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atoz
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 Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: What do we do when The Lord sends an evil spirit on us? |
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Do we love it...and chase it away with perfect Love .... so that it stays away permanently,....
1 John 4:
18 ...but perfect love casteth out fear:
because fear hath torment.
He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Music, being just one word, is only ONE food of Love.
Therefore,
Love for music not only chases all evil spirits away,
but also all evil spirits flee away before The Music of Love.
Of course, when we love all words,
all words are like fish captured in the Draw-net of Love, and so brought into the captivity of Christ, 2 Cor 10:5,
and all our words are foods for Love and Love-food,
and so
The Music of Love prevents and would prevent and will prevent any evil spirit or evil spirits from the Lord from even coming up to bat, much less getting to first base.
"Give me some music;
music, moody food
Of us that trade in love."
Shakespeare.
"If music be the food of love, play on;
Give me excess of it, ...
O spirit of Love! how quick and fresh art thou,
That, notwithstanding thy capacity
Receiveth as the sea, nought enters there,
Of what validity and pitch soe'er,
But falls into abatement and low price,
Even in a minute: so full of shapes is [Love]
That it alone is high fantastical."
Shakespeare
Or,
do we hate an evil spirit for the Lord, ....and chase it away with Hate .... so that it comes back even more evil than before ...and so that our last state is worse than our first state?
I Samuel 16:
14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul,
and
an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
15And Saul's servants said unto him,
Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.
16Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee,
to seek out a man,
who is a cunning player on an harp[a musician]:
and it shall come to pass,
when the evil spirit from God is upon thee,
that he shall play [the music] with his hand,
and thou shalt be well.[b]
17And Saul said unto his servants,
Provide me now [b]a man that can play well,
and bring him to me.
23 And it came to pass,
when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul,
that David took an harp, and played with his hand:
so Saul was refreshed, and was well,
and the evil spirit departed from him.
But when the Love-music stopped,
Saul's Love stopped,
and the evil spirit from the Lord again came back and took over:
1 Samuel 18:
9And Saul eyed David from that day and forward.
10And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house:
and David played with his hand, as at other times:
and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.
11And Saul cast the javelin; for he said,
I will smite David even to the wall with it.
And David [a man after God's own heart of perfect Love: 1 Sam 16:7] avoided out of his presence twice.
Proverbs 16
1The preparations of the heart in man,
and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.
2All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes;
but the LORD weigheth the spirits.
3Commit thy works unto the LORD,
and thy thoughts shall be established.
4The LORD hath made all things for himself:
yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
7When a man's ways please the LORD,
he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.
"Doubt thou the stars are fire;
Doubt that the sun doth move;
Doubt truth to be a liar;
But never doubt I Love."
Shakespeare
Hoping that all minds are permanently tuned in to the XM Music of God's Perfect Love,
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holly102869
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atoz,
Thank you
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Steven3
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: What do we do when The Lord sends an evil spirit on us? |
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Hi Atoz
The difference between the language/background in OT-times (at least pre-exilic), and post-exilic NT times was that there was no theology of "evil spirits" among the Jews.
So what you have in the three OT examples
1. Saul's mental illness,
2. the discord between Abimelech and the leaders of Shechem,
3. Micaiah's ironic "vision" of a lying spirit in the mouth of Zedekiah and the other yes-men 1Kings22:22
Judges 9:23 And God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the leaders of Shechem, and the leaders of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech,
This word "spirit" RUAKH does not require, in the OT, God to be sending literal invisible beasties into Saul or between Abimelech and the leaders of Shechem, though it does in Micaiah's ironic "vision".
So the OT really doesn't have "demons" as the NT does. For two reasons.
 1. The Jews brought back a lot of bad ideas from Babylon. And the NT is more journalistic about such things than the OT.
2. The NT is more dualist than the OT. i.e. There's a battle between light and dark in the NT that doesn't exist in the OT. Why? Because in the OT it couldn't, you can't have Darkness until Light has come. The devil is a byproduct of Christ's triumph over sin. That's why he doesn't pre-exist in the OT, except a few types, symbols and shadows, any more than Jesus of Nazareth did.
So this thing you have - about loving fallen angels and their demon progeny - is meaningless, because you're loving symbols that don't exist. You might as well "love" Mammon, or "love" Lex Luthor.
Atoz, You want to believe that God is a loving God? Good!! , then believe that He's not going send the rats from his house into ours. God does not tempt with evil (James 1) nor does he allow literal angels who don't belong to the "all" in Heb.1:14.
Take care
Steven
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atoz
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| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: What do we do when The Lord sends an evil spirit on us? |
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| Steven3 wrote: |
Hi Atoz
So this thing you have - about loving fallen angels and their demon progeny - is meaningless, because you're loving symbols that don't exist. You might as well "love" Mammon, or "love" Lex Luthor.
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Thanx, S3.
But the word 'word' is a symbol of the word 'word,' and the word 'symbol' is a symbol of the word 'symbol,' so that what DOES exist are the words as symbols for things that do exist and do not exist!smile
Isn't that awesome?
That means that words and the inner reality which works by words are MORE real that any outer reality they describe or can describe!
That's why God and JC are The Word!
So, of course, we have a symbol for what does not exist or for no thing, and for what has no meaning: the wordsymbols are the words 'nothing' and the word 'meaningless.'
Which means that we have MORE words than there are things!
So that is why the word 'word' is a symbol of God & JC, John 1:1 and 14,
who love Themselves as all words
so that any word we love, we also loveTHEM as that word,
and so that any word we hate, we also hate THEM as that word!
See?
That's why Matt 12:43-37 and 25:35-45:
by the words we love, we are justified,
and by the words we hate we are condemned,
and inasmuch as we love any word we love God & JC, and inasmuch as we hate any word, we hate God and JC!
God made everything out of Himself and out of nothing:
so God is The Nothing out of which everything comes;
and so nothing is the something that God loves Himself as, and is the zero or nought that God loves in math!
Did you see or hear of THE NEVER-ENDING STORY? There was a Nothing!smile
So you do have to love the words Mammon, Luke 16:9, Proverbs 17:17,
and love Lex Luthor and nobody and nothing and nosound and silence, and nodesription and indescribable, and noword and wordless or speechless, and no one and none.
See the trick?
God is using words as symbols of Himself so that literally and figuratively he is in our minds and mouths at all times so that we are loving and hating him when we love or hate any words, and so that we can only love God all the way when we love all words!
in the Love that makes everything out of nothing and makes nothing out of everything,
atoz
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atoz
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| Steven3 wrote: |
Atoz, You want to believe that God is a loving God? Good!! , then believe that He's not going send the rats from his house into ours. God does not tempt with evil (James 1) nor does he allow literal angels who don't belong to the "all" in Heb.1:14.
Take care
Steven
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Thanx, S3, for the en-coeur-agement, couer standing for heart, heart standing for Love and meaning enLoveagement or enlightenment or en-theos-ment or enthusement!smile
If I take literally what you said about God not tempting with evil, then I wd have a problem with Genesis 22.
But,
God,
being an unconditional Lover of Himself as both good & evil, and as both tested and tempted, and as both tester and tempter,Matthew 5:44-45,
always tests & tempts with the good of Love[b] for good and evil, tested/tester, tempter/tempted, all words,
and
[b]never tests nor tempts with the evil of Hate forneither good nor evil nor tester nor tempter not tested nor tempted nor any word.
So God generally uses 'test' or 'try' to mean to tempt with Love,
and
'tempt' to mean to test with Hate when referring to man but always does in Love whatever word He chooses: He tests or tries or tempts in Love.
So true enough,
God with Love tested or tempted Abraham the evil of killing Isaac, which evil test or evil temptation Abe took in good Love, which good Love meant that Abe passed the test or the temptation even before he passed it!smile
Genesis 22
1And it came to pass after these things, that God [did tempt[/b] Abraham,
and said unto him,
Abraham:
and he said,
Behold, here I am.
2And he said,
Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah;
and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
3And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.
Plus, many are the evil afflictions of the righteous.
Psalm 34:
17The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.
18The LORD
is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart;
and
saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
19Many are the afflictions of the righteous:
but the LORD delivereth him out of them ]all.[/
20He keepeth [b]all his bones: not one of them is broken.
21Evil shall slay the wicked:
and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate.
Plus,
2 Tim 3:
11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
Plus,
Hebrews 12:
5And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children,
My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Plus,
1 Peter 4:
8And above all things have fervent [Love] among yourselves: for [ Love] shall cover the multitude of sins.
12Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try[test, tempt] you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
14If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us,
what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
in the Love that makes 'star' out of 'rats' and 'straw' out of 'warts',
atoz
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: What do we do when The Lord sends an evil spirit on us? |
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[quote="atoz"] | Quote: | Do we love it...and chase it away with perfect Love .... so that it stays away permanently,....
1 John 4:
18 ...but perfect love casteth out fear:
because fear hath torment.
He that feareth is not made perfect in love. |
already had been placed on proper order...now you are in denial...
| Quote: | Music, being just one word, is only ONE food of Love.
Therefore,
Love for music not only chases all evil spirits away,
but also all evil spirits flee away before The Music of Love. |
yes...but you see....you are wrong about them staying away by music....oh no sir...like saul...it drives them away...but they come back...and bring more with them...there is only one thing that can make it stay away... ...
| Quote: | Of course, when we love all words,
all words are like fish captured in the Draw-net of Love, and so brought into the captivity of Christ, 2 Cor 10:5,
and all our words are foods for Love and Love-food,
and so
The Music of Love prevents and would prevent and will prevent any evil spirit or evil spirits from the Lord from even coming up to bat, much less getting to first base.
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oh it only drives it away sir...read saul story...that will not keep it away....it will come back each time worse...just look at how saul grew wrose and worse...not better and better...) ...
| Quote: | "Give me some music;
music, moody food
Of us that trade in love."
Shakespeare. |
| Quote: | "If music be the food of love, play on;
Give me excess of it, ...
O spirit of Love! how quick and fresh art thou,
That, notwithstanding thy capacity
Receiveth as the sea, nought enters there,
Of what validity and pitch soe'er,
But falls into abatement and low price,
Even in a minute: so full of shapes is [Love]
That it alone is high fantastical."
Shakespeare |
[ | Quote: | b]Or[/b],
do we hate an evil spirit for the Lord, ....and chase it away with Hate .... so that it comes back even more evil than before ...and so that our last state is worse than our first state? |
oh hate can't chase anything aeway sir...once again you struggle with understanding...
| Quote: | I Samuel 16:
14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul,
and
an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
15And Saul's servants said unto him,
Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.
16Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee,
to seek out a man,
who is a cunning player on an harp[a musician]:
and it shall come to pass,
when the evil spirit from God is upon thee,
that he shall play [the music] with his hand,
and thou shalt be well.[b]
17And Saul said unto his servants,
Provide me now [b]a man that can play well,
and bring him to me.
23 And it came to pass,
when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul,
that David took an harp, and played with his hand:
so Saul was refreshed, and was well,
and the evil spirit departed from him.
But when the Love-music stopped,
Saul's Love stopped,
and the evil spirit from the Lord again came back and took over:
1 Samuel 18:
9And Saul eyed David from that day and forward.
10And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house:
and David played with his hand, as at other times:
and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.
11And Saul cast the javelin; for he said,
I will smite David even to the wall with it.
And David [a man after God's own heart of perfect Love: 1 Sam 16:7] avoided out of his presence twice.
Proverbs 16
1The preparations of the heart in man,
and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.
2All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes;
but the LORD weigheth the spirits.
3Commit thy works unto the LORD,
and thy thoughts shall be established.
4The LORD hath made all things for himself:
yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
7When a man's ways please the LORD,
he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him. |
see?...you yourself show music only treats the symtoms...it does not provide the cure...nice proverb and parable sir...but though it only left for a season as you have written...it came back so powrful even music could not stop it...be careful sir... 
" | Quote: | Doubt thou the stars are fire;
Doubt that the sun doth move;
Doubt truth to be a liar;
But never doubt I Love."
Shakespeare |
| Quote: | Hoping that all minds are permanently tuned in to the XM Music of God's Perfect Love,
atoz |
here you go friend...here is the secret...i can't stand to see you wallow so...  ...
Proverbs 26
1As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, so honour is not seemly for a fool.
2As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come. (only the causely one sir....so if one is bugging you...that prolly means you need to apologizie to someone....for in such a case you brought it on yourself,...some act of treachery or betrayal maybe?...those are actions of hate sir, but, whatever it is...
matt5:22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.......(only you can answer if that is your case atoz...only you... .)...
prov26:3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.
4Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
5Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
6He that sendeth a message by the hand of a fool cutteth off the feet, and drinketh damage.
| Quote: | | 7The legs of the lame are not equal: so is a parable in the mouth of fools. |
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lk 10:17And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
19Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
20Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
21In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. |
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cballard
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| This is an interesting discussion. I think the real queston is... does God ever unite with iniquity? Aztoz calls it love vs. hate. I think both Astoz and theseldomescene agree that hate doesn't chase away evil spirits. But the question remains, does God ever unite with inequity? I say no, and that's where free will comes in. He places good and evil before us, in other words, allows evil to tempt us, but God never unites with it. Mankind gets to make that choice to unite with evil or not. But that doesn't erase the divide between good and evil that sometimes Aztoz sounds like he's saying. Just my two cents worth. |
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atoz
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: What do we do when The Lord sends an evil spirit on us? |
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| theseldomscene wrote: |
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lk 10:17And the seventy returned again with joy,
saying,
Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18And he said unto them,
..... 20Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you;...
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atoz: Thank you in Love for quoting that, TSS...which only proves AGAIN that God also includes Satan and demons in the category of enemies God loves, and that JC loves satan and his demons!
Are you beginning to see that anywhere you turn, you run into and you can't run from Love of enemies nor from God who is Love for his enemies?
Sad in Love for you in one way! 
Glad in Love for you in another way: it may lead to the enlargement of God's Love in you for yourself as your own worse enemy and your own best friend.
How does your quote prove that JC loves Satan and his demons as well as Michael and the good angels?
Only Satanic Haters of their enemies rejoice and take pleasure when their wicked enemies get hurt or get cast out!
Only Godly Lovers of their enemies are sad and take no pleasure at the casting out or hurt of wicked enemies!
See the difference of emotion that Love or Hate produces automatically?
Proverbs 24:
17Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth,
and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth:
Ezekiel 18:23
23Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD:
and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
32For I have *NO* pleasure in the death of him that dieth,
saith the Lord GOD:
wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
So clearly JC was saying that it is because we are to love Satan & demons that we are NOT to rejoice when we kick or cast them out due to them being under our subjection!
Any one reading this in a fair and balanced way can come to only that one conclusion.
qed.
So, Tss, rather than spending all your time or lots of it trying to argue with me, how about asking God to help you accept God's words?
I wd advise you to prayerfully study any of God's words on satan and demons before quoting them...since you do so only to your own embarrassment, at which, in genuine Love & Respect for you, I take no pleasure.
Hang in there in prayer and study...in Love, mon ami.
with Love for friends and enemies of all types,
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atoz
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| cballard wrote: | | This is an interesting discussion. I think the real queston is... does God ever unite with iniquity? Aztoz calls it love vs. hate. I think both Astoz and theseldomescene agree that hate doesn't chase away evil spirits. But the question remains, does God ever unite with inequity? I say no, and that's where free will comes in. He places good and evil before us, in other words, allows evil to tempt us, but God never unites with it. Mankind gets to make that choice to unite with evil or not. But that doesn't erase the divide between good and evil that sometimes Aztoz sounds like he's saying. Just my two cents worth. |
Hi CB!
Yes: only Love chases away evil spirits of the Hatred!
Now also:
God never hates any words and always loves all words and so never unites with the sin of the evil of hatred for any word person place or thing.
But since His law is all about Love, and sin is the breaking of that Love,
like any good product-tester,
God has to test our Love for Him by seeing if we can withstand, stand against the sin of hating Him: so he comes in the disguises of all words to see WHICH STRANGE WORD we are going to hate Him as!
Read it for yourself:
Hebrews 13
1Let brotherly love continue.
2 Be not forgetful to ENTERTAIN STRANGERS:
for thereby some have ENTERTAINED ANGELS UNAWARES.
Isaiah 45:
7I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Deuteronomy 32: 39See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal:
neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Ezekiel 23:
28For thus saith the Lord GOD;
Behold, I will deliver thee into the hand of them whom thou hatest, into the hand of them from whom thy mind is alienated:
Job 42:
11Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
If we hate any word or name, He knows our Love is not yet ready: it has to go back for more baking in the oven.
If we hate no words and love all words, He knows our Love is ready.
Please read matthew 25:35-45.
Here is the test to Peter and to us:
John 21:
15So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
16He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
17He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
1 John 4:
20If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1 Peter 4:
8And above all things have fervent [Love] among yourselves: for [Love] shall cover the multitude of sins.
12Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
13But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
14If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
15But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
19Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
with Godly Love and R,
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: What do we do when The Lord sends an evil spirit on us? |
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| atoz wrote: | | theseldomscene wrote: |
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lk 10:17And the seventy returned again with joy,
saying,
Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
18And he said unto them,
..... 20Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you;...
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atoz: Thank you in Love for quoting that, TSS...which only proves AGAIN that God also includes Satan and demons in the category of enemies God loves, and that JC loves satan and his demons! |
please point out where JESUS said this... ...
| Quote: | | Are you beginning to see that anywhere you turn, you run into and you can't run from Love of enemies nor from God who is Love for his enemies? |
oh yes sir...all the enemies in the flesh...as the story shows...
| Quote: | | Glad in Love for you in another way: it may lead to the enlargement of God's Love in you for yourself as your own worse enemy and your own best friend. |
please sir...i will take this as a sign you have nothing to prove your babblings with and thus must lower yourself to try and debate the poster...sad...that is not love for yourself atoz...thatis discounting yourself and showing you hate you sir...sad...i will pray for you...
| Quote: | How does your quote prove that JC loves Satan and his demons as well as Michael and the good angels?
Only Satanic Haters of their enemies rejoice and take pleasure when their wicked enemies get hurt or get cast out! |
correct...those that hate satan love it when he is cast out of people and they are free from him...
| Quote: | | b]Only Godly Lovers of their enemies are sad and take no pleasure at the casting out or hurt of wicked enemies![/b] |
oh no sir...JESUS rejoiced that the disciples were kicking demon butt and freeing floks of folks..in love for the people..not hte demons...
| Quote: | | See the difference of emotion that Love or Hate produces automatically? |
lets look and see if this even helps you at all..
| Quote: | Proverbs 24:
17Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth,
and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: |
please read the rest of the proverb...that is not all of it...i taught you this one long ago...
prov.18 lest the LORD see it, and it displease HIM, and HE turn away HIS wrath from him...
do you see what that is saying sir?...if you want them restored...laugh at them... ...if not...keep silent... ...have you learned yet?......
see?...
| Quote: | Ezekiel 18:23
23Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD:
and not that he should return from his ways, and live? |
| Quote: | 32For I have *NO* pleasure in the death of him that dieth,
saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
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context....context....context....speaking of israel(vs25 and many others beofre and after in that chapter)...
| Quote: | | So clearly JC was saying that it is because we are to love Satan & demons that we are NOT to rejoice when we kick or cast them out due to them being under our subjection! |
no sir...the context of proverbs shows it meanings...and they don't say what you say they are saying...clearly...as has been shown completely...sir... this is too easy...
| Quote: | | Any one reading this in a fair and balanced way can come to only that one conclusion. |
oh no sir...there you are wrong again...for you willbe surprised what fair and balanced people can come away with...silly things like trying to build a doctrine of satan love... ...as has been shown here to have no standing in scripture...
| Quote: | | So, Tss, rather than spending all your time or lots of it trying to argue with me, how about asking God to help you accept God's words? |
ok>>>now you try... ...and try reading them all the way through beofre quoting them and showing you are unread...you see sir or maam or both...
it takes more than a concordance ...to run around find matching words...that is fun and all...but without proper context we end up with such false hoods and out of context teaching as the satan living doctrine holds...
| Quote: | | I wd advise you to prayerfully study any of God's words on satan and demons before quoting them...since you do so only to your own embarrassment, at which, in genuine Love & Respect for you, I take no pleasure. |
really...i am having a blast...
| Quote: | | Hang in there in prayer and study...in Love,. |
ok...first thing you said that is actual good...please try to yourself for a change sir...then you would not be so firm in error... ...
...this is great stuff... ... |
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Steven3
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:23 am Post subject: Re: What do we do when The Lord sends an evil spirit on us? |
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Hi Atoz
Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."
John 12:25 Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
| atoz wrote: | | So you do have to love the words Mammon |
I don't think we're being asked to "love", "hate" or have any particular feeling about words per se. When we're asked not to serve "Mammon" it is a symbol for Money. Likewise Satan is a symbol for the evil that is in men and the world. There's no Bible verse that tells us to love the evil that is in men and the world.
God does not want us to love cruelty, love injustice, love lies, or love any other sin. Satan as a personfication of those sins (unless you know of proof that there really exists a fallan angel and there is no symbolism involved) does also not require our love.
Yours, in hate (of sin)
Steven
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Ro6:10 the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:48 am Post subject: Re: What do we do when The Lord sends an evil spirit on us? |
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| Steven3 wrote: |
Hi Atoz
Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."
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Atoz, Hi S3, that means if any one does not love less by comparison in Love to God his parents, etc.
When we put God first and put our parents last it looks as if we love God more and love our parents less, which love less looks like Hate and so God calls it so! Romans 4:17.
You are not saying that God is saying that we shd hate or disrespect our parents, right?
So I am sure that yu can figure out :
John 12:25 Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
It is just like when God says he hates esau and loves jacob!
Do you see how God's word can be twisted to justify hating others...IF the persons are not hewing to the line of Love?
It is also because people hate aliens like satan and his demons that some of us still dehumanize other humans in order to despise them: so we call them subhuman, blacks are only part human, whites are children of the devil, etc in order to hate them using God's own words to justify our sin of hatred a la paul when he was hating and killing xtians and using God's word to justify it and no doubt saying that God hated those xtians: no wonder he himself says that he was guilty of blasphemy: which is to accuse God of hating any one!
Rest later.
with Love and R,
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| Steven3 wrote: |
Hi Atoz
I don't think we're being asked to "love", "hate" or have any particular feeling about words per se. When we're asked not to serve "Mammon" it is a symbol for Money. Likewise Satan is a symbol for the evil that is in men and the world. ...
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Atoz:
S3,
if that were the case, and we are to hate Satan as sin, then when God considered JC as sin, that wd mean that God hated Jc and we shd too!????
see?
2 Cor 5:
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
So too when God personifies Satan as sin, God means for us to separate out the evil of the sin of Hate from the person or being!
see?
As per proverbs 6:16-19!
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... There's no Bible verse that tells us to love the evil that is in men and the world.
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atoz: Of course not: we are to hate the evil of the sin of hate for anyone in men and in the world while loving the men and the world as per john 3:16.
This is why it is called rightly dividing God's word!
Do you love division and multiplication and dividers and multipliers and pliers as in the tool?smile
| Steven3 wrote: |
God does not want us to love cruelty, love injustice, love lies, or love any other sin. Satan as a personfication of those sins (unless you know of proof that there really exists a fallan angel and there is no symbolism involved) does also not require our love.
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atoz: you again have to rightly divide the evil of the sin of Hate from all words that already have the emotional attachment of Hate already in them.... such as:
murder is to kill in Hate;
murderer is killer in hate.
God kills in Love and so is a killer who looks like a murderer murdering. Deut 32:39
So we can't hate murderers who kill with Hate without also hating God as a killer who kills with Love! 1 John 4:20
see?
This is why the word Love is sharper than any surgeon's scalpel cd ever be! Heb 4:12
Do you love or hate anger? see ephes 4:26.
The sin is not in the anger of itself nor is the sin the anger itself nor the angry person: the sin is in the evil of the sin of hate IN the anger IN the angry man. Mark 7:21-23.
It is that Hate that produces anger without cause as per matthew 5:21-22.
Have you ever visited a prison as in Prison Ministry?
Who do you find in there?
Good guys or bad guys?
So how does JC see Himself as the least of these?
How do you see JC in the least of these murderers and thieves and whores and demon-possessed people and etc?
Please see matthew 25:35-45.
| Steven3 wrote: |
Yours, in hate (of sin)
Steven
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atoz: xlnt!
Yours in Love of all words
and in Hate of the sin of hating any word,
atoz |
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Hi Atoz | atoz wrote: | | Steven3 wrote: | Likewise Satan is a symbol for the evil that is in men and the world. ...
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if that were the case, and we are to hate Satan as sin, then when God considered JC as sin, that wd mean that God hated Jc and we shd too!? |
The difference is that Christ didn't sin.
2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Satan however is sin, or at least a symbol personification of sin and temptation.
btw - I have no objection to prison ministry, the opposite, but there's no need to have a ministry to fallen angels, that's all, they don't really exist. Hence no need to love Satan, he doesn't exist.
God bless
Steven
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Ro6:10 the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.
2Co13:4 he was crucified in weakness, but lives by the power of God. |
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IN LOVE WE MUST HATE THE ARMINIAN DOCTRINE....and LOVE the arminian...somehow... ..
(with GOD all things are possible!!!)... |
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