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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I wonder what the chances are of there being 2 Dr. Michael Martins...

Seems almost a little far fetched I suppose, but then I remember my 21st birthday, going to a Billy Idol concert, stopping in the bar at the base of the Space Needle to have a drink or six before the concert and striking up a conversation with another guy waiting to go to the concert.

I mentioned it was my birthday present and he stated the same, neither one of us believed each other much so we swapped drivers license's.

Turned out his birthday was the day before mine, so the coincidence wasn't that spectacular. The real twister was that his name was the same as mine - first and last with the only difference being our middle names (his was Paul, mine is Patrick).

I just mention this because when I consider the idea of thier being 2 Dr. Martins, I simply don't find it that inexplicable...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
So we've got one person who claims to be a specific employee of CSR on another forum. We've got another person who claims to be the same employee of CSR and that the clear imposter on the other forum is someone else entirely. Then we've got the real Dr. Michael Martin whose employees weren't aware that he'd gotten a Ph.D. at Yale.

Seriously, RevJP, get over it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
jp wrote:
then I remember my 21st birthday, going to a Billy Idol concert


when i was thirteen...i wanted to be billy idol... Laughing ...i even had the short, spiked hair Embarassed Laughing Laughing ...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So we've got one person who claims to be a specific employee of CSR on another forum. We've got another person who claims to be the same employee of CSR and that the clear imposter on the other forum is someone else entirely. Then we've got the real Dr. Michael Martin whose employees weren't aware that he'd gotten a Ph.D. at Yale.

Seriously, RevJP, get over it.


And don't forget that the impostor here:

1. waves 'his scientific degrees' around in order to get people to worship him, but then never gives a single scientific argument, but rather thinks that philosophy is a much better way of exploring the world. Does that sound like a scientist?

2. claims to have a Ph.D in microbiology, but can't answer simple questions.

3. claims to be an expert in peer review, but thinks that the Journal of Creation is a mainstream scientific journal.

4. OPENLY posts radical YEC ideas here which would threaten his career as a necessarily objective peer-reviewer.

5. when asked about what his Ph.D thesis was about, gave the wrong answer.

6. claims that he got a second Ph.D at Yale, but this is not mentioned on his web page.

7. didn't know who his Ph.D supervisors were.

8. tried this dishonest and deceitful scam at another website and was found out then as well.

RevJP, do none of these things make you suspicious??? There's just no chance that this guy is who he says he is. Look at the evidence!

I think that we have an obligation to the REAL Dr. Michael Martin to

a) Recognize the impostor for the fraud that he is, and
b) Inform him that someone is impersonating him on the internet.

This is currently underway.

The really funny thing is that this is the impostor's SECOND attempt at impersonating Dr. Martin. He's an INCREDIBLY bad con man. Impersonating experts isn't such an easy thing to do...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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FFT wrote:
So we've got one person who claims to be a specific employee of CSR on another forum. We've got another person who claims to be the same employee of CSR and that the clear imposter on the other forum is someone else entirely. Then we've got the real Dr. Michael Martin whose employees weren't aware that he'd gotten a Ph.D. at Yale.

Seriously, RevJP, get over it.


And don't forget that the impostor here:

1. waves 'his scientific degrees' around in order to get people to worship him, but then never gives a single scientific argument, but rather thinks that philosophy is a much better way of exploring the world. Does that sound like a scientist? - This is funny as it gives me an impression that he doesn't clearly understand my position on Science. Its important, but its not the demi-god of research.

2. claims to have a Ph.D in microbiology, but can't answer simple questions. - I haven't yet, but doesn't mean I can't.

3. claims to be an expert in peer review, but thinks that the Journal of Creation is a mainstream scientific journal. - WOW! How dare I say that one of the biggest organizations in the YECS fieldwork is Scientific?

4. OPENLY posts radical YEC ideas here which would threaten his career as a necessarily objective peer-reviewer. - I can side with my position psychologically without being rationally biased. Thats what they require out of me. My job is separate from what I'm doing here, and I leave my posts on the boards. And secondly, I haven't even answered question no. 2 yet...so why are you whining about this (this is your A Priori conclusion....we haven't gather evidence yet to make it here yet). I just am not allowed to say that Richard Dawkins is an idiot or something along those lines.

5. when asked about what his Ph.D thesis was about, gave the wrong answer. - That would be incorrect.

6. claims that he got a second Ph.D at Yale, but this is not mentioned on his web page. - No, bu then again, nothing after 1985 is mentioned on that website. It just hasn't been updated in a while.

7. didn't know who his Ph.D supervisors were. - I don't remember them off hand. There were quite a few. I remember some of them, but not all of them. You act as if I should remember everry single person I've ever met in my entire life.

8. tried this dishonest and deceitful scam at another website and was found out then as well. - You're once again Begging the question without any legitimate evidence that that was me, and also conclusive evidence that I being a 60 year old man, would not post in the manner of the amateurish behavior as my alleged "self" on that other website.

RevJP, do none of these things make you suspicious??? There's just no chance that this guy is who he says he is. Look at the evidence!

I think that we have an obligation to the REAL Dr. Michael Martin to

a) Recognize the impostor for the fraud that he is, and
b) Inform him that someone is impersonating him on the internet.

This is currently underway.

The really funny thing is that this is the impostor's SECOND attempt at impersonating Dr. Martin. He's an INCREDIBLY bad con man. Impersonating experts isn't such an easy thing to do...


Go ahead...why not contact me about impersonating myself. We'll have a good laugh about it in the office, I'll guarantee Laughing .
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dr. Michael Martin wrote:

Go ahead...why not contact me about impersonating myself. We'll have a good laugh about it in the office, I'll guarantee Laughing .


You've got nerve, I'll give you that.

We already have contacted you. Go ahead and respond to the e-mails that you've received.

I'd like you to address every one of the issues I've brought up.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Dr. Michael Martin wrote:

Go ahead...why not contact me about impersonating myself. We'll have a good laugh about it in the office, I'll guarantee Laughing .


You've got nerve, I'll give you that.

We already have contacted you. Go ahead and respond to the e-mails that you've received.


I feel its a waste of my time. If I respond, then you'll create another Conspiracy theory of some sort. Why even bother?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dr. Michael Martin wrote:

I feel its a waste of my time. If I respond, then you'll create another Conspiracy theory of some sort. Why even bother?


Ha!

How about this: you CAN'T respond, because you're NOT Dr. Michael Martin and you don't have access to his e-mail address.

I remember in grade two a kid in my class kept talking about how his dad has a Lamborghini, but when I asked to come over and see it, for some reason there were always excuses.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dr. Michael Martin wrote:
P1234567890 wrote:
6. claims that he got a second Ph.D at Yale, but this is not mentioned on his web page.
No, bu then again, nothing after 1985 is mentioned on that website. It just hasn't been updated in a while.
Interestingly, the page has this at the bottom: "Last Update 1/10/2007"

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I feel its a waste of my time. If I respond, then you'll create another Conspiracy theory of some sort. Why even bother?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
FFT wrote:
Dr. Michael Martin wrote:
P1234567890 wrote:
6. claims that he got a second Ph.D at Yale, but this is not mentioned on his web page.
No, bu then again, nothing after 1985 is mentioned on that website. It just hasn't been updated in a while.
Interestingly, the page has this at the bottom: "Last Update 1/10/2007"

Dr. Michael Martin wrote:
I feel its a waste of my time. If I respond, then you'll create another Conspiracy theory of some sort. Why even bother?
Right Rolling Eyes


Last updated..1/10/07, with stuff not recently from 1985? Isn't that a red flag that I haven't done anything of significance as a Director for CSR since 1985? Now add 2+2. Everyday it says that its been updated. But has it really been updated? No.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
And yet all you have to do is answer an email! Shocking!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And yet all you have to do is answer an email! Shocking!


And yet...what does this have to do with what we were just talking about?

I already told you why I'm not answering your e-mails. I don't want Aliens and Elvis to get involved.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dr. Michael Martin wrote:
P1234567890 wrote:
Dr. Michael Martin wrote:

Go ahead...why not contact me about impersonating myself. We'll have a good laugh about it in the office, I'll guarantee Laughing .


You've got nerve, I'll give you that.

We already have contacted you. Go ahead and respond to the e-mails that you've received.


I feel its a waste of my time. If I respond, then you'll create another Conspiracy theory of some sort. Why even bother?


I think the conspiracy's already afoot - all you have to do to prevent one is respond to the emails given.
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Ana wrote:
Dr. Michael Martin wrote:
P1234567890 wrote:
Dr. Michael Martin wrote:

Go ahead...why not contact me about impersonating myself. We'll have a good laugh about it in the office, I'll guarantee Laughing .


You've got nerve, I'll give you that.

We already have contacted you. Go ahead and respond to the e-mails that you've received.


I feel its a waste of my time. If I respond, then you'll create another Conspiracy theory of some sort. Why even bother?


I think the conspiracy's already afoot - all you have to do to prevent one is respond to the emails given.


Then Elvis came down from a UFO and wrote it. And so on and so forth, as the information keeps building up, this conversation gets more and more absurd. Its pointless to participate in this. I'd like to get into Scientific discussion for a change here.
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Then Elvis came down from a UFO and wrote it. And so on and so forth, as the information keeps building up, this conversation gets more and more absurd. Its pointless to participate in this. I'd like to get into Scientific discussion for a change here.


I think that if I were a con pretending to be someone else, I'd respond pretty much the way you have, because if I wanted to continue the charade, I couldn't let out that I can't respond to the email because I haven't got access to the person whom I'm trying to imitate's email inbox.
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