Christian and Gay

VikingMan44 · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject:

I will say though, that from the standpoint of grace, to those who struggle with homosexuality and believe in Christ as their Savior and Lord, RevJP's point of view has some merit.

They should live a-sexually while they seek God and possibly some therapy. I think that would be an excellent example of taking up your cross and following him.

And for heaven's sake, ditch their "boyfriends".

Ben Chalfant · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject:

I could be wrong, but it sounds as if you believe I struggle with homosexuality? If you do not mean that, that is great. If you do though, I want to say that there is no struggle in me about homosexuality at all. I am strong in my beliefs that it is wrong, as I have noticed you believe as well, correct? No struggle here, lol. The bible is rather clear about it. Elementary my dear Vike. Wink

VikingMan44 · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject:

FFT · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject:

Ben Chalfant · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject:

This scripture mentions the effiminate.
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Definition taken from miriam webster online.

Main Entry: 1ef·fem·i·nate
Pronunciation: \-nət\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin effeminatus, from past participle of effeminare to make effeminate, from ex- + femina woman — more at feminine
Date: 15th century
1 : having feminine qualities untypical of a man : not manly in appearance or manner
2 : marked by an unbecoming delicacy or overrefinement <effeminate art> <an effeminate civilization

FFT · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject:

Ben Chalfant · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject:

I showed the definition of effeminate in the dictionary. Homosexuals are known to be effeminate in their dress, the way they walk, and most common, in the way they talk. Why are you defending homosexuality anyway? Are you homosexual?

james · Bear Cub Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 625

Just a thought, but does not in Romans 1:18-32 verses 26-28 speak against homosexuality - "burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemingly (shameful)" ???

FFT · Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:41 am Post subject:

Ben Chalfant · Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:03 am Post subject:

FFT, I was merely asking a question. You have said no, and so I accept that. James, yes, I agree with you. Those verses are another example of why homosexuality is a sin. The bible mentions homosexuality as being wrong in the OT, and in the NT. It is shameful, and unseemly. It even says it is unnatural affection, speaking about both men and women. So it is wrong to be Gay or Lesbian. This is not natural.

(Romans 1:18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

(Romans 1:19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.

(Romans 1:20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

(Romans 1:21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

(Romans 1:22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

(Romans 1:23) And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

(Romans 1:24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:

(Romans 1:25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

(Romans 1:26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

(Romans 1:27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

(Romans 1:28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

(Romans 1:29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

(Romans 1:30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

(Romans 1:31) Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

(Romans 1:32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

FFT · Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:46 am Post subject:

Ben Chalfant · Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:56 am Post subject:

Very well. I will make it clear to you, then. Natural being right. unnatural being wrong. God created the Heaven and the Earth. He created nature. If something be natural, it is of God. If something be unnatural, it is not of God. If it is not of God, it can only be one thing. Wrong. Sin is wrong. So if it is not of God, it is sin.

FFT · Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject:

Ben Chalfant · Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:29 pm Post subject:

The fallacy here is you thinking that animals has anything to do with right and wrong. As far as cars and computers go, remember this: They are created from natural minerals that we harvested from the earth, that God created. Wink

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