
God uses Love, to try to separate the sinner, from their sins. |
Thanx, SS.
God uses Love to separate all sinners from their sin of hating themselves as sinners.
Let me do so too:
Since the sin is to hate any unjust sinner who God loves as Per Mt 5:43-48,
then
we are to love all sinners,
and
we are to hate the sin of hating any sinners.
With the Coin of Love for all sinners,
which Coin of Love's opposite side is:
Hate for the sin of Hate of any sinner,
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