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Tiptronic
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 Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: | Dear Friend:
I did not know that you are a muslim, however, you may fool and deceive people of the west but remember I live in a muslim country and it is compulsory for us to study Islamiat. I did till my under-grad course but thank God that I did not have to take it up for my Masters degree. |
Who am I deceiving and fooling? When did you convert to Christianity Waqar, how many years ago was it?
| Quote: | | I also do not get into discussion with people who have no knowledge and just try to confuse people with misquoting and twisting words. However, for the record, let me correct your inferior knowledge. |
Oh, I didnt know you were an enlightened soul. Carry on.
| Quote: | You said that Amnesty International is not owned by Muslims. I think I should have written that Muslims have HIJACKED it.
History of Amnesty International
Amnesty International was founded in 1961 by Peter Benenson, a British lawyer. It was originally his intention to launch an appeal in Britain with the aim of obtaining an amnesty for prisoners of conscience all over the world.
CHECK LINK
If AI is organized by Roman Catholics then why Vatican has asked all the Roman Catholics to stop supporting AI? |
I didnt say it was organized by the Roman Catholics. I said the founder was a Roman Catholic, which is true. I doubt Amnesty International has any religious affiliation. Christian or Muslim. (Oh boy, I have a feeling my heads gonna hurt after reading the rest of this)
| Waqar wrote: | Peter Benenson
Amnesty International was founded in July 1961 by Peter Benenson, an English lawyer and communist who had converted to Roman Catholicism in 1958. Benenson and his friend Alec Digges, an Irish communist[4], who were also the genesis of the International Brigade Association at the same address (2 Parton Street WC1, London) took control of the Amnesty shell in 1961. At this time, the pressure on their communist front organisation was becoming too great and Peter took Alec's suggestion to operate as a new organisation dedicated to "the call for a general amnesty for prisoners in Spain originally adopted at the Brigade’s 1952 Annual General Meeting"[5]. Peter deflected potential criticism of the communist roots of Amnesty with the story that, while traveling to work, he read of two Portuguese students who had been condemned for having made a toast to freedom[6]. Benenson, without too much fanfare, also quietly traced the idea back to the Spanish Civil War, and he was aware of existing activism in the area, notably the communist-backed 'Appeal for Amnesty in Spain' - not to mention his co-located International Brigade Association in the same office. Thus, Amnesty International began in the summer of 1961 as a year long campaign, 'Appeal for Amnesty, 1961'. The campaign was announced in May 1961 but by July 1961 the leadership had decided that the appeal would form the basis of a permanent organisation, which on 30 September 1962 was officially named 'Amnesty International' (Between the 'Appeal for Amnesty, 1961' and September 1962 the organisation had been know simply as 'Amnesty'). [3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesty_International
Therefore, dear friend, Peter Benenson was a fake Roman Catholic, he only used it to get an international fame but he remained a communist because he kept his communist organization up and running. |
What the....??? I dont really care if he was or wasnt a Catholic. Im not saying AI is a Catholic organisation. 
| Quote: | | Quote: | | So the UN is a chinese organisation because its headed by a Chinese guy? pfft |
For your dim-witted joke and knowledge, Ban Ki-moon is not a Chinese but a South Korean diplomat. |
Big deal, so the UN is now South Korean? Gimme a break.
| Quote: | ROLE OF AI TODAY
Yes it is now being chaired by Irene Khan of which you knew nothing of. She had HIJACKED AI, and AI is only for muslims now. Only Palestianians, Iraqis, Afghanis, Bosnians and Muslims in general are Human Beings.
Last year there was a Christian Youth Conference in New York. Guess who opposed that Conference? Amnesty International. They even went to have a debate with the Pastor on Fox News and even Fox News presenter told the representative of AI that she had been rude and the Pastor had been kind. |
lol....some crazy jihadi lady has hijacked Amnesty International and Britain is shaking in its boots unable to do anything about this blatant act of terrorism. Gimme_a_break. Your sounding like a wacko, so just stop it. I have no time for fools, and your embarrassing your Christian breathen here.
| Quote: | | Now regarding your question about your prophet Mohammed. Yes you are very right saying that He is DEAD. I also believe in that, however, I do believe that he will be raised up for judgement. As you know Koran needs support of Hadiths, and without Hadiths, Koran is nothing. So you need support of Hadiths in understanding a verse from Koran. |
Ahh, those that claim to be Alims of Islam always show their true colours at some point. Quran superceeds Hadith by importance and reverance. No doubt. Quran does not need to be supported by Hadith. Am I really going to be here arguing with the likes of you about my own religion? Is this for real?!
| Quote: | "And the messenger says,"O my Lord, my OWN people have forsaken the Koran." (Koran 25:30)
Will Mohammed will tell Allah while he is dead that his people have forsaken the Koran? Do DEAD people talk??? Here you are rejecting your own faith and Koran. |
Haha...(boy, Ive never laughed at a computer screen before)...you are good.
Read around the text, a few verses back, it always helps 
25:11 Nay they deny the hour (of the judgment to come): but We have prepared a blazing fire for such as deny the hour:
Referring to the Day of Judgement. The verses after this and including the one you quoted are still referring to the Day of Judgement. And in case it passed you by, the world will cease to exist when the Day of Judgement arrives.
| Quote: | All men and women fall unconscious. Muhammad is the first to awake and he sees Moses who may or may not have awoken prior, holding up the Throne of Allah at the mountain of Tur (Sahih Bukhari, book 55 "accounts of the prophets", numbers 610, 620, 626.)
I ask you, do DEAD people fall unconscious? So strange you are rejecting your own faith here? If you continue to argue, then say that the Hadith in Sahih Bukhari is wrong or say that Koran 25:30 is wrong. |
Err yes, dont be a sneaky bugger and cut the hadith short. You missed this part from the beginning: Narrated Abu Said: "The Prophet said, 'People will be struck unconscious on the Day of Resurrection..."
So again, its talking about the Day of Judgement, no no argument here.
| Quote: | | You are rejecting your own faith just to prove me wrong. See what Koran says about people like you. I do not believe in Koran as God inspired or in Mohammed as a prophet, but as you are a muslim so I will quote Koran here just for you. |
Oh boy...here we go...
| Quote: | "...If any do fail to judge by what Allah(God) has sent down (i.e the Koran), they are unbelievers (Kaafiroon)." (Koran 5:45).
"...If any do fail to judge by that which Allah has sent down, they are tyrants (dhilamoon)." (Koran 5:45)
"...If any do fail to judge by that which Allah has sent down, such are evil-livers (fasikoon)." (Koran 5:47) |
Yes yes and yes. I agree to all of them. But see nowhere in the Quran does it talk about Muhammad returning (nor in the hadith for that matter)
| Quote: | | Therefore, dear friend, according to your own faith, you are an UNBELIEVER, a TYRANT and an EVIL-LIVER |
Sweet!
| Quote: | As my faith teaches me, I just pray to God so that He may in His mercy open your heart to the truth of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ.
I do not want to get into discussion with you because you need to learn Koran first, then you need to learn patience, because you can say anything to us but if we talk anything aginst your religion then you will lose patience.
I think instead of trying to confuse us with your twisted words, you must have challenged the references I quoted from Koran about killing people of other faiths.
May God the Father have compassion on you through our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ.
God bless you
Waqar Daniel |
lol
I have always regarding the Pakistani educational system as useless, and you are a fitting product of it. I dont know which wacko supposedly taught you Islam, but you need some serious refresher courses on it. I mean cant you deduce simple statements from text...its called comprehension.
God help you. |
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Waqar-Daniel
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Joined: 18 May 2007
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Location: Lahore, Pakistan
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Dear friend:
Your replies and your insulting remarks make me remember some verse from the Bible.
A fool gives full vent to his anger... Proverbs 29:11
A fool shows his annoyance at once... Proverbs 12:16
You asked for a Koranic verse so I gave it to you, even if my education is poor as you claim but I am more educated than your prophet, whom you all follow, atleast I am not Illiterate.
No where I said, Hadiths are more important than Koran, I said Koran needs its support. I know the difference between Koran and Hadiths. Do answer these:
1. Do you find ways of praying FIVE times a day in Koran?
2. Do you find Hajj ritual in Koran?
3. Is Shariah Law based on Koran?
4. Why do your scholars use Hadiths when they are faced by problems?
I know your tongue will wag around and you will again try to twist things, therefore I am not expecting some sensible answers from you.
Rest of your reply is worthless and I do not get into worthless discussions. Yes you are right in saying that I am enlightened because I am a Christian.
I have NEVER been a muslim, I was born a Christian but I would surely tell you why I am not a Muslim.
Koran 78:31
As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup.
Koran 37:40-48
...They will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.
Koran 44:51-55
...Yes and We shall wed them to dark-eyed houris. (beautiful virgins)
Koran 52:17-20
...They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris (virgins) we shall wed them...
Koran 55:56-57
In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before.Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"
Koran 55:57-58
Virgins as fair as corals and rubies. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny ?"
Koran 56:7-40
...We created the houris (the beautiful women) and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand.. "
Koran 55:70-77
"In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair... Dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man nor Jin will have touched before..
Dear friend, when I am not into adultery so what will I do in your even with 72 yound virgins? Therefore I am not a muslim
Koran 52:24
Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.
Koran 56:17
Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.
Koran 76:19
And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls.
So friend, I also do not like sodomy, so what will I do with all those PREPETUAL young boys?
Koran 37:40-48
But the true servants of God shall be well provided for,...they shall be served with goblet filled at a gushing fountain, white and delicious to those who drink it. It will neither dull their senses nor befuddle them.
Koran 56:7-40
They shall recline on jewelled couches face to face, and there shalt wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine:
So dear friend, sorry I am always calling you friend, which is contrary to your faith, because Allah commanded you not to take friends from Christians. Anyhow, you see I am not into adultery, I am not into gays and I certainly I do not drink. So what will I do in your Allah's paradise, therefore, I am not a muslim.
Yes one more thing as it is written in Koran 55:56-57, Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny?" Well I have denied High-bosomed VIRGINS, Prepetual young boys and wine. You keep them and others like you.
May God bless you and help you to use some decent and educated language. |
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Trinity1
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Joined: 02 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Bumping this up for Tiptronic's purusal. |
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BMZ
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Joined: 20 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: | | Quote: | | Muhammad will return, Amnesty owned by Muslims? I think you're slightly wacky Waqar, though it figures by you converting to Xianity i guess. |
Thank you dear friend. I do not say Muhammed will return, it is Koran that says - I just quoted a belief and nothing else. so I am not at all wacky.
Do remember I am only Christian and there is no proof for wild imagination that you have.
Can you tell me the owner's/President's name of Amnesty International and her nationality? Can you tell me one incident where they supported persecuted Christians?
Waiting for your reply.
God bless you
Waqar Daniel |
Tiptronic is right.
You are *Holy Censor, Batman* wrong, friend. Qur'aan does [b]not[ /b] say anywhere at all that Muhammad will come back. Who taught you that?
Not a single Muslim believes that Muhammad will come back. However, some Muslims believe that Jesus will come back but I do not believe that either as Qur'aan does not say that Jesus will come back.
In fact if you ask me, there is no need for Jesus to come back. The coming back of Jesus is a conjecture. Here is a good site for your reading pleasure.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
BMZ |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| BMZ wrote: | In fact if you ask me, there is no need for Jesus to come back. The coming back of Jesus is a conjecture. Here is a good site for your reading pleasure.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
BMZ[/i] |
Nice site... for JFK conspiracy types. Filed with many facts... distorted facts... out of context facts... and obfuscations.
But... a nice site for the delusional none the less. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| what happened to Tip? |
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Nobby
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Trinity1, Tip's last post was June 20th 07.
I have know idea where he went?  |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobby wrote: | Hi Trinity1, Tip's last post was June 20th 07.
I have know idea where he went? |
I was just wondering where he had gone.... I hadn't been here for about a month and noticed no one ws really participating in this particular forum.... |
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Tiptronic
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Joined: 02 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: | Dear friend:
Your replies and your insulting remarks make me remember some verse from the Bible.
A fool gives full vent to his anger... Proverbs 29:11
A fool shows his annoyance at once... Proverbs 12:16
You asked for a Koranic verse so I gave it to you, even if my education is poor as you claim but I am more educated than your prophet, whom you all follow, atleast I am not Illiterate. |
If I offended you, I apologize.
| Quote: | | No where I said, Hadiths are more important than Koran, I said Koran needs its support. I know the difference between Koran and Hadiths. |
Clearly you dont. Look at your statement again.
"As you know Koran needs support of Hadiths, and without Hadiths, Koran is nothing."
Absolutely wrong. Without hadeeths Quran is nothing?? Nonsense. We look to the Quran first and then hadith and sunnah to clarify. Rather, it is the hadeeth that needs to be confirmed by Quran, not the other way around as you suggest.
Do you know the meaning of Al Furqan? Yes? What does that tell you?
There is even a hadith of the Prophet (saw) that says that anything he says is confirmed by the Quran.
Do answer these:
1. Do you find ways of praying FIVE times a day in Koran? NO.
2. Do you find Hajj ritual in Koran? NO.
3. Is Shariah Law based on Koran? Shariah is based on Quran and Sunnah
4. Why do your scholars use Hadiths when they are faced by problems? We have been given the Quran and the Sunnah, which if we follow we will never go astray. Hence, the sunnah is to be found in hadiths.
I know your tongue will wag around and you will again try to twist things, therefore I am not expecting some sensible answers from you.
Lets make this clear for both of us. Quran is Al Furqan. Hadeeth are very important also but not so much as the Quran. When looking at hadeeths, we look to see if they are in confirmation with the Quran. Hence, this is why the Quran is known as Al Furqan.
| Quote: | | Rest of your reply is worthless and I do not get into worthless discussions. Yes you are right in saying that I am enlightened because I am a Christian. |
Terrible. You know you are wrong. I knew you were wrong and your reply didnt warrant a response from me because it was total nonsense. Yet I still bothered to reply.
| Quote: | | I have NEVER been a muslim, I was born a Christian but I would surely tell you why I am not a Muslim. |
Glad thats cleared up. |
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Tiptronic
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Nobby wrote: | Hi Trinity1, Tip's last post was June 20th 07.
I have know idea where he went? |
I was just wondering where he had gone.... I hadn't been here for about a month and noticed no one ws really participating in this particular forum.... |
Reading these threads again, just reconfirmed why I left in the first place. Not much in the way of debate going on here, less the constant Islam bashing.
Adios. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Tiptronic wrote: | Reading these threads again, just reconfirmed why I left in the first place. Not much in the way of debate going on here, less the constant Islam bashing.
Adios. |
Bashing? Perhaps pointing out factual examples of people acting out on their faith and killing others is 'bashing' to you.
I do have a question... if these folks were Christians killing others in the name of their faith... there would be an outcry as never seen before... not from Muslims though... it would come from other Christians. On the other hand, when these same types of acts of violence are carried out by Muslims, and then the facts surrounding them are discussed... you call it bashing. Why?
Doesn't this all seem just a smidge delusional to you? |
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