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temporary
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 Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 12:51 pm Post subject: Magnum PI |
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Repost. Posted it in the wrong forum the first time.
I preferred to drag the post over here as opposed to sifting through your old posts.
| Magnum PI wrote: | | temporary wrote: | How about the Flood and Noah's Ark, for starters. Or perhaps the fact that it was once believed that the earth was flat and the center of the universe. What about the eclipse, thunder, storms, wind, rain, etc.....all believed to be the result of 'God' being "angry" with something that 'mankind' did only to find out years/centuries later it had absolutely nothing to do with 'God' at all.
That's not evidence that God doesn't exist. |
Sure it is. Especially since the above is given as evidence for God's existence (i.e., God made the Flood happen, God told Noah to build the Ark, etc.) and we know now that those things never happened in the manner in which they were described in the Bible. |
No, that doesn't make sense. God's existence cannot be disproven by disproving notions about God. What is disproven is God's alleged historical role in intervening on Earth.
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| Magnum PI wrote: | | Magnum PI wrote: | Hey, in the spirit of this debate how about the fact that the Bible says 'God' creates you and puts you in the womb. Hmmm....nope. That was proven wrong [i]long ago. [/i]
The "created you" could refer to your soul, or to the doctrine that since God created all, he created the possibility of pregnancy. |
Oh come on, you and I both know that to the religious minded it means as sarajane believes. That you are the result of God and not a natural part of biological reproduction. |
I don't read minds. This is what I believe: a child is created through biological reproduction. God provides the soul. Everything, including reproduction, is ultimately the result of God.
| Magnum PI wrote: | | Quote: | | To my knowledge, neither has been disproven. |
Science has conclusively proven that there is no 'God' involved in the natural processes of reproduction of any given species on this planet. More specifically, there is nothing 'divine' about biological reproduction among us Homo Sapiens. |
What scientific discovery disproved the existence of a soul?
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Magnum PI
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Magnum PI |
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| temporary wrote: | MPI - How about the Flood and Noah's Ark, for starters. Or perhaps the fact that it was once believed that the earth was flat and the center of the universe. What about the eclipse, thunder, storms, wind, rain, etc.....all believed to be the result of 'God' being "angry" with something that 'mankind' did only to find out years/centuries later it had absolutely nothing to do with 'God' at all.
That's not evidence that God doesn't exist.
MPI - Sure it is. Especially since the above is given as evidence for God's existence (i.e., God made the Flood happen, God told Noah to build the Ark, etc.) and we know now that those things never happened in the manner in which they were described in the Bible.
No, that doesn't make sense. God's existence cannot be disproven by disproving notions about God. What is disproven is God's alleged historical role in intervening on Earth. |
 Please...you're barking up the wrong tree temp. That which is described in the Bible is not a "notion" of or about God. Devoted religious people (especially at this website) take the Bible as the literal 'Word of God.' Hence, what it says happened and is proof of His existence. To the religious, the Bible ('The Word of God') is not a notion about God, it is God. Meaning, it is an extension of Him and through the Bible and one's personal faith they can experience 'God,' and for that they believe in His existence.
| Quote: | MPI - Hey, in the spirit of this debate how about the fact that the Bible says 'God' creates you and puts you in the womb. Hmmm....nope. That was proven wrong long ago.
The "created you" could refer to your soul, or to the doctrine that since God created all, he created the possibility of pregnancy.
MPI - Oh come on, you and I both know that to the religious minded it means as sarajane believes. That you are the result of God and not a natural part of biological reproduction.
I don't read minds. This is what I believe: a child is created through biological reproduction. God provides the soul. |
Nice backpeddaling. That is not what you originally said. Nevertheless, it is entirely a subjective opinion. The abortion debate is based and depends on empirical evidence, not conjectural religious opinions.
| Quote: | | Everything, including reproduction, is ultimately the result of God. |
Please...I guess this means that God and your father and a threesome with your mother. I mean, how else could God have a hand in your conception. After all, "the reproduction" that spawned you was "the result of God," right.
| Quote: | To my knowledge, neither has been disproven.
MPI - Science has conclusively proven that there is no 'God' involved in the natural processes of reproduction of any given species on this planet. More specifically, there is nothing 'divine' about biological reproduction among us Homo Sapiens.
What scientific discovery disproved the existence of a soul? |
HELLO! The issue being discussed is biological reproduction...not whether or not that which is conceived actually possesses a soul. Try sticking to the topic of discussion please.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:52 am Post subject: Re: Magnum PI |
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| Magnum PI wrote: | MPI - Sure it is. Especially since the above is given as evidence for God's existence (i.e., God made the Flood happen, God told Noah to build the Ark, etc.) and we know now that those things never happened in the manner in which they were described in the Bible.
No, that doesn't make sense. God's existence cannot be disproven by disproving notions about God. What is disproven is God's alleged historical role in intervening on Earth. |
Please...you're barking up the wrong tree temp. That which is described in the Bible is not a "notion" of or about God. Devoted religious people (especially at this website) take the Bible as the literal 'Word of God.' Hence, what it says happened and is proof of His existence. To the religious, the Bible ('The Word of God') is not a notion about God, it is God. Meaning, it is an extension of Him and through the Bible and one's personal faith they can experience 'God,' and for that they believe in His existence.[/quote]
Not everyone who believes in God believes that the Bible is God. For the sake of expediency and to keep on topic as much as possible, I'm arguing from a deist prospective.
Besides that...
no·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nshn)
n.
A belief or opinion.
"The Bible IS God" is a notion about God in itself. My statement was not fallacious.
| Magnum PI wrote: | MPI - Oh come on, you and I both know that to the religious minded it means as sarajane believes. That you are the result of God and not a natural part of biological reproduction.
I don't read minds. This is what I believe: a child is created through biological reproduction. God provides the soul. |
| Quote: | | Nice backpeddaling. That is not what you originally said. Nevertheless, it is entirely a subjective opinion. The abortion debate is based and depends on empirical evidence, not conjectural religious opinions. |
I fail to see the backpeddaling. I suggested those two explanations as possibly (note, possibly) being what "the religious minded" meant. You responded, saying that I knew differently. I don't know differently, and unless "the religious minded" somehow collectively specified to you what they meant, you don't know either. Unless you're capable of reading minds.
I agree that beliefs concerning the soul have no place in a debate on the legality of abortion.
| Magnum PI wrote: | | Quote: | | Everything, including reproduction, is ultimately the result of God. |
Please...I guess this means that God and your father and a threesome with your mother. I mean, how else could God have a hand in your conception. After all, "the reproduction" that spawned you was "the result of God," right. |
No. This is what I meant: If God created all, he created both human beings and their ability to reproduce. Reproduction is ultimately the result of God because God created the ability and the 'doers'. I'm sorry if I was less clear in the preceding statement. I believe we're just talking semantics here.
| Magnum PI wrote: | MPI - Science has conclusively proven that there is no 'God' involved in the natural processes of reproduction of any given species on this planet. More specifically, there is nothing 'divine' about biological reproduction among us Homo Sapiens.
What scientific discovery disproved the existence of a soul? |
| Quote: | | HELLO! The issue being discussed is biological reproduction...not whether or not that which is conceived actually possesses a soul. Try sticking to the topic of discussion please. |
The soul entered the discussion when I gave those two explanations for sarajane's statement. But I'll honor your request here, and drop it. I agree that God does not biologically take part in reproduction.
Edit: Why is "*I Think Your Mom's Calling...Time To Go Home Now*" replacing "when I gave" in the above paragraph?
Edit 2: LOL.... why is "w.h.e.n. I. g.a.v.e." being replaced by that?
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Van
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2003 12:52 pm Post subject: Test |
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I did a test and when you type n space i space g, you get the subsitution, but if you just type nig you do not get the subsitution.
It appears that the edit function has been corrupted. |
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That censor is for variations of a slur against persons of african descent.
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Magnum PI
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| Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2003 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Magnum PI |
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| temporary wrote: | | I agree that God does not biologically take part in reproduction. |
Thank you!
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| Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 7:33 am Post subject: |
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Any thoughts on the rest, Magnum? Particularly the "Notions about God" part?
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Ryck
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| Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Magnum PI |
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| Magnum PI wrote: |
Devoted religious people (especially at this website) take the Bible as the literal 'Word of God.' Hence, what it says happened and is proof of His existence. |
Nothing wrong about that, Magnum.  You, of course, object to it but it is your mental disposition not to believe in God.
Why do you object to people believing in God? What's your problem?
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To the religious, the Bible ('The Word of God') is not a notion about God, it is God. Meaning, it is an extension of Him and through the Bible and one's personal faith they can experience 'God,' and for that they believe in His existence.
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Correction. The Bible is not God. Believers of the Bible consider it God's Word. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Bump for Magnum. In a nutshell...
"The Bible is God" is a notion about God. Every reference to God in the bible is a notion about God.
God's existence cannot be disproven by disproving notions about God.
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