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Nobby
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Yes been removed! Although I don't know why he was deleted & not just banned!  |
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ChristianWoman1
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:42 am Post subject: Re: Words should be chosen carefuly |
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| Key of Twilight wrote: | "Def: Oxymoronic: Being Gay and A Child of Christ"
This is a very hurtful and inaccurate statement. Regardless of your position on whether or not homosexuality is a sin, most everyone who considers homosexuality a sin is in agreement that the sin is in the act not in the orientation.
So, saying that just being gay means you cannot be a child of Christ is a detestable thing to say. You cannot assume that all people with a homosexual orientation are out acting on their urges. I myself am celibate, so your misuse of words says to me regardless of my abstinence I will not be welcomed into the kingdom of Heaven.
Imagine what a statement like that would do to a gay child far from the age of even thinking about sex. You would be telling them that "You are broken, God does not love you, God Hates you, and you are going to burn in the fires of Hell for eternity." It only takes an impressionable child hearing this once to destroy them psychologically and spiritually through very important developmental years when they should be growing closer to Christ not running in fear away from Him. If this happened for real would you not be a sower of bad seeds?
As a Christian I am sure this was not your intention, and I am not trying to "call you out" over this, but please consider a little more prudence in your choice of words in the future. I understand what you were trying to say, but just like everything else it can be taken in whatever context the person reads it. |
AMEN!!!!  you have really voiced yourself well...and like I said to you in the other thread, I truely appriciate your thoughts. You have said this exactly right IMHO.
I admire your strength, God bless you! |
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Evee
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd like to 2nd CW1's post, Key. I admire your strength as well. May I ask how old you are? My younger sister was celibate until she met her partner at 26 years old. She was able to wait until she was in love. She was proud to wear that V card. |
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Key of Twilight
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Evee wrote: | | I'd like to 2nd CW1's post, Key. I admire your strength as well. May I ask how old you are? My younger sister was celibate until she met her partner at 26 years old. She was able to wait until she was in love. She was proud to wear that V card. |
Well I make no claim to the V card for i was a very rebellious against God for many many years, buy I am twenty years old. I do not know that I will be celibate forever, but I think it is what is right for the time being until I grow closer to God and know how he wants me to serve him  |
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Evee
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: |
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To go along w/what I said in the other thread, I think we need to have clearer terms on what is the actual "sin" that people talk about. Is it the homosexuality? No, it's the fornication. Homosexual is part of who people are. The same can be said of heterosexuals. Heterosexual is just part of me. I have many other aspects to myself. So I propose when we talk of homosexuality, it is understood or even stated that fornication is what others think the sin is.
There is no sin in "being" homosexual. |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| By george, I think she's got it! |
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Evee
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | By george, I think she's got it! |
JP, I think where we disagree is in should homosexuals be allowed to marry. What I would like to see is more people call fornication the sin & not homosexuality. Does that make sense?
Of course you know my thoughts. Being allowed to marry would take away that sin. But, that's for a different thread. |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Evee, we agree to a point. However, simply changing God's design of holy matrimony doesn't change the fact that sexual relations between same sex couples is considered an abomination.
Nor do we have any scriptural support, or permission, to change the things that God designed and ordained.
As I said, civil unions give homosexual couples the same rights and privileges of married heterosexual couples, but that does not change things in the eyes of God. |
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summertime
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Def: Oxymoronic: Being Gay and A Child of Christ |
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Being gay and a child of Chist is only an oxymoron to those who believe it to be such. It is a matter of belief. And as some of us know, we all do not believe the exact same thing.
| Quote: | "StElsewhere"]Definition: Child of Christ
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. |
I believe that gay people are the children of God and any opposition to them as such is a work of iniquity. Imagine how God feels seeing his children being treated as they have been up to this day by those who believe gays are not children of God.
| Quote: | And the will of the Father is:
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy |
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I believe what is considered holy for one individual may not be considered holy for the next. I also believe another will of God is to love thy neighbor as thy self, which speaks volumes if you really think about it's meaning and implications.
| Quote: | Definition: Gay
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them. |
Interesting that you define "gay" as being referred to in these texts. Being gay means that the individual is attracted sexually and is relationship oriented towards persons of the same gender. It means they fall in love with their gender, though, like straight people, the love part does not always happen. To imply that gay people are being referenced in the above texts clearly shows that you have no concern for the contexts of the texts in question. Nor any concern for the definition, in this context, for the term "abomination".
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Translation (based on the context and definition of "abomination":
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is idolatry.
The defintion of "abomination" pretty much takes care of the context as well: idolatry.
| Quote: | | 1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, |
What in this verse causes you to believe it speaks of homosexuals. The obvious would be "effeminate". However, "effeminate" can can refer to homosexual males or heterosexual males. To which would it be speaking of? A lot of straight males have feminine characteristics, so....Ofcourse, that definition is our modern day one. We should not be concerned about how "effeminate is defined in 2008. How was it defined during the time it was written in this verse? That's the question. |
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FFT
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Def: Oxymoronic: Being Gay and A Child of Christ |
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| summertime wrote: | | What in this verse causes you to believe it speaks of homosexuals. The obvious would be "effeminate". However, "effeminate" can can refer to homosexual males or heterosexual males. To which would it be speaking of? A lot of straight males have feminine characteristics, so....Ofcourse, that definition is our modern day one. We should not be concerned about how "effeminate is defined in 2008. How was it defined during the time it was written in this verse? That's the question. |
"Soft" or "weak" with no connotation of femininity. Translated properly it would seem to refer to those weak in faith. |
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summertime
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Def: Oxymoronic: Being Gay and A Child of Christ |
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| FFT wrote: | | summertime wrote: | | What in this verse causes you to believe it speaks of homosexuals. The obvious would be "effeminate". However, "effeminate" can can refer to homosexual males or heterosexual males. To which would it be speaking of? A lot of straight males have feminine characteristics, so....Ofcourse, that definition is our modern day one. We should not be concerned about how "effeminate is defined in 2008. How was it defined during the time it was written in this verse? That's the question. |
"Soft" or "weak" with no connotation of femininity. Translated properly it would seem to refer to those weak in faith. |
I found an interesting thing on that, FFT. If I can find it, I will share. |
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