Inerrant Biblical Truth

John R Nolan · Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject: ATHEISM is a religion too.

Hallo Argenta.

Sorry to have implied you are an American, I detected the problem, re-wrote some of my response with hope to alieviate that implication, and apologize profusely, though, being a Pom, isn't all that much better. Very Happy

It appears you have neglected to address some of the points made re Auguste's comprehension and ability to love.

Your little story was blatantly obvious in its intent, the typing, etc. could not be mistaken.
That you failed to appreciate my continuation of your story, in like manner, is sad.
We have not established that Auguste has no comprehension of love nor that his expression of love was not at a much more pure and compassionate level than his son, the community nor yourself are capable to appreciate.

That you are trying to compare a Spiritual Being's behaviour with that of mere mortals is a little ludicrous, though it is a common ploy of atheists, religious idiots and the general populace.
Humanizing GOD, trying to bring HIM down to our level is a rather foolish game.

Considering that HE CREATED, (made out of nothing) all that we, through our five limited senses perceive, one would consider HIM to be more worthy of respect, honour, than the scientists, mathematicians, scholars who so far have really only invented a million and one new ways to obliterate all forms of life from the planet on which we dwell.
By the way, how did we get to live on this planet?

GOD quite openly confesses that HE creates evil, Is.45:7; which HE uses as a tool, a means, to seperate HIS children from those who are descendants of the beast.

Yes, according to Scripture, the human species was hybridized right at the start of time, when the beast planted his seed in the womb of Eve.
We find Eve is the mother of ALL living, (human), but nowhere do we read that Adam is the father of ALL living. (Gen.3:1-20; 1 Jn.3:12)

To consider your parallels fair one would also have to suggest it is fair for us to ask you to accept Scriptural evidence as legitimate bases on which to place our debate.

Yes, GOD uses an interesting range of social experiments, scientific means to measure the responses of various, widely diverse specimens of human life, in HIS process of establishing, in a viable and indisputable manner, those which are of HIS line and those which are of an hybrid, defective species.

In this HIS experiments are just, legitimate and clearly verifiable.

As far as displaying sociopathic behaviour, one would suggest that it is the children who are NOT of HIS line, who are demonstrating the most perverse, insane and aggressively, psychotic, sociopathic behaviours.

Alternately, we could deduce that there is ONE GOD, WHO, for HIS own purposes, allowed a genetically impure species to co-exist on this planet, for a specific periodd of time, to

a. Determine if they were able to attain sufficient intelligence to recognize that they are created beings who needed to learn of and fall in line with the pre-requisites of their Creator, or

b. To allow those of HIS created genus to recognize their differences to the other species withwhom they are now co-habiting, and encourage His children to seperate themselves from the others, lest they all fall into the fire, the demonic inferno the hybrids are manufacturing for themselves.

That 87% of Americans, and no doubt an higher percentage of Moslems, Hindus, etc. will profess to believe in a god is good.
Religion or religious natures in no way imply that those worshipping have the slightest idea of what they worship, who it is, nor can they produce any evidence to vindicate their beliefs.

That the U.K. is not the most godless society on the planet is surely something to be proud of, Australians believe mainly in beer, football, cricket, gambling and sex, which are their gods.

Yes, religion IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF ALL SOCIAL DYSFUNCTION, for religion has deserted the moral truths and codes taught in the Bible, in place of money, big mausoleums, temples, perverse doctrines and dogma of man.
If the spiritual leaders of any nation are corrupt how can any expect their congregations to manifest anything different?

That we are at the climax of time.
Read some of the Scientific journals describing how global warming is destroying our planet.
Check the wars, rumours of wars, the new plagues, AIDS, etc., the explosion of homosexuality, every form of human perversity now covering the earth.

That you do not understand that LOVE is a dimension, a state of mind, so far surpassing anything we humans can emulate also suggests there is no way either myself, nor any other, will be able to help you to see outside your conditioned, pre-destinated immersion in the physical realm.
Nor that you, as the majority of the earth's populace, have the slightest comprehension of the Spiritual world in which we dwell.
GOD bless you Argenta, look forward to hearing from you, in Christian LOVE
JOHN

Argenta · Labrador Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 322 Location: UK

John R Nolan · Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: Atheism 6

Hallo Argenta, thank you for your well thought out response, as usual.
What you state is irrefutable and it is my confession that I am basing my beliefs on, for you and others like yourself, a house of cards.
I have no means to refute what you say, and, in this light permit you to regard me as a fool.
That is the basis of Christianity, a system of beliefs founded on the un-provable writings of a number of authors who produced a Book, many years ago, relating to experiences they had, curious experiences they witnessed, of which we have no proof other than certain historical records.
Of course, these historical records are now impossible to validate, being compiled by men and open to any level of manipulation and alteration.
Much like all our historical records.
Did James Cook discover Australia, or was he the first to make claim to it, which could be defended with military strength?
No doubt you have read 1984, by George Orwell, and BRAVE NEW WORLD, by Aldous Huxley, which helps us understand that those who control the printing press control history.
Media has changed little, 'PROOFS OF A CONSPIRACY" by James Robson, and much other literature shows us that man is intrinsically evil in his nature; that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I thought my response did adequately answer your three questions, but will revise that matter here.

1. No, I do not believe Auguste mirrored the attitude and position of God, he being a man, born with a death sentence and little hope of experiencing life outside this dimension.
Your examples are sound, and, in this dimension, under human comprehension, totally valid.
As Christians we are instructed to put on the mind of Christ, which means to recognize the sensual limitations of our thought processes and suceed to a superior mental comprehension.

2. Yes, God tests us, that is the purpose of our coming into this dimension, to determine whether we will try to do things our way or recognize that we are incapable of comprehending the infinite, eternal realm which exists outside this dimension we call time.
As you well know, time is nothhing more than a measurement of motion, what causes and controls the motion?
Our testing is solely to establish whether we choose to believe the God Who has, through His Book, revealed Himself to His children, or to choose to take an alternate path, as Eve appears to have done in the beginning.

3. No, God only hides Himself from those who chose not to look or who are so blinded by pride, arrogance, self-esteem etc., and have no ability to recognize their infintisimal relevance to the magnitude of eternity that they are incapable of seeing beyond the end of their theories.

4. Yes, my God only wants me to love Him, which is reasonable. One would imagine, as in any marital relationship, that the husband would desire that his wife would be faithful, honest, loyal only to him. If you are married, do you not expect and hope for that from your wife?

Yes, God created hell for those who reject His offer of salvation, assistance, love, and He gave the world an option on that offer. Whether you or any others choose to take advantage of that offer is the individual's personal responsibility. There is no where that one can force an other to make any decision about their life style, beliefs and goals.
Christians have taken advantage of a FREE GIFT offer, "and there's more.", which is our choice. Whether we are right or wrong is to be determined by what happes in the future, and that also is a choice.

A savage and inhuman punishment, sounds like Belsen, or the Gulags, or maybe the horrific social destruction which results from the sale of alcoholic products, drugs, motor cars, guns, atomic weapons, etc.
Does offer much in the way of options, does it?

Yes, any human being who behaves unfairly toward another deserves condemnation, but, does God punish those who are innocent or guilty of crime, (sin)?
He made the board game and the rules, who are you or I to debate the matter.

As you do not believe God exists you are therefore incapable of comprehending the manner in which He thnks and conducts Himself, so you are debating from a faulty basis.

Yes, these claims are unsubstantiated, surely, except for the fact that you and I exist and are conversing as we are. Are we only figments of some gargoyle's imagination maybe? That is all the proof I have, I AM.

The beast, the cosmos, the foolishness of man to prove, outside of sensual identification, his own existence as a reality, not able to accept that he may only be a minute string in a computer game.

That I need to get a grip, my friend, is a wise suggestion, but, may I ask, what on?
What you are holding does not seem all that re-assuring nor viable on a long term basis.
God bless you mate, and when are you blokes going to learn to play cricket? Very Happy

John

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Argenta · Labrador Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 322 Location: UK

John R Nolan · Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:17 am Post subject: Inerrancy 8

Hallo Argenta
Thank you for your response, it is good to hear from you. I really appreciate your position, the depth of your understanding and greatly enjoy your ability to present your case.

As for my own wishing to be a better person; when I consider what I was BEFORE I accepted the position I now enjoy, I doubt there is much room left for improvement, except maybe in the arrogance area, Cool

but, I believe as I believe and that, as with yourself, is all we can finally rest our case on.

"When I was a child I spake as a child, but now we have put away childish things and address the meat of the Word, not the treacherous doctrines and dogma produced through scholarly personal interpretation of GOD'S Word.
If the scholars have it right, how come they have over 20,000 denominations, all professing to believe the same Bible, yet are incapable, except on the most fundamental levels, of agreement?

Yes, I understand the world you speak of. For some years I argued, debated from your side of the fence, to good effect, and now regret that I did not have the comprehension I now have.
If I am wrong, praise the Lord, if right, praise the Lord too.
I am happy to continue our communication on any issues you may wish to raise, and I expect you will accept that I am happy as I am. If I can point you to what the Scripture says, I will, I have no personal interpretations, though, of course, many will contest that claim.

That I have no wish to re-adopt the confusion, the frustration and limited comprehension of the cosmos, the macro and micro extremeties of reality which were experienced previously is my choice.
Really enjoy talking with you and thanks for the wrap.

You may be surprised to know there are more Christians who have similar beliefs, attitudes, as myself.
You have only been locking horns with religiously indoctrinated, denominationally brain-washed, Pharisitical bigots, who are terrified of TRUTH and incapable of discussion outside their denominational parameters.
God bless you and I look forward to hearing from you.
John.