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csrshuttle
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 Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:33 pm Post subject: Christian Terrorists... |
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Trinity1,
You said: "I'm not sure if I missed a step here... or a post.": No, you didn't. We discussing the "Christian Terrorism".
You said: "Are we attributing 800,000 deaths of Rwandans to one Catholic Priest, and then laying that on the doorstep of Christianity as a whole?": No. But the priest and the nuns were Christian Terrorists...but of course we can't blame it on Christianity...
I believe that there is Terrorist people (Jew, Muslim, Christian, Budists, Hindus,,,) of all faiths.
I just wanted to open this new thread "Christian Terrorism" and see what kind of comments Christian will reply with.
For example: "If I see two nuns in a Children Clinic (that practice abortion), I will run away. They may BOMB the clinic based on their Christian beliefs against the abortion..."
CSR
Please, say I missed something... please.[/quote] |
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csrshuttle
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: Charistian Terrorism |
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Trinity1
You said: "Got sumpin gainst folks frim Iowa JaaaayPeay?!?[/quote]":
Paul Hill is a Christian Terrorist (I meant CHRISTIAN TERRORIST) not CRIMINAL, VIOLENT OR MENTALLY SICK but Christian Terrorist...
Paul Hill quoted this verse from our Bible to support his Terrorist Acts:
Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man." - Genesis 9:6...for more details, visit his website: http://armyofgod.com/Paulhillindex.html
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Pondering
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Ok...you've made your point...it's weak, but I understand the basic point you're making...now
Terrorism is bad regardless of what faith or godhead the ding-dong that executes it comes from. Period. Full stop.
If I kill innocent people (innocent because they simply belong to a demographic or ideologic group that I disagree with) then it's wrong, especially if I'm doing it to coerce that civil society to my personal demands....
So...what now? you're going to posit that the invasion of Iraq equals terrorism? Christian terrorism?  |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Given the evidence, I think it is much more reasonable to conclude that Muslims are more willing to engage in terrorism because of their faith than Christians are willing to engage in terrorism because of theirs. |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Given the posts in this thread and the other I would say the assertion of terrorism, much less 'christian terrorism' is farfetched. You have a priest and some nuns who participated (through what seems to be lack of action) in a genocide, and it was clear their motivation was political, not religious.
Then you have an obviously mentally ill man who murdered two people and quoted a bible verse...
All in all the support for the claim of 'christian terrorism' is far less than weak, it is nearly nonexistent. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:59 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: |
All in all the support for the claim of 'christian terrorism' is far less than weak, it is nearly nonexistent. |
For once RevJP and I are in agreement. Compare the examples you've given to the acts of Muslim terrorists. The Sept. 11th attacks are good examples of radical Islamists carrying out terrorist attacks. Since they all had to die in order to carry them out, the Koran's verses about martyrdom were VITAL aspects of the attacks.
The same goes for all of the suicide bombings in Baghdad markets over the past few years, and suicide attacks in Israeli markets, night clubs, buses, etc.
I would argue that all of these are STRONG examples of Muslim terrorism. The Christian examples you give are both inferior in number and in how well they qualify as examples of religiously-based terrorism. |
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csrshuttle
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: Charistian Terrorism |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | RevJP wrote: |
All in all the support for the claim of 'christian terrorism' is far less than weak, it is nearly nonexistent. |
For once RevJP and I are in agreement. Compare the examples you've given to the acts of Muslim terrorists. The Sept. 11th attacks are good examples of radical Islamists carrying out terrorist attacks. Since they all had to die in order to carry them out, the Koran's verses about martyrdom were VITAL aspects of the attacks.
The same goes for all of the suicide bombings in Baghdad markets over the past few years, and suicide attacks in Israeli markets, night clubs, buses, etc.
I would argue that all of these are STRONG examples of Muslim terrorism. The Christian examples you give are both inferior in number and in how well they qualify as examples of religiously-based terrorism. |
Like I said, I am not comparing Muslim with Christina Terrorism...I am just talking Christian Terrorism ONLY.
Anyway,
Do you believe that the Christians never committed any KILLINGS (Massacres, bloodbaths, Violence..) based on their faith?
Waiting for your answer,
CSR |
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Pondering
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Charistian Terrorism |
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| csrshuttle wrote: |
Anyway,
Do you believe that the Christians never committed any KILLINGS (Massacres, bloodbaths, Violence..) based on their faith?
Waiting for your answer,
CSR |
/sigh
oy veh....no one here has asserted that they haven't...little things like the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Salem witch trials were conducted by people that professed to be Christians and were either a) politically motivated or b) zealots. Either way...it's was wrong. But that was a loooooooooong time ago.
What's your point? |
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Trinity1
Emperor of the World
Joined: 02 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: Re: Christian Terrorists... |
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| csrshuttle wrote: | Trinity1,
You said: "I'm not sure if I missed a step here... or a post.": No, you didn't. We discussing the "Christian Terrorism".
You said: "Are we attributing 800,000 deaths of Rwandans to one Catholic Priest, and then laying that on the doorstep of Christianity as a whole?": No. But the priest and the nuns were Christian Terrorists...but of course we can't blame it on Christianity... |
Then why on earth bring it up? I am not following your train of thought on this...
| Quote: | | I just wanted to open this new thread "Christian Terrorism" and see what kind of comments Christian will reply with. |
OK... and we would ask for examples of this... and you have provided some loose allusion to a priest and an abortion clinic... something... I still have no idea how you are connecting these dots... |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Charistian Terrorism |
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| Pondering wrote: |
oy veh....no one here has asserted that they haven't...little things like the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Salem witch trials were conducted by people that professed to be Christians and were either a) politically motivated or b) zealots. Either way...it's was wrong. But that was a loooooooooong time ago.
What's your point? |
Me thinks this a is a classic case of contemporaneous proportionality... or lack thereof... and the inability to make the application. |
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Bismarck
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Sad news: 800,000 Killed |
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| csrshuttle wrote: | Dear Readers,
Most Christians hate me for saying that there is such a thing as Christian Terrorism.. To those who are angry with me I say that I am very sorry, but I had to tell the truth, and believe me I feel your pain (It hurts). For those who say there is no such a thing as a Christian terrorism I have no apology at all.
You must face it, Christian Terrorism Exists…sad news, please read:
Thursday, 8 September 2005 – Rwanda (Africa)
Several Rwandan priests and nuns have been convicted of participating in the killing of some 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate Hutus.
For details, please visit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/africa/4225366.stm
800,000 you can’t even compare with 9/11 attacks!
Any comments?
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Bismarck
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Given the evidence, I think it is much more reasonable to conclude that Muslims are more willing to engage in terrorism because of their faith than Christians are willing to engage in terrorism because of theirs. |
Terrorists are not Muslims. They are Communists. It is well known that Moscow and Beijing built up the network of International Terrorism during the Cold War as a means to threaten their Capitalist enemies.
For example, take the Munich Massacre at the 1972 Olympics in Munich, Germany. (Note: these attacks were perpetrated by Black September, and occured in early September of that year. The links to the September 11th attacks should be clear. All of these are references to the September, 1970 expulsion of Palestinians from Jordan when King Hussein allied himself to Israel, an event the Palestinians call "Black September".)
My point is, two days before the operation, it was the Communist East German Olympic team which gave the terrorists access to the Olympic park, showing them around and locating the Israeli appartments for them. Then, during the operation, the Communist East German team invited camera crews up onto the roof of their appartment building, which camera crews then televised all the SWAT team deployments around the Israeli appartments, thereby foiling the first rescue attempt.
Next, during the June/July 1976 hijacking of Air France Flight 139 out of Tel Aviv that led to the famous "Entebbe Raid" at the Uganda airport, the terrorists represented both the Palestinians and the Soviet-backed Marxist Che Guevara brigades in Latin America.
I challenge you to attend any major Peace Rally you choose. Every Arab speaker will spout flagrantly Marxist revolutionary rhetoric.
Terrorists are not Muslims. They are secular Communists.
That's why they use Soviet / Chinese / Eastern Bloc weapons like AK-47s, because they were funded and equiped by Communism.
Someday, perhaps, Palestinians will discover just who first created the Communist movement. |
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Tiptronic
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html
"I know people in America think Muslims are terrorists, but for Rwandans they were our freedom fighters during the genocide," said Jean Pierre Sagahutu, 37, a Tutsi who converted to Islam from Catholicism after his father and nine other members of his family were slaughtered. "I wanted to hide in a church, but that was the worst place to go. Instead, a Muslim family took me. They saved my life." |
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Pondering
Lion King
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Good point Tiptronic...and if that kind of peaceful coexistance can happen, the West will ALWAYS be willing to accept it...the events in Britian though, show once again that a violent minority will never accept coexistence...here's hoping the kind of story you gave becomes the norm  |
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