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FFT
Emperor of the Galaxy
Joined: 26 Mar 2005
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Location: Memphis
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 Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Sarahnn wrote: | | I repeat: "I am still waiting for a complaint by an Atheist regarding how their rights are being violated and not covered for jurisprudence by the separation of church and state. |
Great! Completely ignore what you originally asked, don't bother apologizing for not making it clear, feel free to ask questions that you're going to dismiss answers to out of hand!
No matter what people came up with in regards to what you're "actually" asking, you're clearly just going to dismiss it out of hand going "isn't it great that we've got this separation of church and state thing that'll take care of this!?"
Your thread is completely useless if you're going to ignore evidence which contradicts your beliefs. You've framed this discussion so as to (in your eyes) completely disregard any actual complaints. Congratulations, you're stereotypical. |
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Sarahnn
Big Hamster
Joined: 31 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:37 am Post subject: |
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Your thread is completely useless if you're going to ignore evidence which contradicts your beliefs. You've framed this discussion so as to (in your eyes) completely disregard any actual complaints. Congratulations, you're stereotypical. |
The following statement supports my argument and comes from the url that you provided:
"Notwithstanding such attitudes, atheists are legally protected from discrimination in the United States. They have been among the strongest advocates of the legal separation of church and state. American courts have regularly, if controversially, interpreted the constitutional requirement for separation of church and state as protecting the freedoms of non-believers, as well as prohibiting the establishment of any state religion. Atheists often sum up the legal situation with the phrase: "Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion." |
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FFT
Emperor of the Galaxy
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| Sarahnn wrote: | | FFT wrote: | | Your thread is completely useless if you're going to ignore evidence which contradicts your beliefs. [Evidence such as the bits I've posted as well as other parts of the article.] You've framed this discussion so as to (in your eyes) completely disregard any actual complaints. Congratulations, you're stereotypical. |
The following statement supports my argument and comes from the url that you provided:
"Notwithstanding such attitudes, atheists are legally protected from discrimination in the United States. They have been among the strongest advocates of the legal separation of church and state. American courts have regularly, if controversially, interpreted the constitutional requirement for separation of church and state as protecting the freedoms of non-believers, as well as prohibiting the establishment of any state religion. Atheists often sum up the legal situation with the phrase: "Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion." |
Since you're refusing to bother doing that whole "reasonable" thing (and in such an obvious way, no less), I declare that this thread is now for cat pictures.
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Ana
King of the Jungle
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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Location: BC
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| Sarahnn wrote: |
You seem to understand the concept, I shouldn't have to articulate what I am saying any further.
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Yes, we get what you mean NOW, but you're acting as though you articulated as much in the first place, which you didn't. |
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Sarahnn
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Joined: 31 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| Ana wrote: |
.....you're acting as though you articulated as much in the first place, which you didn't. |
It's not an act.  |
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Negative Overload
Growing Guppy
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | The following statement supports my argument and comes from the url that you provided:
"Notwithstanding such attitudes, atheists are legally protected from discrimination in the United States. They have been among the strongest advocates of the legal separation of church and state. American courts have regularly, if controversially, interpreted the constitutional requirement for separation of church and state as protecting the freedoms of non-believers, as well as prohibiting the establishment of any state religion. Atheists often sum up the legal situation with the phrase: "Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion." |
If that's the case, then why are those states FFT listed allowed to discriminate based on beliefs, or lack thereof? Shouldn't those laws have long ago been declared unconstitutional?
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*wanders off to find cat pictures for next time* |
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Sarahnn
Big Hamster
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| Negative Overload wrote: | | Quote: | The following statement supports my argument and comes from the url that you provided:
"Notwithstanding such attitudes, atheists are legally protected from discrimination in the United States. They have been among the strongest advocates of the legal separation of church and state. American courts have regularly, if controversially, interpreted the constitutional requirement for separation of church and state as protecting the freedoms of non-believers, as well as prohibiting the establishment of any state religion. Atheists often sum up the legal situation with the phrase: "Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion." |
If that's the case, then why are those states FFT listed allowed to discriminate based on beliefs, or lack thereof? Shouldn't those laws have long ago been declared unconstitutional? |
The State laws are dumb, I admit. But, no one has tested them yet. In other words, apparently not one whiny Atheist has deemed it necessary to challenge these silly laws. But someone will eventually and I'll tell you what, it will be an Atheist who knows his rights under the Constitution and will seek them and not some whiny Atheist who wants to complain.  |
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