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nana
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 Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:10 am Post subject: God hates a physical Sabbath |
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Greetings,
And is it any wonder why? I wonder if there was fighting over the Sabbath like there is now?
Isaiah 1:13-14, "Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them."
Romans 7:14, "For we know that the law is spiritual:..."
At the coming of Christ we were to worship God in Spirit and in Truth.
The Sabbath is Spiritual and in us.
The spirit says that when you believe in God you have entered into the rest: everyday is the Sabbath.
Heb 4:3-4, "For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, as I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works."
It is scriptual for us to come together at any time one chooses, but as for the Sabbath, the Sabbath dwells in us.
In Christ, Judy |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| Well said Judy, well said. |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| good stuff...rightly divided and amen to it...if i may say so... |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Isaiah 1:13-14, "Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them."
what is vain? Those things which are done without faith are vain.
Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth:
God doesn't say He hates his new moons and appointed feasts, he says he hates YOURS.
So we should learn who's is who's before we go condemning anyones..I would think..
God Bless
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RND
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | Isaiah 1:13-14, "Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them."
what is vain? Those things which are done without faith are vain.
Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth:
God doesn't say He hates his new moons and appointed feasts, he says he hates YOURS.
So we should learn who's is who's before we go condemning anyones..I would think..
God Bless
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Wow! Good post Lone. 
Matthew 15:3
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: |
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so rnd you admit that you and other 7da's are in error for passing judgement on sunday gatherers..
since you agreed that none should condemn anyone elses?...
then all those post by the 7da's that spewed lies about sunday gatherers worshiping satan and are not going toheaven....you are sayng they are full of the lying, holy cow pud batman the bible says they are?...
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RND
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | so rnd you admit that you and other 7da's are in error for passing judgement on sunday gatherers.. |
TSS is it? Can you show me where I've ever done such a thing on this board? Even once.
If you feel the slightest twinge from anything I write you may want to look behind you, the Holy Spirit may be gaining on you! (A play on a famous quote by Satchell Paige!)
| Quote: | since you agreed that none should condemn anyone elses?...
then all those post by the 7da's that spewed lies about sunday gatherers worshiping satan and are not going toheaven....you are sayng they are full of the lying, holy cow pud batman the bible says they are?...
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Now, if you are asking me if Sunday keepers are being obedient, well that's another question entirely. Most, unfortunately, do not know they are being disobedient to the Word of God.
It is a shame that they have allowed themselves to be taken in by charletins and soothsayers masquerading as pastors that should know better, but are happy to teach the ecumenical cards they've been given.
The one's I truly feel for are those that do indeed know better, and refuse to submit to, and teach, the authority of God.
Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:16 am Post subject: |
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to tell the truth rnd...i haven't read but two post by you...so please don't flatter yourself so...also...
| rnd wrote: | Now, if you are asking me if Sunday keepers are being obedient, well that's another question entirely. Most, unfortunately, do not know they are being disobedient to the Word of God.
It is a shame that they have allowed themselves to be taken in by charletins and soothsayers masquerading as pastors that should know better, but are happy to teach the ecumenical cards they've been given.
The one's I truly feel for are those that do indeed know better, and refuse to submit to, and teach, the authority of God.
Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. |
far out...now...please show where we are told not to worship on sunday...or not to gather on sunday....unless you are a charletin who is masquarading like one who is teaching the bible and only pushing out of contect unrightly divided man made imagination...
so now once more...
show in the bible where it is wrong for people to gather on sunday as you have implied...show where it is wrong to gather to worship on any given day....please... |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:19 am Post subject: |
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RND
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | to tell the truth rnd...i haven't read but two post by you...so please don't flatter yourself so...also... |
I'm going to guess that since you won't take the trouble to examine the posts I've made, which is roughly 399 and counting, that I have never judged anyone on this board for being a sunday keeper.
I'll take it from your lack of an answer to my direct question that you know better about me.
Truth be told however it is more than obvious I judge no one for being a sunday keeper.
| Quote: | far out...now...please show where we are told not to worship on sunday...or not to gather on sunday....unless you are a charletin who is masquarading like one who is teaching the bible and only pushing out of contect unrightly divided man made imagination...
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Exodus 20:8
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Jesus died on the preparation day, and was raised on the first day of the week.
John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Mark 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Now, using common sense, which I know you have, what day to people "traditionally" worship as the resurrection day?
Sunday right? So, we can logically conclude that the "first day of the week" was Sunday.
So now, if by our current "tradition" we recognize resurrection day as being Sunday and thus the Biblical "first day of the week" and add six days to the "first day of the week" then what day is the "seventh day?"
Monday? No
Tuesday? No.
Wednesday? No.
Thursday? No.
Friday? That's the "Preparation day."
Saturday? I think we have a winner.
| Quote: | so now once more...
show in the bible where it is wrong for people to gather on sunday as you have implied...show where it is wrong to gather to worship on any given day....please... |
As you wish....
Exodus 20:8
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Jesus died on the preparation day, and was raised on the first day of the week.
John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Mark 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Now, using common sense, which I know you have, what day to people "traditionally" worship as the resurrection day?
Sunday right? So, we can logically conclude that the "first day of the week" was Sunday.
So now, if by our current "tradition" we recognize resurrection day as being Sunday and thus the Biblical "first day of the week" and add six days to the "first day of the week" then what day is the "seventh day?"
Monday? No
Tuesday? No.
Wednesday? No.
Thursday? No.
Friday? That's the "Preparation day."
Saturday? I think we have a winner. |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Probably everyone is going to disagree with me here on all sides of the isles but what the hay. I can only put here What is written in the bible and what it says.
Exd 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Does this verse say we are supposed to gather and congragate together on the sabbath?
Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
how did God command us to keep the sabbath day?
God's law is spiritual.
What does this law mean spiritually?
abide ye every man in his place
and let no man go out of his place, on the seventh day?
what is his place? How do we apply it. Is it our houses our bodies, go out of our minds..??? what is God telling us NOT to do on the sabbath day.
We know we ARE told to rest.
But what are we told NOT to do.
And how do we keep this commandment?
God Bless
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: |
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thank you rnd for showing why you believe folks should gather on the sabbath....but that is not what i asked you for...not even close...here is what i have asked you to do already...
| tss wrote: | show in the bible where it is wrong for people to gather on sunday as you have implied...show where it is wrong to gather to worship on any given day....please...
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you see i ask you to show how it is wrong or where the bible says it is wrong to gather on any given day...
you have failed...
you have shown where GOD in the o.t. told the israelites to speciallyt gather on their sabbath...that is not what i asked for...
i saw no where in the scriptures you provided where it says not to gather on any other days...
so...
once more...
you made a brasen and bold comment that cannot be supported by scriptures...if so do so...
show where it si wrong to gather on sunday...monday...or anyday to worship...also...
| rnd wrote: | Monday? No
Tuesday? No.
Wednesday? No.
Thursday? No.
Friday? That's the "Preparation day."
Saturday? I think we have a winner |
i have never seen anywhere in my bible where any of those names for days are mentioned...
also...your own words show you to be unable to follow what you yourself have said...read carefully...
| rnd wrote: | | I'm going to guess that since you won't take the trouble to examine the posts I've made, which is roughly 399 and counting, that I have never judged anyone on this board for being a sunday keeper. |
but read this post not made an hour or two ago...
| Quote: | Now, if you are asking me if Sunday keepers are being obedient, well that's another question entirely. Most, unfortunately, do not know they are being disobedient to the Word of God.
It is a shame that they have allowed themselves to be taken in by charletins and soothsayers masquerading as pastors that should know better |
so yes sir...you have judged sunday keepers..unless you are saying the pastors of churches that gather on sunday are not sunday keepers......and you have shown me you don't know what you say from one post to the next...
good day sir...please pay more attention to your own babblings in the future... |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| rnd wrote: | | I'm going to guess that since you won't take the trouble to examine the posts I've made, which is roughly 399 and counting |
tell you what...as soon as you take the trouble to read all 4000 plus of mine...i will read yours...until then...
your comment shows me that you think more highly of yourself than you ought to...
why should i read all your post sir?... |
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RND
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | rnd wrote: | | I'm going to guess that since you won't take the trouble to examine the posts I've made, which is roughly 399 and counting |
tell you what...as soon as you take the trouble to read all 4000 plus of mine...i will read yours...until then...
your comment shows me that you think more highly of yourself than you ought to...
why should i read all your post sir?... |
Because you acused me of being judgmental.
"so rnd you admit that you and other 7da's are in error for passing judgement on sunday gatherers..
I asked you to show me where I've ever said anything judgmental against a sunday keeper.
Since you can't, or won't, I can assume you were making a false statement against me. Have I said anything false about you? Then why say something false against me? |
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RND
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | thank you rnd for showing why you believe folks should gather on the sabbath |
| Quote: | ....but that is not what i asked you for...not even close...here is what i have asked you to do already...
| tss wrote: | show in the bible where it is wrong for people to gather on sunday as you have implied...show where it is wrong to gather to worship on any given day....please...
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you see i ask you to show how it is wrong or where the bible says it is wrong to gather on any given day...
you have failed...
you have shown where GOD in the o.t. told the israelites to speciallyt gather on their sabbath...that is not what i asked for... |
I wonder if the God of the OT is the same God in the NT?
Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
But you were right, I did show where it says to obey the sabbath, and not any scriptures that say it was wrong to go against what God plainly stated. Sorry my bad. Do you think any of these scriptures will help?
Leviticus 22:31
Therefore shall ye keep my commandments, and do them: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 26:15
And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
Numbers 15:40
That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God.
Deuteronomy 4:13
And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
Deuteronomy 4:40
Thou shalt keep therefore his statutes, and his commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, for ever.
Deuteronomy 5:10
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
Deuteronomy 6:17
Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.
Psalm 78:7
That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:
Psalm 111:7
The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure.
Psalm 119:6
Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
Psalm 119:10
With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
| Quote: | i saw no where in the scriptures you provided where it says not to gather on any other days...
so...
once more...
you made a brasen and bold comment that cannot be supported by scriptures...if so do so...
show where it si wrong to gather on sunday...monday...or anyday to worship...also... |
It's not wrong to gather on any day of the week, that's why I go to Wedenesday Bible study, just like lots of folks.
I think the question that needs to be asked is where was the change made, and by whom, where the seventh-day sabbath was changed to sunday.
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i have never seen anywhere in my bible where any of those names for days are mentioned... |
I've never seen in my Bible where it mentions automobiles or frozen pot pies, does that mean those names don't exist also?
| Quote: | | also...your own words show you to be unable to follow what you yourself have said...read carefully... |
OK!
| Quote: | but read this post not made an hour or two ago...
| Quote: | Now, if you are asking me if Sunday keepers are being obedient, well that's another question entirely. Most, unfortunately, do not know they are being disobedient to the Word of God.
It is a shame that they have allowed themselves to be taken in by charletins and soothsayers masquerading as pastors that should know better |
so yes sir...you have judged sunday keepers..unless you are saying the pastors of churches that gather on sunday are not sunday keepers......and you have shown me you don't know what you say from one post to the next... |
No, I didn't judge anyone. I called the pastors that fail to teach the truth charletins and soothsayers, but that's not judgmental, that's making an observation. I'm not condeming them, saying they are going to hell or the like. I am saying that what they teach is contrary to what the scriptures teach and as such, I am perfectly able to judge and gauge what they are teaching.
Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
| Quote: | | good day sir...please pay more attention to your own babblings in the future... |
Good day! |
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