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45degreeN
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Another example is Daniel. Not only was he a high government official during a pagan administration but he broke laws during that time which were against God's word in spite of that high position. God put him in those places though it wasn't his ambition that put him there.
Working for the government is not the same as politics. The people who actually do the work of the government (civil service for example) are just like any other workers. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: |
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SS, following your post was difficult as I couldn't tell what was and what was not yours... 
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[b]Bottom line: any religious group that gains power in goverment will enact laws that will favor their religious beliefs.[/b]....and persecution will follow ! |
You would be correct is that power was gained through religion. However, here in the United States, the power does not come from the church... it comes from the people... so I do not think this is a possibility regardless of how loud I hear the left scream that 'seperation of church and state' prattle.
| Quote: | Simply looking at the history of the Roman Catholic church proves that fact !
The church controlled the state for some 1260 years of world domination, during the Dark Ages....killing millions (50-150 millions) of people who would not submit to their doctrines. |
Completely different subject. One, you have the religion as the state. The other, you would have the state ascting as a religion... and religion wouldn't allow that... not one that I would adhere to anyway.
| Quote: | | History will repeat itself during the 'Mark of the Beast' scenerio.......the state will control religious conscience...AGAIN ! |
Hey... we agree... on my point. 
| Quote: | The Mark of the Beast scenerio, is based on 'forced' worship.
"You believe in what the state laws says, or you die" |
Coming soon... to a country near you. 
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| yes...it is more than close... |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:02 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Trinity1"] | Silver Surfer wrote: |
[b]Bottom line: any religious group that gains power in goverment will enact laws that will favor their religious beliefs.[/b]....and persecution will follow ! |
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You would be correct is that power was gained through religion. However, here in the United States, the power does not come from the church... it comes from the people... so I do not think this is a possibility regardless of how loud I hear the left scream that 'seperation of church and state' prattle.
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It will be the people....who will push the goverment into the Mark of the Beast scenerio.
The Tribulation period will be so terrible, that the people will 'URGE' the goverment into passing certain laws....
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | It will be the people....who will push the goverment into the Mark of the Beast scenerio.
The Tribulation period will be so terrible, that the people will 'URGE' the goverment into passing certain laws.... |
Not to worried about it myself... don't plan to be around.
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | It will be the people....who will push the goverment into the Mark of the Beast scenerio.
The Tribulation period will be so terrible, that the people will 'URGE' the goverment into passing certain laws.... |
Not to worried about it myself... don't plan to be around. :wink: |
1 Thess. 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; (Rapture theory ?) then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | One, you have the religion as the state. The other, you would have the state ascting as a religion... and religion wouldn't allow that... not one that I would adhere to anyway.
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When the Mark of the Beast is enforced, you'll have a choice.
#1.) go along with the program, and live comfortably.
But, die in the Fires of Hell.
#2.) NOT go along with the program, and suffer the consequences.
YET....get into heaven, and live in Paradise forever !
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Silver Surfer
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I'm wondering... when one party supports and actually promotes the expansion of actions that are clearly contridictory to scripture... is it not our duty to defeat that? or at least try? |
Yes, we are advised fo help stop the spread of evil.
I think it is right to vote on issues (abortion, ect.).
BUT, it is NEVER safe to vote for people....as you well know, they say whatever they will say, to get elected.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: |
I'm wondering... when one party supports and actually promotes the expansion of actions that are clearly contridictory to scripture... is it not our duty to defeat that? or at least try? |
Yes, we are advised fo help stop the spread of evil.
I think it is right to vote on issues (abortion, ect.).
BUT, it is NEVER safe to vote for people....as you well know, they say whatever they will say, to get elected. |
I do believe the above bears repeating.....
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