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tonytony
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 Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: Where are the 100% verse for verse bible believers? |
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Never a wit test question.
Never a test question on how perfect you are or ever will be at all.
If we're going to have an equal yoke with people in Christ like Paul said in 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 then we need company with bible believers that believe all the bible too.
Let's get real as ever.
If I deal with Paul's teaching in 1 Timothy 2:9-14 do you still believe 2 Timothy 3:16?
If I deal with Paul's teaching on these 2 areas of scripture do you still believe Peter's teaching in
2 Peter 1:20-21?
If I deal with Romans 7:2-3 do you still believe Paul and Peter's teaching I mentioned so far?
Are you a 100% bible believer if Paul said to be one in
2 Timothy 3:16?
Are you a 100% bible believer if Matthew said to be one in Matthew 5:19-20?
Would the Holy Spirit or the Word of God say we really are an equal yoke of people in Christ?
I didn't ask if you have a biography book relationship with Christ.
I didn't ask what day or how long you accepted Christ.
I didn't ask what your faith persuasion is.
I didn't ask if you think self righteous moralism is good enough.
I didn't ask if you believe the bible on grace only.
I didn't ask if you believe the bible on the 10 commandments only.
Only asking if you believe all the bible correctly.
I believe 1 Corinthians 8:2 that's why I'll never hold you bound to a bible wit test flawless all the time. I won't do that to myself. Any man means any man in that verse.
If you flunk the Titus 3:10 test I know what to call you.
If you pass the Titus 3:10 test and rebound back then I know what to call you also. |
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Colter
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Answer:
Jesus trumps Peter, Paul and all others who come saying, the kingdom is here or there predicated on a theology of their own devising.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Do any of these posts make sense to anyone? |
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Ana
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| They make sense to me... |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| Good, could you explain them to me? |
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Ana
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A cursory reading of the first post suggests the poster believes there are contradictions in the bible.
The second implicitly agrees, saying that in such a case, take the words of Jesus over the words of other men.
Going back to the first, it also says that if you think you see a contradiction, it's only because you don't understand, which is fine according to Titus 3:10.
That's what I got out of it, and it makes sense to me. |
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lone-traveler
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Tts 3:9 ¶ But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Tts 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Tts 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
So basically, don't waste your energy on trying to convince something to someone that God hasn't opened their heart to see.
heretick:
hairetikos {hahee-ret-ee-kos'}
1) fitted or able to take or choose a thing
2) schismatic, factious, a follower of a false doctrine
3) heretic
reject:
paraiteomai {par-ahee-teh'-om-ahee}
1) to ask along side, beg to have near one
a) to obtain by entreaty
b) to beg from, to ask for, supplicate
2) to avert by entreaty or seek to avert, to deprecate
a) to entreat that ... not
b) to refuse, decline
c) to shun, avoid
d) to avert displeasure by entreaty
1) to beg pardon, crave indulgence, to excuse
2) of one excusing himself for not accepting a wedding invitation to a feast
subverted:
ekstrepho {ek-stref'-o}
1) to turn or twist out, tear up
2) to turn inside out, invert
3) to change for the worse, pervert, corrupt
Knowing that they have the capacity to understand the message:
1) fitted or able to take or choose a thing
But chooses to be contentuous and prefers to argue and divide then to help build up:
1) to turn or twist out, tear up
And we should excuse ourselves from eating at their table of contention:
2) of one excusing himself for not accepting a wedding invitation to a feast
It doesn't say we are to avoid questions about such things, but rather foolish questions and strivings about those things.
foolish:
moros {mo-ros'}
1) foolish
2) impious, godless
strivings:
mache {makh'-ay}
1) a fight or combat
a) of those in arms, a battle
b) of persons at variance, disputants etc., strife, contention
c) a quarrel
If we discuss an issue and disagree with eachother but are willing and open to learn from eachother, then discussion is good.
But if the discussion should only be for the sake of arguing and causing division, then we should excuse ourselves from the conversation.
The Fight is the Lord's. We share the message but God opens the hearts and minds to be able to recieve it.
Just because someone doesn't understand the message in the beginning, doesn't mean they are a heretick. They are babes that are learning. And in the beginning we are all unequal in our understanding.
But those that have understanding and just enjoy the argument..then these we should avoid.
| Quote: | | If I deal with Paul's teaching in 1 Timothy 2:9-14 do you still believe 2 Timothy 3:16? |
1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
The woman is the church. And the head of the church is Christ. The church should behave as a wife by not decking herself up as a harlot and loud abrasive woman.
She should be led by the Holy Spirit and not try to usurp authority over it's teaching and follow his lead.
Submitting herself to God as a wife would submit to her husband.
The church should be adorned and throughly furnished with good works ( fruits of the spirit).
Is was the church of Israel that overode faith with works. And it was the teaching of works the usurped the authority of faith. In this the woman was decieved.
Faith has never been decieved. But works decieved itself into thinking it was by works that made it righteous.
| Quote: | | If I deal with Romans 7:2-3 do you still believe Paul and Peter's teaching I mentioned so far? |
Rom 7:1 ¶ Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while [her] husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
In the church of Israel/old Jerusalem, the law of works through the ordinances of the law is what Israel had become married to. They married into a covenant of righteousness by works. When Christ came he nailed the ordinances..
righteousness by works to the cross. That husband/covenant became dead because there was no faith in it. It was lifeless.
When Christ/faith came he created a new church Israel/New Jerusalem. One that is not built on ordinances and righteousness by works. The old husband/Adam/head of the church had died. And the new husband/Adam/ head of the church had been recreated without the flaws in the first law.
Christ is the Head/husband of the church which is led by faith as it's foundation and not by works as it's foundation.
Good works are built up on faith. But faith is not built up on works.
| Quote: | | I believe 1 Corinthians 8:2 that's why I'll never hold you bound to a bible wit test flawless all the time. I won't do that to myself. Any man means any man in that verse. |
1Cr 8:2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
1Cr 8:3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
Jhn 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
| Quote: | | Only asking if you believe all the bible correctly. |
That's how I understand it.. 
God Bless
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tonytony
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject: Followup to your comment |
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Sure you got the money hungry people called filthy lucre people in the people. These apostles though we're not filthy lucre people. They turn down a man offering money to have the ability they had to do miracles on people. Coming from Acts 9 if my memory is accurate. Actually you sin against God when you don't financially support the men of God feeding you with the Word of God. Get my bible support from the book of Corinthians. If my memory is accurate it's in 1 Corinthians 9 somewhere. Paul emphasized that if he feed you with spiritual things shouldn't he reap your carnal things. It was this same Paul I believe too that said not to muzzle the oz that threadeth the corn. As we both agree we got funny doctrine stuff out here like never before. Our real caution should be with honest and nice bible teachers that are intentionally maybe 75-90% bible believers only. Their not going to be on the 10:00 or 11:00 news for crime done like the money and religion crooks. Matthew 15:14 is in the bible for a reason. You don't have to despise the new law of grace and truth in Christ like the Pharisees did to be a unbeliever. Anytime somebody intentionally despises any bible verse that makes them what they really are an unbeliever. Yes it's our business to know if we intend on having an equal yoke unity in Christ like 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 tells us to. A 100% believer messing with a 75% bible believer is not a equal yoke. The math is just not there. If all scripture is for doctrine, correction, etc. like Paul said in 2 Timothy 3:16 then it's a believers business to know what people really are. That's the only reason why I'm here. Never bored for cute biography books on how the Lord turn somebodies life around only. You still barely know them. How well you know them with the bible is everything. Again wit test and perfection test are never my motivate for interviewing here. Knowing if your a 100% bible believer correctly is my only motive for coming here. Titus 3:10 can bail out a believer because of the writing found in 1 Corinthians 8:2 mention. It also can expose the fakes at the same time. That's my bible support to prove I'm not interviewing to do wit test and perfection test. Doing an interview test by making you deal with both 2 Timothy 3:16 and other vital bible verses at the same time. That's all the fascination to figure me out.
| Colter wrote: | Answer:
Jesus trumps Peter, Paul and all others who come saying, the kingdom is here or there predicated on a theology of their own devising.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hi tony,
boy you sure did pack a lot into that paragraph.. 
| Quote: | | Actually you sin against God when you don't financially support the men of God feeding you with the Word of God. |
The hard part is knowing if it's good food or not so good food. You can feed anyone anything if their hungry enough to eat it.
Luk 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if [he ask] a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
After awhile it all tastes like chicken...unless you can taste the difference. But theres a lot of tongues out there that don't try a variety of foods. And without testing for flavor and always eating the same thing, how would one know if it's fish or snake...
that's why we have the four food groups...
| Quote: | | Paul emphasized that if he feed you with spiritual things shouldn't he reap your carnal things. It was this same Paul I believe too that said not to muzzle the oz that threadeth the corn. |
Let's see those verses:
1Cr 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
1Cr 9:10 Or saith he [it] altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, [this] is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
1Cr 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, [is it] a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? (that's a question not a statement.)
1Cr 9:12 If others be partakers of [this] power over you, [are] not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
1Cr 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live [of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
1Cr 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
How would you interpret that tony?
Is Paul saying that for exchange of spiritual things, I want your carnal things? Or is he saying, we don't want your carnal things. If we sow unto you spiritual things then why are we reaping carnal things? Shouldn't we be reaping the same from you?
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Mat 10:9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
Mat 10:10 Nor scrip for [your] journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
Mat 10:11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.
How would you determine who is worthy in a city or town? And it's those who are found worthy that recieve meat for meat....
Mat 10:12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.
Mat 10:13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
Mat 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
| Quote: | | A 100% believer messing with a 75% bible believer is not a equal yoke. The math is just not there. If all scripture is for doctrine, correction, etc. like Paul said in 2 Timothy 3:16 then it's a believers business to know what people really are. |
I have had my moments with everyone in the bible from time to time. I've blamed most of them for lying or decieving or stealing or murder...
We all start out with 1% and then we grow from there. We don't all start out at 100% then we would know everything and where would the learning be?
When Jesus called his disciples, they had some knowledge of scripture. And there were many sinners and publicans that knew nothing at all. This didn't stop Jesus from teaching them, eating with them, staying in their houses...answering their questions...
Gee, look at Paul..smartest guy in the jewish religion. But even he needed to be retaught the meanings of scripture. I'm sure he didn't figure it out all over night.
His understanding had to be reprogrammed from the way he had been brought up and taught.
So when you say only 100% believers should be in contact with the same, then your leaving out almost the whole world that is learning and growing.
| Quote: | | Knowing if your a 100% bible believer correctly is my only motive for coming here. Titus 3:10 can bail out a believer because of the writing found in 1 Corinthians 8:2 mention. It also can expose the fakes at the same time. |
Not necessarily fakes tony. We all go through times of testing. And as we grow there does appear to be a whole bunch of contradictions in the bible. And you could just walk away right then and there and say their all liars and be done with it. Or you can just keep pushing through and not give up trying to untie the contradictions and find the truth in them and how they fit together.
Luk 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
I've gone through a lot of testing..  , I've torn the bible in half and only believed one side of the story or the other. I've taken it apart line by line and wanted to cut out those things I didn't understand. I've thrown it in the trash just to pull it out and wipe it off and begin again.
You can't give up on the 75% or the 50% or the 10% believers or even the 1%. Because we were all there once. And where would we be now if the Lord had given up on us?... 
Sometimes you make it into the 100% just to get knocked down and start all over again..LOL..
But you can't give up. And you can't give up on others.
God didn't give up on us. So we do unto others as we'd have done unto us.
(what's a wit test?)... 
God Bless
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RevJP
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| Have you ever wondered if people write like they think? |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:00 am Post subject: |
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I'll have to think about that..  |
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tonytony
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:54 am Post subject: Floor is still open |
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Any 100% bible believers out there.
Never a wit test done on people.
Never a perfection test done on you.
You know how you react to bible verses such as:
Romans 7:2-3
1 Timothy 2:9-14
It's a bible believers business to find out if we're going to obey what Paul said in 2 Corinthians 6:14-17.
It's our business to if we're going to obey the teaching in:
2 Timothy 3:16
2 Peter 1:20-21
Amos 3:3
Galations 1:8-9
Matthew 15:14
Psalms 133:1
A 100% bible believer and a 85% bible believer together is not an equal yoke if we're going to obey the teaching in
2 Corinthians 6:14-17 throughly. The math is just not there. Excuse my grammar if your radical for grammar scholars. That what help God's people have an equal
yoke of unity like God totally intended. I can't help confused people when the bible verses are exposing the urgency of the matter for equal yoke unity. Either your one of God's children that hear his voice or not. I don't know what you are until I know your reaction to his book where ever. That fair enough? Just be fair enough to expose and make known what you are. I simply take a bible believer stand on this equal yoked unity business that Paul and God encouraged in the first place. Never caring about your persuasion or philosophy to any verse. Your either a 100% bible believer or your not. You a real child of God we don't have to explain long what the urgency of the matter is here. |
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RevJP
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tonytony
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: Floor is still open |
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If your a 100% bible believer I won't confuse you forever with the urge of the matter before us.
Are we equal yoked Christians with any bible verse like Paul and Jesus had fully in mind?
Dealing with 2 Corinthians 6:14-17.
Now dealing with 1 Timothy 2:9-14
Next dealing with Romans 7:2-3
Can you honestly say your a 2 Timothy 3:16 bible believer once I test your reaction to the top 3 verses ?
Can you honestly say your a 2 Peter 1:20-21 bible believer once I test your reaction to the top 3 verses?
It's no wit test. Never a perfection test.
Either your a 100% bible believer or not.
I'm courageous enough to say a 85% bible believer will freak out confused when a real 100% bible believer is testing their reaction out with the book on them. 100% bible believers should be looking for each other since they believe in equal yoke unity. Nothing too mysterious about that. They can't relate to the philosophers and toleraters of philosophy with this book nor can they relate to any despisers of this book in whatever verse.
Can you honestly say your a Matthew 5:19-20 bible believer once I test your reaction to the top 3 verses above?
I apologize I'm no wit in grammar but I sure am a 100% bible believer? What about you?
Hopefully we're looking for each other so we're not letting 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 be a verse written in vain.
I don't believe God wanted his people to have a unequal yoke with 85% bible believers only?
After reading 2 Timothy 3:16 I refuse to believe so.
After reading Matthew 5:19-20 I refuse to believe so.
The Holy Spirit or the Word of God has me go on to more confirming verses on this matter such as:
Amos 3:3
Psalms 133:1
Galations 1:8-9
Titus 3:10
Again Matthew 5:19-20, etc.
I said enough whether I'm a witty grammar graduate or not. Are we children of the same Father in heaven?
You tell me if your the real deal. God said it's my business to know. I don't know if we're in agreement and unity with all the book from heaven until I test your response and find out. |
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SealedEternal
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Floor is still open |
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| tonytony wrote: | | Any 100% bible believers out there. |
Yes.
| Quote: | You know how you react to bible verses such as:
Romans 7:2-3
1 Timothy 2:9-14 |
Marriage is for as long as you both shall live, and remarriage while your spouse lives is adultery.
Women do need to be modest.
| Quote: | | It's a bible believers business to find out if we're going to obey what Paul said in 2 Corinthians 6:14-17. |
We should not be bound with unbelievers.
| Quote: | It's our business to if we're going to obey the teaching in:
2 Timothy 3:16
2 Peter 1:20-21
Amos 3:3
Galations 1:8-9
Matthew 15:14
Psalms 133:1 |
I do.
| Quote: | A 100% bible believer and a 85% bible believer together is not an equal yoke if we're going to obey the teaching in
2 Corinthians 6:14-17 throughly. The math is just not there. Excuse my grammar if your radical for grammar scholars. That what help God's people have an equal
yoke of unity like God totally intended. I can't help confused people when the bible verses are exposing the urgency of the matter for equal yoke unity. Either your one of God's children that hear his voice or not. I don't know what you are until I know your reaction to his book where ever. That fair enough? Just be fair enough to expose and make known what you are. I simply take a bible believer stand on this equal yoked unity business that Paul and God encouraged in the first place. Never caring about your persuasion or philosophy to any verse. Your either a 100% bible believer or your not. You a real child of God we don't have to explain long what the urgency of the matter is here. |
You either accept Jesus Christ as Lord 100% of the time or you don't. There is no such thing as a child of God who is anything less. An 85% "christian" is no better off than an unbeliever.
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