What is the Truth of Love?

atoz · Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:16 am Post subject: What is the Truth of Love?

Argenta:
Hi artoz
Thanks for your contribution but I struggled to understand your meaning sometimes so I may need to ask for clarification.

You have introduced a new concept truth of love and I'm not sure what you mean by it. Would you define it please?

atoz:
U are a man after my own heart: u ask clarifyng questions when you don't understand whatever!
smile

The Truth of Love is simply all the truths about what Love is and what Love does.
Examples of the truths of Love:
Love is unconditional and therefore defines itself.
It is also the only word that loves all other words and their opposites or enemies. Therefore Love can also be defined by each word AND its opposite, but never by only one word, and therefore Love is both The Relative Absolute and the Absolute Relative.

Matthew 5:43-48, Romans 8:35-39,
Philippians 4:11-13, Eccles 3:1-8 & Proverbs 17:17
are among endless biblical examples of how God defines Love and uses Love.

Here is a Literary example from Shakespeare showing that he knew the Truth of what Love is and does.

Learning is but an adjunct to ourself
And where we are our learning likewise is:
....
But Love, first learned in a lady's eyes,
Lives not alone immured in the brain;
But, with the motion of all elements,
Courses as swift as thought in every power,
And gives to every power a double power, Isa 42:12-21
Above their functions and their offices.

Love adds a precious seeing to the eye;
A Lover's eyes will gaze an eagle blind;
A Lover's ear will hear the lowest sound,
When the suspicious head of theft is stopp'd:

Love's feeling is more soft and sensible
Than are the tender horns of cockl'd snails;
Love's tongue proves dainty Bacchus gross in taste:
For valour, is not Love a Hercules,
Still climbing trees in the Hesperides?
Subtle as Sphinx; as sweet and musical
As bright Apollo's lute, strung with his hair:

And when Love speaks, the voice of all the gods
Makes heaven drowsy with the harmony.
Never durst poet touch a pen to write
Until his ink were temper'd with Love's sighs;
O, then his lines would ravish savage ears
And plant in tyrants mild humility.

From women's eyes this doctrine [of Love] I derive:
They sparkle still the right Promethean fire;
They are the books, the arts, the academes,
That show, contain and nourish all the world:
Else none at all in ought proves excellent.
1 cor 12:31-13:13.

Then fools you were these women to forswear,
Or keeping what is sworn, you will prove fools.

For Wisdom's sake, a word that all men love,
Or for Love's sake, a word that loves all men,
Or for Men's sake, the authors of these women,
Or Women's sake, by whom we men are men,
Let us once lose our oaths to find ourselves,
Or else we lose ourselves to keep our oaths.
It is religion to be thus forsworn,
For Love itself fulfills the law, Romans 13:10
And who can sever love from Love?
Love's Labour's Lost [IV, 3]

That gives you some idea about the Truth of Love.

Please ask more questions if you have any.

in Love and r,
atoz

atoz · Last edited by atoz on Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:44 am; edited 1 time in total

Argenta:
I use the term faith to mean "belief in the absence of evidence or in the face or contrary evidence", please explain how you are using the word.

Atoz: thanx for asking, once again.

Argenta, the way your definition is used makes evolutionists correctly mock its religious users , and makes evolutionists themselves even more ridiculous for believing that the God the religious people believe in wd ever come up with such an unthinking belief when he wa supposed to give mankind a brain to THINK with, and makes evolutionists cringe for then using it in their own belief in Evolution as the religious use it in their belief in Creation!

This is HOW your def is used, HOW it is used is IN HATE of the contrary..In the prejudice of Hate for what is contrary to what I want to prove:

Belief in whatever in the HATE of the absence or in Hate of the face of contrary evidence!

Hate for any opposing evidence makes us unwilling to even look at, much less see, the evidence that is contrary to us! And we know that there are none so blind as those who are unwilling to see.

In Hate of the contrary is the very antithesis of what God says each person is to do in 1 Thess 5:21:
Prove all things ...in Love of also the contrary or opposite of what you want to prove!!

This Love as attitude of mind is the very epitome and foundation of an objective investigarion into any subject, including the existence of any God, since it forces us to also look at evidence that no God exists or God does not exist!!

Argenta:
This seems to me to be skipping some rather important steps: you have to believe in God and believe that we have a reliable way to learn of God's thoughts and believe that God's thoughts have some special authority before you can use this as part of your argument.

atoz:
That skipping over the contrary evidence is exactly what happens when we use your definition of faith!

To have pro and con evidence in ANY investigation, we first need to have a jurisprudential attitude of mind that is able to look objectively as both the for and against evidence.
We with our own minds can see that: we don't need God to tell us that!
And the only way to have such an attitude of mind is to have Love for both the pro and con, for the friend and the enemy, for the pro and the contra, for the accused and the accuser, for the etc and the opposite-etc.

Now it just SO happens that the God whose existence is in doubt or whose inexistence is in doubt ALSO just happensed to command just such an attitude of mind as the first thing to have!?!!!????!
hmmmmmmm
See why Love is the greatest proof of God's existence?...for even before we begin the investigaton with all the evidence for and against, we are getting an awesome hint!smile

In fact, using 'my' definition, we do not skip over anything: in the unprejudiced attitude of Love, we include all the evidence for and against whatever proposition, and we can come to either opposing conclusion and still be righteous in our opposing conclusions!
As Tom Jefferson told his nephew!
btw, the best 4th in the best Love to you and yours!

argenta:
These are all highly contentious propositions and you have not provided any evidence for them.

atoz: Argenta! But based on your def of faith: belief in the face of contrary evidence, of which NONE is the most contrary, then you SHOULD STILL believe in whatever you call highy contentious propositions even when I have not provided any evidence! smile
See how insane that def is..and in Hate of the insane?

But i *do* think that I have presented the one piece of evidence that I wd llike to *only* submit as my evidence FOR God's existence: Love, Unconditional.
The defence rests.
The prosecutor can present now ALL the vidence to the contrary he wants to any judge and jury who also just happen to uphold Blind Lady Justice, blind because her Eyes of Love look at both for and against with the same Love, and so she who really sees with Love might as well be blind!smile
Please see isaiah 42:19-21:

19Who is blind, but my servant?
or deaf, as my messenger that I sent?
who is blind as he that is perfect,
and blind as the LORD's servant?

20Seeing many things, but thou observest not;
opening the ears, but he heareth not.

21The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

God expects NO ONE to believe in Love until they prove Love works in all conditions, nor to beleive in Him until and unless thay prove his existence!

In faith in the God of Love that empowers me to believe in Love in God and/or to in Love believe in NO God or to in Love disbelieve in God, not to mention to in Love believe in Satan or in Love disbelieve in Satan,
atoz

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

you know argenta is an athiest and this is a CHRISTian...non debate forum whee athiest are asked to not come and debate so believers can fellowship...
so either you are afraid of her answers so you post here
so she can't answer...

or you didn't know this info......

atoz · Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:52 am Post subject:

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

sure...the noah's lounge would be a good place...she goes there i think... Very Happy

happy 4th to you ...i really don't celebrate the fourth...but do like fireworks Wink

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atoz · Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:13 am Post subject:

Thanx, TSS!
Lounge is accepting my posts.

Enjoy the works of fire!smile

in l&r,
atoz