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atoz
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Hello Everyone

bitterlily wrote:

...In all of the verses where people were "demon-possessed" they were all healed by Jesus.

Yet if you look up the verses where Jesus is speaking to the satanically deceived Pharisees, not once did he use the word "demon-possession" to describe them.

He did say however:

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"Ye are of(from) your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do." John 8:44

Is there a distinct difference between these 2 statements (you might ask)?

My thorough study of this subject has led me to conclude that there most definitely is.
One obvious example that comes to mind is, Jesus did not heal the Pharisees of their satanic deception as he did the many demon-possessed peoples.

It is also important to realize that Jesus did not send his disciples out to BRAND people with the name "demon-possessed" as is the practise of many professing disciples today. He sent them to cast out the demons of these oppressed people. During my childhood, I had many professing disciples (Catholic, Protestant, you name it) attempt to do this for me but they were unable. And as a result I spent most of my childhood feeling that for some reason God did not love me like he did everyone else. I only realized the truth of their failure to heal me when I read the following account of my seizures in Matthew 17:15-21

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Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water. And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him. Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me. And Jesus rebuked the devil (not the child); and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. Matthew 17:15-21

To suggest that my healing was a satanic deception to influence me is to make the same mistake as the Pharisees who said in Matthew 12:24:

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"It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons."Matthew 12:24

To this Jesus replied:

Quote:

Knowing their thoughts, he(Jesus) said to them,"Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can someone enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house. Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.Matthew 12:25-32

Kind Regards
Bitterlily

Bitterlily,

I would like to ask you a few questions about your demon-possession experience based on the above paras....especially after your response to T1.

It was very good, so good that I was glad that I had not brought it up with you earlier as I had wanted to do, since I wd not have known all the details you gave in that post.

Do you mind?smile
It is to see if you need any help.
I love me as helpless & as useless which is what you wd make me if you said no!smile
So feel free to say no!smile
If you say yes, I'll basically just ask questions....and you can respond with answers and/or with questions.

with Love always,
atoz

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bitterlily
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Hello Everyone

atoz wrote:

I would like to ask you a few questions about your demon-possession experience based on the above paras....especially after your response to T1.
Do you mind?smile
It is to see if you need any help.

Hi Atoz,
Sure! Wink

Feel free to ask me any questions you may have about this subject. And that goes for anyone who may want to know more about my experience with them, and how the Lord healed me and led me out of extreme darkness. I am at peace now about the whole experience, because I understand from scripture that the Lord was with me all along and I was never alone. He had a purpose for me from the beginning and He used these experiences as part of my training. It is just another example of the verse which says:

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And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Romans 8:28

So go for your life atoz! Smile

It would be my pleasure.

Before I sign off I have some thoughts to share with you, Mojo and Nobby. Last night when going to bed the following verse came to me:

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Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. Matthew 1:19

I couldn't help but feeling that through my reply to T1, I was making a public example of him/her and therefore being unjust. I feel compelled to delete it, it feels really wrong to be published for all to see. But I feel it is an important subject that we all should feel comfortable addressing. Who knows how many people it could help. But it would need to be well moderated to avoid hurting people's feelings as happened to me. All elephants would need to be on their best behaviour in this delicate china shop. So I had an idea and wanted to know what you all think about it. What if I was to remove my reply to T1 and write up a separate post about demon-possession for a new forum (it would need to be really)? This way the discussion on this subject can continue without T1 feeling that he/she has been made a public example. The last thing I would want is for my reply to send him/her packing. I would feel real bad.

So for sensitivities sake I am going to delete it, and await your replys. I would really appreciate it if you all could delete or revise your responses too, identifying T1. And then it can be up to T1 if s/he decides to delete his/her post. If you feel s/he needs to be aware of what happened I am happy that Mojo or Nobby send him/her a (gentle) private message. Eventually I'd like to even see our use of "T1" deleted from our posts to prevent him/her from being identified.

Thanks
Love Always
Bitterlily (lily is fine Mojo)

atoz
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: Hello Everyone

Bitterlily! You are an outstanding person!...based on what you said in your post about deleting and based mostly on HOW you said it: the Love shone brightly thru! That verse definitely came from God! However, I wd recommed altering rather than deleting your post to reflect what you think now were that poster's good intentions. U wd not believe this but I suppose great minds think alike: I deleted a line about that publicity in my post to a Moderator. So thanx for talking about publicity. And I also previously did the same thing and altered my post to another member after we reconciled. And I will alter my post to that Moderator if i can. Now to other important matters! Thanx for the permit!smile Will write you later today. Have a great sleep! With Love & Respect, atoz

bitterlily
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Hello Everyone

atoz wrote:

Bitterlily!

You are an outstanding person!...based on what you said in your post about deleting and based mostly on HOW you said it: the Love shone brightly thru!
That verse definitely came from God!

Thanks for your kind words atoz, they made me blush. Embarassed

Thats how I feel about that verse too.

I think the reason I found it so easy to do is because I know what it's like to be made a public example. It is especially worse when people just won't let you live it down. I could just imagine people on the forum using it against him/her in the future to make him feel an outcast if he presented a view they didn't agree with. That my friend would be really awful aye. Speaking of which I did wonder whether he had read one of my posts and retaliated with his comments on my welcome page(I think you know what one I'm talking about). I've even had thoughts of changing it's heading after this.

Thanks for pointing out the sentence "You are among friends." By the time I got to it, it was too late I was already blinded by my own hurt. But like I said I'm over it thanks to the Lord.

I'll wait to see what Mojo and Nobby say because they might agree that it needs to be a separate forum. If not, I'll repost it per your suggestions.

atoz wrote:

U wd not believe this but I suppose great minds think alike: I deleted a line about that publicity in my post to a Moderator. So thanx for talking about publicity.

And I also previously did the same thing and altered my post to another member after we reconciled.
And I will alter my post to that Moderator if i can.

It is really uplifting to be told by people that your heart shows through, so I want to tell you atoz: The fact that you see it in me tells me that you are also all those nice words that you have used to describe me. #Red Big Grin2

I look forward to recieving your post and thanks, I will certainly have a great sleep #Sleep

in about another 7-8 hours! Laughing

With Love & Respect to you to mate,
Bitterlily

MoJo
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:02 am Post subject:

Tell me what posts you want moved and I will move them to a discussion forum. _________________ matt 6: 34 "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

atoz
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Hello Everyone

bitterlily wrote:

I think the reason I found it so easy to do is because I know what it's like to be made a public example. It is especially worse when people just won't let you live it down. I could just imagine people on the forum using it against him/her in the future to make him feel an outcast if he presented a view they didn't agree with. That my friend would be really awful aye.

It is really uplifting to be told by people that your heart shows through, so I want to tell you atoz: The fact that you see it in me tells me that you are also all those nice words that you have used to describe me. #Red Big Grin2

Bitterlily,

By your words, God is definitely using you to encourage me more and more to encourage you!smile

First of all, or again, you are doing in Love or with Love to & for new people what those others in Hate back then did NOT do to nor for you.
That makes you so easily intreatable! Psalms 119:58.

2ndly, YOU are telling ME that ITOTKO: It takes One To Know One!...without me having ever told YOU that!smile
That proves you are childlike or Godlike in attitude...again...Matthew 18:1-3. 1 Corin 14:20, and that you are so immoveably and irresistibly stuck in the Love you've been given by God that
1. it doesn't matter if you haven't taken it all, since total focus in limited Love is just as effective as total focus in all 100% Love! and
2. most likely you HAVE taken it all! and
3. It wd be so easy for you to get it all so that your focus wd be irretrievably and everlastingly set ON Love!
sigh smile

So I KNOW that you are gonna hit home runs over the fence on my questions, or at the very least, get in the park homeruns!

Here are my first 3:

1. Do you have any concerns that your experience with d-p could happen again?

2. What have you done since and are you doing now to ensure it does not and can not happen again?

3. What is your explanation as to WHY what happens as JC says happens in the following passage?

Matthew 12:
43When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

44Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

45Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. ....

Go with your life, to use your own phrase, for the answers!smile

with Love & Respect to you to mate,
atoz

bitterlily
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: My Experience with Demon-Possession

atoz wrote:

Here are my first 3:

1. Do you have any concerns that your experience with d-p could happen again?

No. Not anymore. I will explain why in a minute.

atoz wrote:

2. What have you done since and are you doing now to ensure it does not and can not happen again?

I wouldn't say it is anything I am doing or have done, but what the Lord has done to ensure it doesn't happen again. You will understand my answers to this question and the previous when I answer your 3rd question.

atoz wrote:

3. What is your explanation as to WHY what happens as JC says happens in the following passage?

Matthew 12:
43When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

44Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

45Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. ....

This has already happened to me, and the last state of this woman was certainly far worse than the first. The thing to note in these verses is that Jesus said "the unclean spirit" found the house "EMPTY"! I'm sure you can guess what that means...The Holy Spirit had not taken up residence in this house, He had only swept and garnished it. So it was found vacant by the 7-8 unclean spirits who entered and occupied that house.

So that you understand why I know this has already happened to me I will share some of the details surrounding my d-p experiences:

THE TIMELINE
Age 4 - Unclean spirit enters my house.
Age 14 - God answers the fearful and angry prayer of this child, sending the unclean spirit out.
Age 18 - The 7 unclean spirits along with the original one enter my house again.
Age 24 - This fearful, lonely and helpless child is visited by the Holy Spirit of Jesus who casts out the unclean spirits and takes up residency in my house.

My house is no longer EMPTY! Praise the Lord!!! #Milti

A DETAILED ACCOUNT
Age 4 - unclean spirit enters my house.
The following is an account of one of my seizures that my mum shared with me when I was about 22 years old.

She recalled that her and Dad were sitting watching T.V. Us kids had not long gone to bed when suddenly the hall door flung open as I came through it. All my limbs were twisted, my jaw was out of joint, my face was blue and I was frothing at the mouth. As I fought to walk to my Mum in this crippled state, eyes wide with terror, I managed to force out a sound “Muuuummm!” Mum came running to catch me as I collapsed on the ground and fell unconscious while Dad ran straight out the door and returned with some Kaumatua (elders) from our Marae (Tribal Home) who came to pray for me.

I only ever experienced the seizures during sleep, but would awaken to the sensation of tingling and numbness in my face and mouth. This would become the signal to me, that I had a few seconds to get up and run to Mum before paralysis would overtake my whole body, until finally I fell unconscious.

I have memories during many of these occasions, regaining consciousness and feeling relieved to find myself lying in my Mum’s arms on the floor. I would bawl my eyes out as I would wonder why I had to go through these terrifying experiences. Eventually I would fall into a deep sleep often snoring my head off. This was a sign to Mum that the ordeal was over and I had gone into recovery mode.

This account will help you to understand why my mum (and later I) recognised my epilepsy as d-p:

Having just come out of a very severe seizure, I was groaning and crying in distress. My mum stroked my hair as I lay in her arms and to calm her nerves she begun to sing this song:

In the Name of Jesus, In the Name of Jesus, We have the Victory!
In the Name of Jesus, In the Name of Jesus, Demons will have to flee!

this is her account of what happened next:

…As she came to the last part of this song she said that she heard an enormous thump, like something hitting the ceiling of our house. In her words, “It was like a huge hand punching the ceiling!” It absolutely terrified her, and when she recalled the words of the song she equated this extraordinary event to the words “Demons will have to flee!”

From this moment on, when I would have a convulsion, Mum would try to tell me, “Just call out to Jesus, Bitterlily(code name), call out to Jesus.” I never took her advice because all that mattered to me while I was convulsing was getting to the safety of her arms before falling unconscious. My greatest fear was facing this hell alone.

Age 14 - God answers the fearful and angry prayer of this child, sending the unclean spirit out.

In one night I had 2 seizures. The first was a few hours after having gone to bed, I awoke and managed to get to the kitchen where my Mum was, before collapsing. The second occurred in the early morning hours, but this time I wasn’t so lucky. Only managing to get to my door handle but unable to open it. I collapsed, smashing my face on the old-fashioned typewriter that sat on the floor by my door.

Later that same morning, Mum being reassured by my deep snoring on the couch that I was in recovery mode, awoke me to ask if I would be okay if she left me to walk my little brother and sister to school. I nodded saying, “Yeah, I will be okay!” and then fell off to sleep again.

Within minutes I awoke to the familiar tingling and numbness in my mouth. “Oh No!” I leapt off the couch and made my way to the kitchen bench. While trying to hold myself up by my elbows as my body began to twist, I looked out the window to the blue sky and with all my might, I raised my fist to the sky and said “Stop (naughty word) doing this to me!!!”

Yes I was talking to God (if He was out there somewhere), and YES the seizure stopped! Shocked

It was not long before Mum returned home to hear me ranting, “God healed me Mum, He healed me!” It was hard for Mum to accept, especially under the circumstances, to believe that God had healed me in response to such a contemptible prayer. And I must admit, it sent shivers up my spine when the seizure actually stopped, feeling the need to reassure God that I didn’t mean it, I was just scared! #Nooo...not me!

For several months after this, I would still awake to that same horrible feeling of tingling and numbness in my face, but when a seizure didn’t immediately follow, I came to the conclusion that it was God reminding me of what he had done for me. It didn’t take long though, for me to forget this miracle of a day with God and live my life as if I had never known what it was like to be sick (with d-p).

Age 18 - The 7 unclean spirits along with the original one enter my house again.
This event happened the night that I "DREAMT" I was having an epileptic seizure. God’s grace had run out on me and now I would have to suffer a worser fate than the physical seizures. How were these dreams worse? They felt exactly the same as the physical seizures, and started in the exact same way, but I was unable to discern that I was dreaming until I began to notice things out of place in my home. Being a dream, I had no-one to run to and no-one to witness the horror I was again living. So unbeknown to everyone (except a select few) the horror of my seizures had returned for a period of 6 years. I also had night terrors of peoples faces changing into demonic ones Twisted Evil

(including my own family) Twisted Evil

, and they would begin taunting me, and chasing me to try and kill me. During this time I had a dear friend staying with me, who one night saw the distress in my face when I was asleep and decided to listened to my heartbeat. They said it felt like my heart was trying to jump out of my chest. From that night on my friend (a shift worker) would watch me while I slept and would wake me as soon as they saw these symptoms again.

I believe the Lord sent this friend to me to be my guardian angel #angel

Age 24 - This fearful, lonely and helpless child is visited by the Holy Spirit of Jesus who casts out the unclean spirits and takes up residency in my house. My house is no longer EMPTY! Praise the Lord!!!
Several events (which I won't go into) occurred the months prior to this. Let's just say I was looking for the Lord, but due to childhood experiences christianity was the last thing on my list of places to look.
But then one day I was sitting in my Garage just gazing at the grey bricks and feeling sorry for myself. I began thinking about all the good stuff I had done for people in my life and how they seemed to have abandoned me in search for new friends. All my goodness and kindness seemed worthless and myself of no importance. This is when a divine thought crashed my pity party and said, “What about Jesus? He did good deeds, was kind and helped people and he was abandoned by everyone and crucified on a cross.” Well this thought made me burst into tears as I was suddenly filled with remorse. Why? Because my own treatment of this good man had been far worse than anyway that I had ever been treated.

The remorse I felt for my disregard of both Jesus and my Mum (who I had tried to convince 2 years earlier that Jesus had faked his death) caused me to jump straight into my car and drive to Mum’s house. Still bawling as I pulled up her drive; I got out and wailed, “Mum, You have been my best friend, the only one who knows everything about me, I’m so sorry for all the times that I have hurt you!” And then I said, “Mum, I hope I come to know Jesus before you die, because I don’t know how I will survive without you!” Crying or Very sad

Well to cut a long story short, I returned to Mum just days later and said, “Mum, Jesus must have heard my plea and known that I was sincere cause He came Mum, and He came quickly!”

If you can imagine Jesus walking into a dark room where you are sitting, The light of His presence being so invasive that it fills every single crevice of darkness in the room, and in You. All your dark emotions are filled up with His light, that you can actually feel the fruit of His Spirit in You, and you know at that moment that He has always loved you with an undying and unspeakable love. This is what I felt the day that Jesus came into my life.

His love was breath-taking as it renewed me from the inside out, mending my broken and fearful heart and giving me hope of a meaningful future. I began talking to Him every day and all day, convinced that He was with me where ever I went and could hear my every word, as I asked Him to guide me in my daily life. And he gave me a little bit of faith to believe that He had heard my many prayers and would kindly and lovingly bring them to pass, and being faithful to his (biblical) word, He did. I had some amazing experiences during that time including one where I was led to help a friend in need, causing her to think that I had discovered some psychic ability. I tried to tell her that it wasn’t me but she couldn't comprehend what I was saying. I am glad to report though that she was recently visited by the Lord too.

An important experience that happened for me during this time was when I had gone to bed one night and had one of those recurring nightmares. The next night as I was going to bed I thought about those nightmares and as if to speak to them I said, “Right! Now that I have Jesus I will deal with you once and for all!” #2gunfire

My march to war with my nightmares was divinely interrupted with these words, “If you will follow me, deny yourself, take up your cross and follow Me.”(Matthew 16:24) Shocked

I assumed by these words that Jesus did not want me to go to war as I had planned, but instead he wanted me to turn my back from my own ways and to trust and follow him. So I did; and that night with NOT A WORD OF A LIE, while asleep in bed, a light shone over my face the whole night, like someone pointing a bright torch in my face. It was bright and yet it had no glare as to cause me to squint and I could hear myself mumbling. It would take a couple of years before I would understand the significance of that event.

Jesus didn’t take the nightmares away completely, and once in a blue moon (usually when I was straying away from him) I would experience one but he had given me the ability to pray during the nightmares and I would immediately wake up, and having this ability helped to strengthen my faith (and dependence) in him as my Saviour. My prayers used to be a bit long winded but eventually I learned that to call out to Jesus was enough to end it, just as my Mum had tried to tell me as a child.

Well that's it in a nutshell atoz!

Hope you found it enlightening and helpful.

Feel free to ask me more questions. At some point I'd like to share all the scriptures that helped me to understand that the Lord had a purpose for me from the beginning and he was not going to let anything stand in the way of his Will for me, not even me.

With Love
Bitterlily

Quote:

Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. Mark 16:9

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bitterlily
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Hello Everyone

Dear Atoz,

I want to apologize for being so eager to answer your questions that I forgot to look up the verses you quoted. Shame on me. #Splat

Thanks to my sweet mummy (living with us) who I have been sharing my forum exchanges with, who took the time to look them up in the Bible, otherwise I wouldn't have known the beautiful gift you were giving me through these verses.

You wrote:

Psalms 119:58
Matthew 18:1-3
1 Corin 14:20

which say:

I intreated thy favour with my whole heart: be merciful unto me according to thy word. Psalms 119:58

At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 18:1-3

Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
1 Corinthians 14:20

Although I won't make the same mistake again, the beauty of me missing these verses was that they were a precious gift to my mum who took great delight in sharing them with me.

It's just as you said atoz "ITOTKO" Very Happy

God Bless You My Friend
Love from Bitterlily

atoz
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Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Hello Everyone

Bitterlily! Wow! Wonder of Wonders! Absolutely devoured your posts! Awesome! Told ya: you're truly amazing! Just wanted you to know that I'd read them since it is late here, nearly midnite....so I will sleep on them and write you in the am. Say Hi to your mom, too!smile your friend, atoz

atoz
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: Re: Demon-Possession

[quote="bitterlily"]

atoz wrote:

3. What is your explanation as to WHY what happens as JC says happens in the following passage?

This has already happened to me, and the last state of this woman was certainly far worse than the first.

But then one day I was sitting in my Garage just gazing at the grey bricks and feeling sorry for myself. I began thinking about all the good stuff I had done for people in my life and how they seemed to have abandoned me in search for new friends. All my goodness and kindness seemed worthless and myself of no importance. This is when a divine thought crashed my pity party and said,

“What about Jesus? He did good deeds, was kind and helped people and he was abandoned by everyone and crucified on a cross.” Well this thought made me burst into tears as I was suddenly filled with remorse. Why? Because my own treatment of this good man had been far worse than anyway that I had ever been treated.

The remorse I felt for my disregard of both Jesus and my Mum (who I had tried to convince 2 years earlier that Jesus had faked his death) caused me to jump straight into my car and drive to Mum’s house. Still bawling as I pulled up her drive; I got out and wailed, “Mum, You have been my best friend, the only one who knows everything about me, I’m so sorry for all the times that I have hurt you!” And then I said, “Mum, I hope I come to know Jesus before you die, because I don’t know how I will survive without you!” Crying or Very sad

Quote:

Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. Mark 16:9

Those are my general highlights of your wondderful story!

Specifically, I am so touched by your post analysis that God was there all along! So true! Nothing happened that he wasn't in on.

2ndly, that time when you saw yourself in JC when you had that divine thot and burst into tears and ran to your mom!

3rdly, best for last, when JC came into your life, and your description of Love! Straight from God!

So?
So I want to ask you and tell you so many things at ONE time that I wish i had 1000 tongues and you had 1000 ears to hear at ONE time!smile

But since i don;t have 1000 and u don't here goes:

Do you think that you now love yourself as much as God and JC love u?

[My answer to that is Yes, with just a few details to be filled out! But what do you think?]

Do you know specifically HOW to love you as much as They love you?

[my answer is yes, but u may not know that you know!smile]

Would you like me to share with you what God has shown me to do to guarantee that d-p can never happen to me, and that HS is always in residence?

[ I think that this is what God has sent me to pass on to you]

What was the family like, your mom and dad and etc, when you were born and up to the time you had your 1st episode?

[My certainty is that God was using you to help your family by those d-p's. See ezekiel]

Those shd keep you going until.....!smile

hi to your mom.

with all love and respect,
atoz

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bitterlily
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Demon-Possession

atoz wrote:

So?
So I want to ask you and tell you so many things at ONE time that I wish i had 1000 tongues and you had 1000 ears to hear at ONE time!smile

Feel free to fire away there atoz. You can ask or tell me anything. I'm all ears Laughing

atoz wrote:

Do you think that you now love yourself as much as God and JC love u?

That's probably the hardest question anyone has ever asked me. Laughing

The most honest answer I could give you is "NO!"

atoz wrote:

Do you know specifically HOW to love you as much as They love you?

Another hard one. #Sadly No

atoz wrote:

Would you like me to share with you what God has shown me to do to guarantee that d-p can never happen to me, and that HS is always in residence?

[ I think that this is what God has sent me to pass on to you]

I would love for you to share this and any of your experiences with me.

atoz wrote:

What was the family like, your mom and dad and etc, when you were born and up to the time you had your 1st episode?

[My certainty is that God was using you to help your family by those d-p's. See ezekiel]

I'm not quite sure how to answer your question about my family but I I agree with your next statement about God using those d-ps to help my family, the most obvious being my mum. My mum loved the Lord but was trapped in Catholicism. Her heart left the Catholic Church the day the Lord first visited her when I was a baby. However she didn't have the courage to physically leave it until 10 years later. Not so obvious are my brothers and sisters. They were all very wary of me when I first came to the Lord. Their perceptions of christians were no better than mine so it was understandable. But as the years have passed they all at some time have asked me what the Bible teaches and have been pleasantly surprised. As for my dad, he passed away when I was 18.

Mum said to say "Hello". Smile

I look forward to you sharing your thoughts and experiences.

with all love and respect, Very Happy

Bitterlily

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Demon-Possession

bitterlily wrote:

atoz wrote:

1. Do you think that you now love yourself as much as God and JC love u?

That's probably the hardest question anyone has ever asked me. Laughing

The most honest answer I could give you is "NO!"

atoz wrote:

2. Do you know specifically HOW to love you as much as They love you?

Another hard one. #Sadly No

atoz wrote:

3. Would you like me to share with you what God has shown me to do to guarantee that d-p can never happen to me, and that HS is always in residence?

[ I think that this is what God has sent me to pass on to you]

I would love for you to share this and any of your experiences with me.

Great Bitterlily!

Let's go.

First of all, please you and mom pray that God blesses you in hearing and me in speaking exactly what words of His you need to hear.
Ok?
Done?

Let's begin.

The answers to #2 and #3 are the same, and will make #1's answer become a Yes.

I'll go slow, and you'll feel what I mean about having a thousand tongues!smile

If I were you, I wd save these replies so you cd read them wherever.
Please get your Bible to open and read and refer to and etc.

Let's start from where God starts: At His Law of Love.
Let's put first what He puts first: His Law of Love.

God commands us to love Him with all our Hearts, Understanding, Soul, Strength and Mind,
and to love our neigbors as ourselves.

Matthew 22:
36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37Jesus said unto him,
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

Mark 12:
29And Jesus answered him,
The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

31And the second is like, namely this,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
There is none other commandment greater than these.

32And the scribe said unto him,
Well, Master, thou hast said the truth:
for there is one God;
and there is none other but he:

33And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

34And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him,
Thou art not far from the kingdom of God.
And no man after that durst ask him any question.

Luke 10:
25And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying,
Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

26He said unto him,
What is written in the law?
*How* readest thou?

27And he answering said,
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28And he said unto him,
Thou hast answered right:
this do, and thou shalt live.

So the first thing God wants from me is for me to have an Attitude of Love for Him with all my HUSSM: all my Heart, all my Understanding, all my Soul, all my Strength and all my Mind,
and for me to love my neigbor as myself.

Now, this is one of the places I wish I had 5 mouths and you 10 ears since I want to say at least 5 things simultaneously!smile

1. How do I love like God commands me?
I do that by following God's example as to how he loves Himself, how he loves me and how he loves my neighbor.

2 A. How does God love Himself?
Based on the Golden Rule found in Matthew 7:12,

God loves himself JUST AS He commands me to love Him: God loves Himself WITH ALL OF HIS HUSSM!

Here is Matthew 7:
12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them:
for this is the Law and the Prophets.

2 B. How does God love me?
Just as he tells me to love Him:
WITH ALL OF HIS HUSSM!

2 C. How does God love my neighbor?
Just as he tells my neigbor to Love Him:
WITH ALL OF HIS HUSSM!

What I have just told you, Bitterlily, or God has just told you using lil ole me is HOW it was BEFORE He made anyone else: How it was IN THE BEGINNING as in John 1:1!

That means that God loves Himself as my neighbor and me and so loves my neighbor and me as Himself!

That means that I am supposed to love God just as God loves Himself in order for Him to show me HOW to love God: as He loves Himself!

That means that I am supposed to love my neigbor just as God loves my neighbor: as himself.

That means that I am supposed to love myself just as God loves me: as Himself!

That means that I am supposed to love myself as God and as my neigbor and so love God and my neighbor as myself.

Does that make perfect sense so far?
Please ask all questions as we go.

Notice too,
JUST AS God had to love himself first BEFORE He cd love us as Himself,
SO TOO we have to love US first BEFORE & IN ORDER FOR us to love God and our neighbors as ourselves!

Here is a little poem/song for you:
Before we can love others, [BWCLO]
We have to love ourselves. [WHTLO]
And before we can love ourselves,
God has to show us HOW! 1 John 4:19.
And He shows us HOW to love ourselves
By first loving Himself as us
So He can love us as himself!

Question for you:
When God is my neighbor like when Jesus was on earth, How am I supposed to love Him?
With all my HUSSM?
As my neighbor?
Or Both?

Ok?
Please just THINK and meditate on and pray over all the above for now....and read any and every word of God that comes to mind.

This is getting so long too.smile
So let me stop here.
ok?

Next one will be:

How specifically does God love Himself: Answer will be as all words and their opposites. So you can read ahead in Matthew 5:43-48 and Ecclesiates 3:1-8 and Romans 8:35-39 and Philippians 4:11-13 and Matthew 25:35-45 and any other verses that comes to your mind.

in Love always,
atoz

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:33 pm Post subject:

atoz wrote:

Bitterlily wrote:

I look forward to you sharing your thoughts and experiences.

with all love and respect, Very Happy

Bitterlily

Thanx for that answer, BL.

It will come in later.
I referred to Ezekiel but did no include the chapter and verses: 16:44-45. See also 2 samuel 13:15, James 1:8 and matthew 6:24.

Tell your mom that I was also born catholic!smile
Planned to be a Pope too!smile
But cdn't stand wearing a frock or dress!smile

with all Love and Respect,
atoz

bitterlily
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Demon-Possession

atoz wrote:

The answers to #2 and #3 are the same, and will make #1's answer become a Yes.

I'll go slow, and you'll feel what I mean about having a thousand tongues!smile

I think I'm hearing you with all ears atoz, and now I feel I'm also suffering from a thousand tongues as well. Laughing

I'll try to describe in my own words (and the Bible's) what I think you are saying and you let me know if I am understanding you correctly.

Here is what I am hearing:

Quote:

And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. 1Jo 4:16

When we dwell in Love, God does not see us with all our flaws and failings like we do (and as I have been doing). He sees himself (LOVE) in us. This reminds me of the verse which says:

Quote:

(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which are not as though they were. Rom 4:17

This is why my answer to your question was "No". I was seeing myself through my own eyes instead of God's.

atoz wrote:

God commands us to love Him with all our Hearts, Understanding, Soul, Strength and Mind,
and to love our neigbors as ourselves.

Matthew 22....
Mark 12:....
Luke 10:....

I am so glad you quoted these verses atoz. You obviously feel the same way about them as I do. I often feel that so many other commandments are given more attention, more regard, more respect, more priority than these that our Lord said were of paramount importance. I always think of what Paul said:

Quote:

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profiteth me nothing. 1Co 13:1-3

So why is it that we can have all these gifts and yet it profit us nothing? It's like sweet John said:

Quote:

He that loves not knows not God; for God is love. 1Jo 4:8

As much as is in me I try to "speak the truth in love". When I feel unable to, I refrain from speaking and seek the Lord with all my heart. It's like having a soak in a nice warm bath of Love. It is during these times that I often receive inspiration:D

atoz wrote:

2 A. How does God love Himself?
Based on the Golden Rule found in Matthew 7:12,

YES! YES! YES! Very Happy

Quote:

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Mat 7:12

I SAY AMEN TO THAT ONE ATOZ! Very Happy

This is what I try to do all the time (though I fail at it sometimes as with T1). I try to put myself in other people's shoes. When I speak, I try to put their need to hear above my need to speak (does that make sense). In other words if I feel my words are only of benefit to me but not the hearer I (try at least to) refrain from speaking. When I listen or read, I try to listen for the heart behind the words, for the author's intent for the words, rather than just how I percieve them. But again I fail at this sometimes too, especially in a setting like this forum where I can't see the person's face or hear the tone of their voice. That's why I like using the smilie faces alot. In saying that though, the beauty of this forum is that it helps us to see past age, gender, race and disability and focus on the words being spoken. It also allows us to ponder about what is being said and what we hope to say.

atoz wrote:

God loves himself JUST AS He commands me to love Him: God loves Himself WITH ALL OF HIS HUSSM!

Here is Matthew 7:
12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them:
for this is the Law and the Prophets.

2 B. How does God love me?
Just as he tells me to love Him:
WITH ALL OF HIS HUSSM!

2 C. How does God love my neighbor?
Just as he tells my neigbor to Love Him:
WITH ALL OF HIS HUSSM!

I hear ya atoz (and God) Very Happy

. Here is the verse that comes to my mind:

Quote:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill....Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Mat 5:17 & Mat 7:12

The poem/song you quoted is so simple and yet profound. Very Happy

atoz wrote:

Question for you:
When God is my neighbor like when Jesus was on earth, How am I supposed to love Him?
With all my HUSSM?
As my neighbor?
Or Both?

I think both. Why I say this is because my love for him has grown more as a result of viewing him as my neighbour than not. When I first read the Bible I kept putting myself in God's shoes whenever He spoke or did anything. Like when I first read the account of the flood. I felt God's sadness and cried when it said:

Quote:

And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Gen 6:6

My heart grieved for God, who's heart was grieving for us.

atoz wrote:

Next one will be:

How specifically does God love Himself: Answer will be as all words and their opposites. So you can read ahead in Matthew 5:43-48 and Ecclesiates 3:1-8 and Romans 8:35-39 and Philippians 4:11-13 and Matthew 25:35-45 and any other verses that comes to your mind.

I read these verses you quoted and look forward to hearing you sharing your insights on them. (I especially love the ones in Romans and Phillipians) I heard Matthew 25:35-45 very differently in light of what we have been discussing here. I will use the last verse for an example:

Quote:

For unto everyone that hath (LOVE) shall be given(LOVE), and he shall have abundance (OF LOVE): but from him that hath not(LOVE) shall be taken away even that (LOVE)which he hath. Mat 25:29

WOW!!! I had not seen it like that before.

atoz wrote:

I referred to Ezekiel but did no include the chapter and verses: 16:44-45. See also 2 samuel 13:15, James 1:8 and matthew 6:24.

Thanks for those, they can be my homework.

atoz wrote:

Tell your mom that I was also born catholic!smile
Planned to be a Pope too!smile
But cdn't stand wearing a frock or dress!smile

It's funny you say that atoz because I (a female) once wore those same frocks/dresses you speak of. Laughing

We lived in a small town and attended the convent school. At one point the convent only had 11 children attending and not enough boys serving at the altar. So our easy-going priest opened the invitation to girls as well. I and another girl put our hands up without hesitation. We felt like we had one the lottery. You should of seen the huge smile from ear to ear on my face, when my family arrived for mass for my first time as altar girl. It still makes me giggle even today. But this experience was short lived because our Priest was transferred and replaced by an Old School Priest who wasn't pleased with these impure additions to his altar, as well as the prayer meeting that my mum used to attend. I might add too, my promotion to altar girl made me feel that I was getting closer to God and thus my healing. When it was taken away from me I felt robbed, I was so hurt.
The new priest put a stop to the lot, and as a result 5 families (including ours) left the Catholic Church. It was these 2 events that gave Mum the courage to leave. Mum talked about how before this new priest came along, the old priest used to often take the congregation along to the other christian churches in town when there were special events going on. I think these 2 priestly examples of inclusiveness and exclusiveness really stuck out to mum (and others) like a sore thumb.

Talk to you soon
Loving Always Very Happy

Bitterlily

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Demon-Possession

Bitterlily! God is answering your prayers and mine! God is definitely working with you!smile YES, YES, YES, YES, YES to all and to everything you wrote! We are on the same wavelength of Love: God's wavelength! This was awesome as was all your comments: "When we dwell in Love, God does not see us with all our flaws and failings like we do (and as I have been doing). He sees himself (LOVE) in us." BL, God Law of Love makes laws out our flaws since God loves us as flawed and as unflawed, which makes The Flaw of Hate for any flaw the only sin!! See? Please go on Google and check out: The Cracked Pot! Here it is: I found it: http://www.lovethissite.com/crackedpot/ Your answer of BOTH was of course the right one! More comments and the rest tomorrow! I just wanted you to know I'd seen it before I go to bed so you'd be even more encouraged!smile by the way, I also atended a convent and was also an altar boy!smile Alwyas in Love, atoz

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