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theseldomscene
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 Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: salt loss... |
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by: revjp...
Luke 14:34-35 AMP Salt is good [an excellent thing], but if salt has lost its strength and has become saltless (insipid, flat), how shall its saltness be restored? (35) It is fit neither for the land nor for the manure heap; men throw it away. He who has ears to hear, let him listen and consider and comprehend by hearing!
The Living Bible gives a modern slant to Jesus’ warning:
“What good is salt that has lost its saltiness? Flavorless salt is fit for nothing - not even for fertilizer. It is worthless and must be thrown out. Listen well if you would understand my meaning.”
It may sound unusual to read of salt losing its saltiness, yet salt has different grades of quality and purity. Even today, only the highest grade of salt reaches the dining table. Most poorer grades of salt are used in industrial processes.
In ancient times, salt was rarely pure. During Biblical times, most salt in Israel came from the Dead Sea and was often mixed with impurities, making the salt less salty. There were also conditions in which salt could be leached out or made less effective, through exposure to water, air, excessive sunlight or even other chemicals. The Victor Bible Background Commentary informs us:
“In Israel salt was mined from a great ledge of rock salt lying near the Dead Sea and evaporated from that Sea’s waters. The rock salt deteriorated in high temperatures, and moisture could leach the salt from the rock. Thus this important product could lose its saltiness - and become absolutely worthless.“
In a similar vein, “flakes of salt form on the rock shores of the Dead Sea at night. In the morning the sun rises. Under its heat the salt loses is saltiness. It blends with the shore and loses its distinctiveness.”
To illustrate this leaching process, Marvin Vincent quotes the following story:
“A merchant of Sidon, having farmed of the government the revenue from the importation of salt, brought over a great quantity from the marshes of Cyprus - enough, in fact, to supply the whole province for many years. This he had transferred to the mountains, to cheat the government out of some small percentage of duty. Sixty-five houses were rented and filled with salt. Such houses have merely earthen floors, and the salt next the ground was in a few years entirely spoiled. [L]arge quantities of it [were] literally thrown into the road to be trodden under foot of men and beasts. It was ‘good for nothing.”
Salt can lose its saltiness if it is adulterated with inferior substances. In the same way, your distinctiveness as a follower of Jesus can be watered down if you mix a biblical lifestyle with the world’s lifestyle. |
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atoz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:54 am Post subject: Re: salt loss... |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | by: revjp...
Salt can lose its saltiness if it is adulterated with inferior substances. In the same way, your distinctiveness as a follower of Jesus can be watered down if you mix a biblical lifestyle with the world’s lifestyle. |
Hi TSS,
Thanx for this.
I hope we can be friends.smile
Sorry in Love and I apologise in Love for any hurts I caused.
Comment:
As with salt when it is adulterated with inferior substances loses its flavor,
so too Love, of which salt is a symbol, when it is adulterated by Hate, loses its flavour and loses its ability to season all things.
Colossians 4:6
Let your speech be always with grace [of Love],
seasoned with [the] salt of Love, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man [is in Love].
in the Love that seasons all seasons and all foods and all of everything, and is for all seasons and for all persons,
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apocatastasis
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| I'm glad to see that you gave the source for the article. If only the author of the article would extend the same courtesy to the authors of the CARM articles that he habitually parrots. |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: salt loss... |
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[quote="atoz | Quote: | "] | theseldomscene wrote: | by: revjp...
Salt can lose its saltiness if it is adulterated with inferior substances. In the same way, your distinctiveness as a follower of Jesus can be watered down if you mix a biblical lifestyle with the world’s lifestyle. |
Hi TSS,
Thanx for this.
I hope we can be friends.smile
Sorry in Love and I apologise in Love for any hurts I caused. |
what?...you have never hurt me friend...not at all...just because i expose your doctrine as false when ou love the devil and proved that it is indeed the doctrine of satan....is no reason to think you hurt me sir...
it did not hurt me to do so...for i felt it necessary...in love...to show what you were saying as the man made fanatasy it is...  ...
i am not mad at you atoz...nor do i have any grudge against you ...sir or ma'am... ....
i just know you are wrong and will...as i feel inclined...point it out...thanks for the concern though...and i hope i have not hurt you either and am sorry if i have...love...tss... |
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atoz
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: salt loss... |
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Just saw this!
| theseldomscene wrote: |
what?...you have never hurt me friend...not at all...just because i expose your doctrine as false when ou love the devil and proved that it is indeed the doctrine of satan....is no reason to think you hurt me sir...
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atoz: well, good!
Glad I did not hurt you and you call me friend!
I just apologize in Love for any hurt of not hurting you then!smile
| theseldomscene wrote: |
it did not hurt me to do so...for i felt it necessary...in love...to show what you were saying as the man made fanatasy it is... ...
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atoz: So good came out of it: you did what you thought was necessary in necessary Love!big 
| theseldomscene wrote: |
i am not mad at you atoz...nor do i have any grudge against you ...sir or ma'am... ....
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atoz: Good, and you did all those 2 things in Love! Double good! smile
| theseldomscene wrote: |
i just know you are wrong and will...as i feel inclined...point it out...thanks for the concern though...and i hope i have not hurt you either and am sorry if i have...love...tss... |
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atoz: Fine! And whenever you feel inclined in Love, please point it out in Love, and I will take it in Love, and so in Love all will be well that begins bad or well!smile
And of course, I will in Love return the compliments as I feel inclined!big smile
And amazingly, you did not hurt me either since I had Love as my Force-Field Shield of Faith!smile
But I do accept in Love your apologies in Love for the hurt you caused by causing no hurt!smile
In the Fantasy of God's Fantastic Love that makes
en-amours of en-emies, composites of opposites,
makes Gentiles gentle and makes Jews dew, Ps 110:1
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| atoz, do you have a code key or something I can use so I can decipher your posts? |
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atoz
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | atoz, do you have a code key or something I can use so I can decipher your posts? |
atoz: Rev! Thanx for asking!
Here is the key:
Rev 3:
7And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy,
he that is true,
he that hath the key of David,
he that openeth, and no man shutteth;
and shutteth, and no man openeth;
The name David meaning Love,
the Key of David is the key of Love.
Therefore, the Code-key is Love.
That Love-key is what I use to decipher God's word which is written in the Key of Love.
I better stop there before you think I am more undecipherable that you thought I was before!smile
Question to help you:
Have you ever looked on
the Bible as a code
or as written in a code,
so that no one could understand it unless he or she had the code-key?
Now since God is Love and his First law is Love,
how do you think he writes,
or speaks,
and in what attitude or spirit would he write his Word?
So suppose I did not have whatever the code was, and you had it, who wd be able to really understand what was hidden deep under the literal words or letter of the words?
You or I?
You've read this before:
1 Corin 2:
9But as it is written,
Eye hath not seen,
nor ear heard,
neither have entered into the heart of man,
the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10But
God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit:
for the Spirit searcheth all things,
yea,
the deep things of God.
11For what man knoweth the things of a man,
save the spirit of man which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man,
but the Spirit of God.
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God;
that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13Which things also we speak,
not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth,
but which the Holy Ghost teacheth;
comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him:
neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned.
15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things,
yet he himself is judged of no man.
16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him?
but we have the mind of Christ.
Could God have written His word in OPEN Code so that people without the key wd get only the superficial meanings, think they got all of it and so stop searching and so not get the hidden meanings?
Whereas those with the key wd be getting all they cd get but still would never be able to get it all simply because the words of God are fathomless for depth, infinitely deep?
Ephesians 3:
14For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16That he would grant you,
according to the riches of his glory,
to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith;
that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18May be able to comprehend with all saints what the breadth, and length, and depth, and height of Love is;
19And to know the love of Christ,
which passeth knowledge,
that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
20Now unto him that is able to do
exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think,
according to the power that worketh in us,
21Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages,
world without end.
Amen.
Hope that helps.
More questions are most welcome.
In the key of Love for all words,
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: salt loss... |
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| atoz wrote: | | I just apologize in Love for any hurt of not hurting you then!smile |
yeah...smile..  ....
| Quote: | | The name David meaning Love, |
i just researched two sources...they say it is 'beloved'...or favorite...not quite the same as love in the way you are using it... |
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atoz
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:47 am Post subject: Re: salt loss... |
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| theseldomscene wrote: |
| Quote: | | The name David meaning Love, |
i just researched two sources...they say it is 'beloved'...or favorite...not quite the same as love in the way you are using it... |
Good for those 2 sources!
But what about you as your best resource after God and JC?smile
Here is how i think it thru:
Since
beloveds are called beloved because they are loved,
or
are called beloved because they are full of Love for the ones calling them beloved,
then,
the beloved is Love and Love is the beloved!smile
Like this:
Song of Solomon 1:
14 My beloved
is unto me as a cluster of camphire in the vineyards of Engedi.
15 Behold,
thou art fair, my love;
Under The Key Banner of Love for all the beloved & behated, SOS 2:4,
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RevJP
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | That Love-key is what I use to decipher God's word which is written in the Key of Love. |
I would not necessarily agree with you. God's Word is written in the 'key' of TRUTH.
| Quote: | | I better stop there before you think I am more undecipherable that you thought I was before |
Far too late for that...
| Quote: | Have you ever looked on
the Bible as a code
or as written in a code,
so that no one could understand it unless he or she had the code-key? |
No. Absolutely not. God is not the author of confusion, and to suggest that His Word is written in some sort of 'code' is definitely anti-scriptural. |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| amen... |
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atoz
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | atoz: That Love-key is what I use to decipher God's word which is written in the Key of Love. |
| Quote: | revJP: I would not necessarily agree with you. God's Word is written in the 'key' of TRUTH.
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Atoz: Yes, written in the Key of the Truth of Love!
The Truth about Love is a whole lot greater than the Truth or the Love of the truth!
| Quote: | atoz:
I better stop there before you think I am more undecipherable that you thought I was before |
| RevJP wrote: | | Far too late for that... |
atoz: Exactly!smile
| Quote: | atoz: Have you ever looked on
the Bible as a code
or as written in a code,
so that no one could understand it unless he or she had the code-key? |
| Quote: | | revjp: No. Absolutely not. God is not the author of confusion, and to suggest that His Word is written in some sort of 'code' is definitely anti-scriptural. |
atoz: Correct, God is NOT the Author of confusion in HATE of those who would be or are confused!
But do you remember?
Love makes your memory work better!smile
Who confounded and confused the languages at the Tower of Babel?
Genesis 11:
6And the LORD said,
Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language;
and this they begin to do:
and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7Go to,
let us go down,
and there confound their language,
that they may not understand one another's speech.
8So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth:
and they left off to build the city.
So God is the Author of Confusion --- but IN LOVE ---
God confused WITH LOVE those he confused!
When you are NOT confused that you are confused, you are unconfused about ONE thing: That you are confused!
Those who know that they don't know know more than those who don't know that they don't know!
Do you love to ask directions?smile
Those who know they are lost are less lost than those who are lost but are at a loss to the fact that they are lost!
What do you think?
Do you see how Love for self as confused and as confuser helps you to see that the first sinful confusion is to HATE being confused and to HATE confusers?
Then In Love, you will tend to remember Genesis 11 AND 1 Corin 14:33.
In Hate of confusers, most ministers can't mention and so never mention Gen 11 in the same sermon with 1 Corin 14:33.
Please don't feel embarrassed for not putting those two verses together: it can't be done without the Key-Code of Love.
ok?
with the Key of Love and Respect for every word of God & their opposites that makes memory work and gives better understanding of God's Word wgich God wrote in the Truth of Love,
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| atoz wrote: | In Hate of confusers, most ministers can't mention and so never mention Gen 11 in the same sermon with 1 Corin 14:33.
Please don't feel embarrassed for not putting those two verses together: it can't be done without the Key-Code of Love.
ok? |
oh there is no reason for him to feel embarrassed...
for one....he has seen those two together before...for it has been done on the boards a few times...and for two...
he was speaking of GOD talking to HIS...which is how 1 cor is used...it is instructing those in church on conduct in the church...so to say that one can sow confusion in love in the church because GOD did so to scatter man...
is a misapplication sir...or ma'am... and goes against what paul teaches...for one to try to sow confusion ..and at that among the brethern....that is satan's doctrine...according to the bible... |
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atoz
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: |
oh there is no reason for him to feel embarrassed.....
he was speaking of GOD talking to HIS...which is how 1 cor is used...it is instructing those in church on conduct in the church...so to say that one can sow confusion in love in the church because GOD did so to scatter man...
is a misapplication sir...or ma'am... and goes against what paul teaches...for one to try to sow confusion ..and at that among the brethern....that is satan's doctrine...according to the bible... |
Glad neither of you were embarassed!
Now, please also remember, that
it is SATAN'S first DOCTRINE to get you to HATE SATAN
when it is GOD'S first DOCTRINE for you to love our adversaries, Matthew 5:44
and God says that Satan is our adversary!
1 Peter 5:8-9. 
And please remember also, that God is MORE powerful than satan:
so satan can't sow confusion in Hate God's Church without God's prior permission as in Job 1, Matthew 13:24-30 and 1 Cor 5:1-5 and etc.
Why wd God do that?
To check out from the neck up who is obeying God by loving Satan and loving haters of Satan,
and who is DIS-obeying God by hating Satan and hating lovers of Satan!
1 Peter 4:
17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us,
what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18And if the righteous scarcely be saved,
where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
In Love of God and Satan, and of lovers and haters, of obeyers and disobeyers, of every word of God and its oppositenemy, Matthew 4:4
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| atoz; what amazes me more than your ability to purposefully confuse and confound everything you post, is your unfathomable ability to do gymnastics through the Word of God. Your contortions with His Word are amusing to watch even though they are maddeningly contrary to that Word. |
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