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RevJP
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 Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:36 am Post subject: The begining of the end... |
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We thought things were getting bad, now they are on the fast track to the end of civilization...
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:58 am Post subject: |
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If the democratic party decides Clinton should be their front-woman, 2008 is going to end on a sad note no matter who gets elected.
Here's hoping they go with Barack Obama instead.
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: Re: The begining of the end... |
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| RevJP wrote: | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16720167/
We thought things were getting bad, now they are on the fast track to the end of civilization... |
 Oh... but if this is true... it ain't so funny... 
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RevJP
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either way they go it is almost a sad certainty that there will be numerous attempts, if not successes at assassinations.
I doubt this country, or in actuality - individuals and groups in this country, who are ready to have a woman or african american in the presidency or vice presidency.
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Ana
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That truly is sad 
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45degreeN
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Come on REVJP assassinations? What are you going to be the one who does them?
How many liberal presidents have been assassinated? None that I know about. It seems to be only the conservative ones who get those attempts. |
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RevJP
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| Quote: | | Come on REVJP assassinations? What are you going to be the one who does them? |
This was uncalled for and one of the most asinine comments I've heard in a while.
Did I even say anything that suggested such?
I would offer that you take a step back and think about this for a moment before you post something like that again dim.
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Nobby
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| dim wrote: | | Come on REVJP assassinations? What are you going to be the one who does them? |
Dim we don't need remarks likes like this! You better study the board rules. You know that everyone is responable for what they type on these boards!
So let us be carful for what we say! 
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| dim12trav wrote: |
How many liberal presidents have been assassinated? None that I know about. It seems to be only the conservative ones who get those attempts. |
Thank goodness..we can disagree again...I was getting nervous there 
4 US Presidents have been assassinated:
- Lincoln by John Wilkes Booth, a southern sympathizer.
- Garfield by Charles J. Guiteau, a disgruntled man who had previously petitioned the Garfield administration to appoint him ambassador to France.
-McKinley was shot by anarchist Leon Czolgosz.
-JFK by Lee Harvey Oswold...for a variety of unknown reason.
Now by your math, I'd say 2 of 4 "liberals" were assassinated. Lincoln was or at least became an abolitionist and JFK was a Democrat and all that that party carries...so.
Attempts:
Andrew Jackson
January 30, 1835: a house painter named Richard Lawrence (found insane at trial) shot at Jackson while working in the Capitol.
Theodore Roosevelt
October 13, 1912: Roosevelt was running for President on the Progressives' ticket. In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, John Schrank shot Roosevelt once with a revolver. Schrank said that the ghost of William McKinley had told him to avenge his assassination.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
February 15, 1933 (one month before being sworn in for his first term in office): In Miami, Florida, Giuseppe Zangara (suspected Mafia connections) fired five shots at Roosevelt's motorcade. The Mayor of Chicago was probably the intended target.
Harry S. Truman
November 1, 1950: In Washington, D.C., Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola ambushed the Blair House where Truman was residing temporarily while the White House was undergoing major renovations. Torresola was killed by guards, and Collazo was wounded, tried, sentenced to death. His sentence was commuted to life in prison by Truman and later, he was freed by President Carter.
John F. Kennedy
December 11, 1960: Richard Paul Pavlick, a 73-year-old former postal worker attempted to serve as a suicide bomber by crashing his dynamite-laden 1950 Buick into Kennedy's vehicle. He failed.
Richard M. Nixon
February 22, 1974: Samuel Byck planned to kill Nixon by crashing a commercial airliner into the White House. Once on the plane, he was informed that it could not take off with the wheel blocks still in place. He shot the pilot and copilot before killing himself
Gerald R. Ford (twice)
September 5, 1975: In Sacramento, California, Squeaky Fromme, a follower of Charles Manson, drew a Colt .45 caliber pistol on Ford when he reached to shake her hand in a crowd.
September 22, 1975: In San Francisco, California, Sara Jane Moore fired a revolver at Ford from 40 feet (12 m) away. The shot missed Ford because a bystander, Oliver Sipple, grabbed Moore's arm. Moore was sentenced to life in prison.
Jimmy Carter
May 5, 1979: Ten minutes before Carter was about to speak at the civic center mall in Los Angeles, Raymond Lee Harvey (wacky name?) was arrested carrying a pistol. He later told authorities that he and another man were hired to create a diversion so that Mexican hit men armed with sniper rifles could kill Carter
Ronald Reagan
March 30, 1981: John Hinckley, Jr. fired six shots from a .22 caliber handgun at Reagan in Washington, D.C. If I recall correctly, he wanted Jodi Foster to notice him.
George H.W. Bush
April 13, 1993: Sixteen suspected terrorists, in the employ of Saddam Hussein's Iraq, smuggled a car bomb into Kuwait with the intent of killing Bush as he spoke at Kuwait University.
Bill Clinton (another twice attempted)
October 29, 1994: Francisco Martin Duran fired at least 29 shots with a semi-automatic rifle at the White House from Pennsylvania Avenue, outside the south lawn. No one was hurt and Duran was sentenced to 40 years in prison.
September 13, 1994: Frank Eugene Corder crashed a two-seat, propeller-driven aircraft into the White House grounds. President Clinton and family were staying in the Blair House at the time and were unharmed. Corder was killed.
George W. Bush
May 10, 2005: While Bush was giving a speech in the Freedom Square in Tbilisi, Georgia, Vladimir Arutinian threw a live Soviet-made RGD-5 hand grenade towards the podium where he was standing and where Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili and their two wives and officials were seated. It didn't go off.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Presidential_assassination_attempts
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45degreeN
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Of all those attempts, the ones on Carter and Clinton qualify as the only modern day liberals and they (the shooters)were sadly dysfunctional. I did in fact forget about these.
Your standard of description of liberal is stretched as thin as Gold leaf though. No I wont go through your full list of assassination attempts. Even so, I will concede that liberal presidents have been shot at. They missed generally. |
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| RevJp I was not actually seriously suggesting that you of all people would do such a thing, yet your certainty on this dread issue seemed rather strong. |
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Pondering
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | either way they go it is almost a sad certainty that there will be numerous attempts, if not successes at assassinations.
I doubt this country, or in actuality - individuals and groups in this country, who are ready to have a woman or african american in the presidency or vice presidency. |
agree...although I think it will happen "soon"...within the next 20 years I imagine. Personally, I have nothing against either group and there is no reason why race or gender should affect the ability to lead. Several western countries have had effective female leaders (Ireland, England, Canada(?), and Germany, just off the top of my head).
My problem is with Clinton specifically. It'll be interesting to see how she re-invents herself and how much the media panders to it, or if they'll go over her past as finely as they do some others. Here's a brief Hillary Bio:
- Born into an affluent and Republican family.
- Well educated and attended both Wellesly and Yale. Young Republican at Welesly, became more liberal/social at Yale thru "legal intern" type involvement with the ACLU and the Black Panther's trial.
- Later worked as a law clerk at the Oakland firm of Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein. Treuhaft was also an attorney to the Communist Party of the United States. (I'm not insinuating guilty by association, I'm stating she was shaped by those she was mentored by...)
- Began a lifetime friendship with David Mixner of the Vietnam Moratorium Committee, an anti-Vietnam war protest group. Mixner also become a leading homosexual activist and helped her get the "Gay Vote" for the Senate.
- Year later (1980s), served as chairman of the New World Foundation (NWF). This foundation gave grants to (among other things) Committee in Solidarity with the People of El Salvador, a front group for the communist terrorists; the National Lawyers Guild, a one-time-identified communist front; and the Christic Institute, an extreme left-wing group of lawyers.
- During Bill Clinton's first run at the White House, made quotes about "Co-Presidency"
- Recently made statements that women in Iraq were better off with Saddam "as long as they stayed out of his way".
- May 2004. On being Commander in Chief " "It's an awesome, unbelievably overwhelming responsibility. I know a little bit about that."
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RevJP
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My point was simply - Hillary is a woman, there are way too many unstable people out there right now (and groups who have access to those individuals) that would find it extremely compelling for various reasons not to allow a woman into the two highest offices, or keep her there if she made it. Unfortunately the same goes for an African American.
I haven't even mentioned the fact that she is a legacy of 'Clinton' which is reason enough to strike fear in the hearts of even the most stable of people...
As far as what you said goes dim... I leave my pleasure or displeasure at the polls. But I find it interesting that you were the first one to jump up and suggest what you did.
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Ana
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | either way they go it is almost a sad certainty that there will be numerous attempts, if not successes at assassinations.
I doubt this country, or in actuality - individuals and groups in this country, who are ready to have a woman or african american in the presidency or vice presidency. |
I've been thinking more and more about this - isn't this indicative of democracy's failings? That you, the people, will elect someone who will 'almost certainly' have assassination attempts against them? Why elect someone who will probably be shot for it? Why run for president if that's the attitude in your country?
It's a deplorable state for your country to be in when it's 'normal' to even think that there will 'almost certainly' be an assassination (especially because the candidate is either a woman or black?! how superficial can you be? - not you specifically; your country), because each person who thinks it, each person who voices it, helps to propagate the sentiment in others, making it more likely to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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| Ana wrote: | | I've been thinking more and more about this - isn't this indicative of democracy's failings? That you, the people, will elect someone who will 'almost certainly' have assassination attempts against them? Why elect someone who will probably be shot for it? Why run for president if that's the attitude in your country? |
Because she and her husband are the poster couple for selfish narcissists and everything that is wrong with our country.
She has no interest in what is good for the country. If she did, she would withdraw from the race. She is more polarizing than her husband ever thought about being, and will make Bush look like a 'unite-r' of sorts.
She needs to bow out for the good of the country. Nothing positive will ever get done if she is elected.
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