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atoz
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steven3 wrote:

Hi Atoz
..... fallen angels, that's all, they don't really exist. Hence no need to love Satan, he doesn't exist.
God bless
Steven

Atoz:

Hi S3,

How about this?

1 Cor 1:
27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise;
and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28And base things of the world,
and things which are DESPISED, hath God CHOSEN,
yea, and things which are not
, to bring to nought things that are:

So God unconditionally loves things or people or beings who do not exist, who are less than nothing, God unconditionally loves those who are nothing to bring to nothing the things or people who are something.

So you wanna change to loving who or what does not exist?smile
And would you love Satan and his demons IF they did exist?smile

Do you love math?
Do you love nothing or nought or zero in math?
You do?
Well it doesn't really exist you know!smile

Why wd we waste time & Hate on hating what does not exist anyway?

Don't atheists and evolutionists make the same mistake of hating what to them does not exist?

How can we get Atheists & Evolutionists to love God when they think that He does not really exist and so is nonexistent to them IF we hate who we think or know does NOT exist?

How can we love evolutionists if we hate the evolution that we think or know does not exist and is nonexistent to us?


How can we love imaginary things that do not exist if we can't love what or who does not exist?
See?

Don't you have a vivid imagination?
Do all the things in your imagination exist?
Aren't most of the imaginary things in your imagination just nothing but an idea that is intangible and non-existent?

God's Love is unconditional and so he loves
the existing and the nonexisting,
W and Harry Potter,
George Brown and Robin Hood,
maggie Thatcher and Alice in Wonderland,
Blair and Santa Claus.

Haven't you ever heard of:
I've got plenty of nothing,
and Nothing's plenty for me?smile

Plus:
2 Cor 6:
10As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing;
as poor, yet making many rich;
as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

Do you love having nothing?
Do you love being nothing or being nobody?
Do you have love having nothing when it comes to ancestry?

1 Cor 1
27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise;
and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28And base things of the world, and things which are DESPISED, hath God CHOSEN, yea, and
things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

Do you and shd you love who or what God brings to nought & nothing & to non-existence?

with God's Unconditonal Love for zero and for Love as in lawn-tennis and for nought and for nothing that Love makes all things out of and for the nonexistent, AND for everything that does exist
atoz

PS:
Here's a song for you that I bet you love and have sung and sing, it's such a nice one:smile
So let's sing along: I bet it is one of God's favs too!smile
Btw, all the hows he knows are in Love!smile

Artist: Air Supply
Song: Making Love Out of Nothing at All

I know just how to whisper
And I know just how to cry
I know just where to find the answers
And I know just how to lie
I know just how to fake it
And I know just how to scheme
I know just when to face the truth
And then I know just when to dream

And I know just where to touch you
And I know just what to prove
I know when to pull you closer
And I know when to let you loose
And I know the night is fading
And I know the time's gonna fly
And I'm never gonna tell you
Everything I gotta tell you
But I know I gotta give it a try

And I know the roads to riches
And I know the ways to fame
I know all the rules
And I know how to break 'em
And I always know the name of the game

But I don't know how to leave you
And I'll never let you fall
And I don't know how you do it
Making love out of nothing at all

Out of nothing at all, out of nothing at all
Out of nothing at all, out of nothing at all
Out of nothing at all,
Making love out of nothing at all


Everytime I see you all the rays of the sun
Are streaming through the waves in your hair
And every star in the sky is taking aim at your eyes
Like a spotlight

The beating of my heart is a drum and it's lost
And it's looking for a rhythm like you
You can take the darkness from the pit of the night
And turn into a beacon burning endlessly bright

I've gotta follow it 'cause everything I know
Well it's nothing till I give it to you

I can make the runner stumble
I can make the final block
I can make every tackle at the sound of the whistle
I can make all the stadiums rock
I can make tonight forever
Or I can make it disappear by the dawn
I can make every promise that has ever been made
I can make all your demons be gone

But I'm never gonna make it without you
Do you really want to see me crawl
And I'm never gonna make it like you do
Making love out of nothing at all

Out of nothing at all, out of nothing at all
Out of nothing at all, out of nothing at all
Out of nothing at all, out of nothing at all
Out of nothing at all


After all,
God originally by Love in the beginning
made everything out of nothing at all!smile

Can we make Love out of nothing IF we hate 'nothing'?smile
Don't we have to love 'nothing' in order to make Love out of 'nothing' and in order to make 'nothing' out of Love ...just as we love sound in order to make sound out of Love and make Love out of sound?

God's General Rule is:
When we love all words,
we make Love out of all words
and make all words out of Love....shades of Matthew 25:35-45:
inasmuch as we love any word,
we make JC out of it,
and make it out of JC.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atoz, just in regular living, how is it we are supposed to "love" the Devil? Do we invite him and his companions to sup with us? What is your definition of love?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steven3 wrote:


Hi Atoz
atoz wrote:
Steven3 wrote:
Likewise Satan is a symbol for the evil that is in men and the world. ...
if that were the case, and we are to hate Satan as sin, then when God considered JC as sin [in 2 Cor 5:21, that wd mean that God hated Jc and we shd too!?

The difference is that Christ didn't sin.

Atoz:
Hi S3,

But that is a difference without any distinction since,
even for sinners,
God & JC still separate the sinners from the sin
and still love the sinful sinners as much as They love the sinless Christ,
and still hate ONLY the sinners' sin!

Romans 5: 8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

John 15:
9As the Father hath loved me,
so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

Steven3 wrote:

Satan however is sin, or at least a symbol personification of sin and temptation.

atoz: And based on His own Unconditional Impartial Universal Law of Love,
God still loves and must love the sinful Satan and still hates and must hate only Satan's sin.

But let's suppose Satan did exist,
shd you lvoe him?

And do you or shd you love the real and existing God as your enemy or as your adversary?
Exodus 23: 22But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak;
then
I will be an enemy unto thine enemies,
and
an adversary unto thine adversaries.

Lamentations 2:
4He hath bent his bow like an enemy:
he stood with his right hand as an adversary,
and slew all that were pleasant to the eye in the tabernacle of the daughter of Zion:
he poured out his fury like fire.

5The LORD was as an enemy:
he hath swallowed up Israel,
he hath swallowed up all her palaces:
he hath destroyed his strong holds, and hath increased in the daughter of Judah mourning and lamentation.

In Love of all sinners as friends and as enemies,
In Hate of only the sin of hating any sinner as an enemy,
atoz
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cballard wrote:
Atoz, just in regular living, how is it we are supposed to "love" the Devil? Do we invite him and his companions to sup with us? What is your definition of love?
That's a good question

Would it be the same as the Stones' definition?


Particularly seen as Christ did not "love" the devil, but "destroyed" him on the cross:

Hebrews 2:14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,

God bless
S
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cballard wrote:
Atoz, just in regular living, how is it we are supposed to "love" the Devil? Do we invite him and his companions to sup with us? What is your definition of love?


Great Q, CB!

CB,

Recall that we are to RESIST the devil, right?
That is, we are to stand up against the devil, to OPPOSE him.
1 Peter 5:8-9.

So we are not to have lunch with him nor sup with him nor have him around us in any way.
see?
Justa s we are to stay away, IN LOVE for our neighbor, from our neighbor's house!

Proverbs 25:
17Withdraw thy foot from thy neighbour's house;
lest he be weary of thee, and so hate thee.
The only q is HOW are we gonna do so, HOW does GOD say we are to do so: With Love or with Hate for him.

So , God says Stay away from the devil with Love for the devil...just as God tells us to stay away from our neighbor's house...with Love for our neighbor.
see?

Plus, first of all, we are NOT to THINK like he thinks: for to think like he thinks is to have the Mind of satan, is to be just as if satan is living in us...just as to think like JC is to have the mind of JC and so is like having JC and GOD live in us. Phil 2:5.

Now how does satan think?
Satan hates us, which hatred is a sin!
So if we hate him back, we are also sinning....even before and even AS we then try to resist him!!!!!! In fact, hating him and then trying to resist him is a total waste of time and effort since we are resisting him in HIS sinful way of Hate...rather than in God's way of Love!
see?

How can Satan be brought up in God's Supreme Court for the SIN OF HATING US victims of his Hate,
while we as victims are also HATING him?
We wd be as guilty as him, and in fact more so since WE call ourselves Xtians whose God tells us to LOVE our adversaries and enemies! Matthew 5:43-48.

See?

So how do we love Satan?
Just as we love God!
Forget about satan for a moment.

Let's think of loving God unconditionally:
We are to love God as friend and as enemy!
see Exodus 23:22. Lamentations 2:4-5. Matthew 22:36-40, 5:43-48. etc
How?
Just by having that attitude of mind that we wd love God as friend and even if he were our enemy...so that our Love is not limited or conditioned on loving God only as or because he is our friend.

So when we love God as our enemy, we are loving Him just as if the were Satan, and so when we love Satan, we are also loving God since God is the one who puts us into satan's hands as per job and 1 cor 5 and etc!

So that is why God told us to love our enemies in the FIRST place: so that we wd automatically love GOD as the least of these or as the greatest of these enemies or whoever, and so he cd see if we were trying to fool Him!!!!
Matthew 25:35-45. 1 John 4:20.

So in other words, rather than having the sinful attitude of Hate for satan which makes us fear him: 1 John 4:18, we are to have the Godly attitude of Love for satan and so have NO fear of him nor any demon and so WITH LOVE resist him and IN LOVE have NOTHING to do with satan, and so conquer his sin of hatred with God's Love and so chase him away while he flees from Love since Hate can't stand to be around Love!!!!!!

CB, this is kid's stuff: any normal kid can see this.matthew 18:1-3. 1 Corin 14:20

So we start off by repenting of hating who God loves and says we are to love.acts 2:38-40.

Then we say the words as per Matthew 12:34-37: I love satan as God loves him, and I resist him with that Love or in that Love, and in Love of satan I want NOTHING to do with him.
This saying of the word determines our attitude as one of God's Love towards his enemies and yours.
Then you don;t stop at satan: you go on to ALL other OPPOSITES or ENEMIES of ALL words!
Guess what?
Cold is enemy to hot, and vice versa.
beauty is foe to ugly.
Weak is adversary to strong.
So now you go for all anto-nyms and contradictions!
Now you are going to renew your whole mind with Love!
Then before you know it, u are just thinking this way at all times with theMind of God & JC IN REGULAR LIVING. Prov 17:17. 2 Corin 10:5. Phil 2:5

For example, in regular living, rather than saying Ihate broccoli, you say that I love it but just don;t wnat to eat it!
In other words, with Love in your mid, your language, HOW you speak begins to auto change to speaking every word in Love. Ephes 4:15.

Then you realise that Satan is NOT your worse enemy!
Guess who is?
YOU are: God's word is simple: One Law of Love! One sin of Hate for any word. So i cd have been doing this all my life!
God is your number 2 enemy!
Satan does not count...when we love him as God commands!

Then all the scripts make sense: as you draw with Love close to God, satan flees. James 4 and 1 peter 5.

Now Satan can not get to you at will since your mind is now padlocked with Love and only u and God have those keys of Love. 2 Tim 2.

Now here's the def of Love that you prolly already figured out:

God loves unconditionally: see matthew 5:43-48.

Therefore God's def of Love is:
Love is unconditional, is unlimited, indefinable and undefinable and
therefore can be defined ONLY in terms of itself:
Love loves or Love is Love,,
OR
can be defined ONLY in terms of EACH PAIR OF OPPOSITE WORDS that are of course loved by Love.

So Love is Love: we can only love by loving or being in an attitude of Love,
or
Love is giving and Love is taking so that Love is both giving and taking and both giving and taking are Love.

If that does not make sense, please ask questions.

Now please see Eccles 3:1-8 for 28 more pairs of opposites that Love is, and acts 20:35 for practice: Question: when it is more blessed for you to give to me, what is it more blessed for me to do...at that very time?

Please ask any and all questions....you have to ask them to prove all of the above to and for yourslef. 1 Thess 5:21

with Love for all words and their opposites,with Hate for no word and with Hate for only the sin of hating any word,
atoz
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steven3 wrote:
cballard wrote:
Atoz, just in regular living, how is it we are supposed to "love" the Devil? Do we invite him and his companions to sup with us? What is your definition of love?
That's a good question

Would it be the same as the Stones' definition?


Particularly seen as Christ did not "love" the devil, but "destroyed" him on the cross:

Hebrews 2:14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,

God bless
S


S3!

Have you ever been mellow, er, ah, I mean, fishing and caught fish you love and came home and killed it in Love, and then cooked it in Love, then destroyed it in Love by eating it in Love, destroying being more like converting it into life for you?smile

JC destroyed the sin of hatred which is what has power of death over Love, when that sin of hate for any words is used or misused, by killing Love for enemies, and so JC established Love for all friends and ENEMIES, which Life of Love means Love for Satan, either as real or as fake.

In the Love that God uses to build as he destroys and to doubly build as he builds and so builds in Love and destroys in Love, and only with Hatred destroys the sin of Hate for any destruction or any building,
atoz

PS:
Psalm 127:1
Except the LORD build the house,
they labour in vain that build it:
except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Atoz, then perhaps could you answer CBallard's question:
cballard wrote:
Atoz, just in regular living, how is it we are supposed to "love" the Devil? Do we invite him and his companions to sup with us? What is your definition of love?

Cheers Smile
S.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steven3 wrote:
Hi Atoz, then perhaps could you answer CBallard's question:
cballard wrote:
Atoz, just in regular living, how is it we are supposed to "love" the Devil? Do we invite him and his companions to sup with us? What is your definition of love?

Cheers Smile
S.


Atoz:

Hi S3,

Please ask any other specific questions that CB didn't ask and I didn't answer.
Merci monsieur.

Also, S3, Maybe I need to emphasize how right you are in that there is NO satan!

Ok?

But we learned of that thru different pathways:
you probably figured out first that there was no satan: so it wd have been quitre normal to conclude that then Satan is the personification of sin and so logically hate sin by that name or word satan.

right?

I figured it out by Love for God as friend and as enemy,
so that I included satan as a being I had to lvoe too, while hating sin as sin, hating sin by that word sin.
see?
So It was quite easy for me to make that differentiation between sin and satan when I later figured out that there was no satan: I wd simply love him as existing and as non-existing...which wd also help me to meet people where they were on that: that Satan does exist as most people think...or as nonexistent when I ran into you.

So to me, it is only a matter of time before you see that tou can love Satan as nonexisting too....just as you love lazarus and the rich man or any other figures in any parables. Then that wd also open up what Paul was saying about idols being nothing: nothing to him but real to others, ...the truth to them....on which reality he then acted in such a way as to not offend.

But even if you never do, that is ok.

For all the while, because in all the mean time, we agree of THE most important thing: Love and Respect of each other.
ok?

God Bless.
avec L&R,
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

satan is not a being you are to love...nor are you to love the satan loving doctrine... Very Happy Very Happy
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ps11:
4The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
5The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

6Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

7For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.

prov6: 1My son, if thou be surety for thy friend, if thou hast stricken thy hand with a stranger,

2Thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth.

3Do this now, my son, and deliver thyself, when thou art come into the hand of thy friend; go, humble thyself, and make sure thy friend.

4Give not sleep to thine eyes, nor slumber to thine eyelids.
5Deliver thyself as a roe from the hand of the hunter, and as a bird from the hand of the fowler.

12A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth.

13He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers;

14Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord.


15Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy.

16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

20My son, keep thy FATHER's commandment, and forsake not the law of thy MOTHER:

21Bind them continually upon thine heart, and tie them about thy neck.

22When thou goest, it shall lead thee; when thou sleepest, it shall keep thee; and when thou awakest, it shall talk with thee.

23For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

24To keep thee from the evil woman, from the flattery of the tongue of a strange woman.

25Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.


26For by means of a whorish woman a man is brought to a piece of bread: and the adultress will hunt for the precious life.

Proverbs 30
1The words of Agur the son of Jakeh, even the prophecy: the man spake unto Ithiel, even unto Ithiel and Ucal,

2Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the understanding of a man.

3I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.

4Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? (rom10)who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

5Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

6Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

7Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die:

8Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:

9Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.

10Accuse not a servant unto his master, lest he curse thee, and thou be found guilty.

11There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.

12There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.

13There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up
.

14There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

15The horseleach hath two daughters, crying, Give, give. There are three things that are never satisfied, yea, four things say not, It is enough:

16The grave; and the barren womb; the earth that is not filled with water; and the fire that saith not, It is enough.
17The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it.
18There be three things which are too wonderful for me, yea, four which I know not:

19The way of an eagle in the air; the way of a serpent upon a rock; the way of a ship in the midst of the sea; and the way of a man with a maid.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lamentations 2
1 How hath the LORD .....

2The LORD hath swallowed up ......

3He hath cut off in his fierce anger .....

4He hath bent his bow like an enemy:
he stood with his right hand as an adversary,

and slew all that were pleasant to the eye in the tabernacle of the daughter of Zion:
he poured out his fury like fire.

5 The LORD was as an enemy:
he hath swallowed up Israel,
he hath swallowed up all her palaces:
he hath destroyed his strong holds, and hath increased in the daughter of Judah mourning and lamentation.

Luke 6:
27 But I say unto you which hear,
Love your enemies,
...

35 But love ye your enemies, .....
and your reward shall be great,
and ye shall be the children of the Highest:
for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

1 Samuel 26:
19Now therefore, I pray thee,
let my lord the king hear the words of his servant.
If the LORD have stirred thee up against me,
let him accept an offering:

but if they be the children of men,
cursed be they before the LORD;
for they have driven me out this day from abiding in the inheritance of the LORD, saying,
Go, serve other gods.

OHMS,
On His Majesty's Service of Godly Unconditional Love
to God as my Friend & as my Enemy
so that any adversary I love is always God for real as Himself or in disguise as the least or as the worst of these,
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gen4:7If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
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eze6:Ezekiel 35
1Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2Son of man, set thy face against mount Seir, and prophesy against it,

3And say unto it, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O mount Seir, I am against thee, and I will stretch out mine hand against thee, and I will make thee most desolate.

4I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate, and thou shalt know that I am the LORD.

5Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:

6Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith, thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee.

7Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth.

8And I will fill his mountains with his slain men: in thy hills, and in thy valleys, and in all thy rivers, shall they fall that are slain with the sword.

9I will make thee perpetual desolations, and thy cities shall not return: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

10Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there:

11Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will even do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I have judged thee.

12And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.

13Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.

14Thus saith the Lord GOD; When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate.

15As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
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