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FFT
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| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | This is why my objective is to not go through this until we get some specific questions here. |
Specific questions?
1. Why are you pretending to be someone you are not?
2. Does lying for Jesus bring you satisfaction? Why?
3. Were you aware that Jesus specifically commanded those who wished to be pious to be honest?
4. Do you believe that the possible end of convincing someone through dishonesty justifies the means of disobeying your spiritual leader?
| RevJP wrote: | | The point FFT, stick to the point. You want to argue about that which you were not a part of as if it is something against you personally - why? |
Why not? I enjoy arguing, and Dr. Michael Martin has made himself a gigantic glowing target.
| RevJP wrote: | | Are you refuting the point I have made? If so, then address it as it stands and quit trying to divert attention from the truth of the facts as presented. |
Which point? I already pointed out that I've seen most of what the good doctor posted before, and I'm well aware of how little relevance it has. Why bother refuting a point by point? All he'd do is continue ejaculating more of AIG's garbage while perhaps barely bothering to defend what he's posted.
I've already shown you that he's a liar, what more do you want?
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | RevJP wrote: | | Every post from last evening. |
Sure 
Please present one or two, then.
| RevJP wrote: | | Tell me how, anyone reading and posting last night could have reviewed all the information which was posted? |
"Nothing new under the sun," remember? I've seen most of his stuff before. The only new thing I noticed was his accusation that Darwin was a plagiarist, to which I simply think "even if this is true, so what?" |
Obviously if thats new, you haven't seen all of my stuff before. You're not even close here. I also answered your question on the previous thread. Evolution is bunk from the get-go since none of it is actually derived from original or honest work to begin with. It just goes downhill from here.
I'm sure we'll get a nice little laugh out of your "refutation" of CSR as well....  . |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | This is why my objective is to not go through this until we get some specific questions here. |
Specific questions?
1. Why are you pretending to be someone you are not? = Have you stopped beating your wife lately?
2. Does lying for Jesus bring you satisfaction? Why? = What kind of an aburd question is this?
3. Were you aware that Jesus specifically commanded those who wished to be pious to be honest? = Yes of course.
4. Do you believe that the possible end of convincing someone through dishonesty justifies the means of disobeying your spiritual leader? = No, I would never condone such behavior.
| RevJP wrote: | | The point FFT, stick to the point. You want to argue about that which you were not a part of as if it is something against you personally - why? |
Why not? I enjoy arguing, and Dr. Michael Martin has made himself a gigantic glowing target.
I guess he's got a personal agenda of some sort. Beats me here.
| RevJP wrote: | | Are you refuting the point I have made? If so, then address it as it stands and quit trying to divert attention from the truth of the facts as presented. |
Which point? I already pointed out that I've seen most of what the good doctor posted before, and I'm well aware of how little relevance it has. Why bother refuting a point by point? All he'd do is continue ejaculating more of AIG's garbage while perhaps barely bothering to defend what he's posted.
I've already shown you that he's a liar, what more do you want? |
And how have you shown anybody that I'm a liar? I don't work at AIG. I work at CSR. You've got me confused with someone else.
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | This is why my objective is to not go through this until we get some specific questions here. I'm not going to play the Evolution dummie game while I'm here. |
I'm afraid if you are interested in staying on topic (i.e. dealing with facts) you 'targets' are pretty hard to hit here. When confronting some on this site with observational evidenc (science) it is almost hilarious how fast the subject diverts to who wrote it, where it came from, the motivations behind it... et. al.
Ask FFT about c14 in coal and you'll see what I mean.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | This is why my objective is to not go through this until we get some specific questions here. I'm not going to play the Evolution dummie game while I'm here. |
I'm afraid if you are interested in staying on topic (i.e. dealing with facts) you 'targets' are pretty hard to hit here. When confronting some on this site with observational evidenc (science) it is almost hilarious how fast the subject diverts to who wrote it, where it came from, the motivations behind it... et. al.
Ask FFT about c14 in coal and you'll see what I mean. |
I'd be interested in hearing the response here. FFT your claims? |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Why not? I enjoy arguing, and Dr. Michael Martin has made himself a gigantic glowing target. |
I realize that you enjoy arguing, and I realize that you enjoy muddying the waters when you cannot argue the point.
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I've already shown you that he's a liar, what more do you want? |
Actually, you've asserted such with absolutely no proof or evidence. You made a personal attack, which really is your fall-back position many times.
You are right - there is nothing new under the sun...
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Which point? I already pointed out that I've seen most of what the good doctor posted before, and I'm well aware of how little relevance it has |
Perhaps if you actually read what I posted and considered it, you would understand the point. I even used little words so it could be easily understood - you really should have no problem with it...
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | Obviously if thats new, you haven't seen all of my stuff before. |
Way to read, bucko, I said that I'd already seen most of what you've posted.
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | You're not even close here. |
Close to what?
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | I also answered your question on the previous thread. |
Which one? I've asked quite a few, I think.
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | Evolution is bunk from the get-go since none of it is actually derived from original or honest work to begin with. |
Funny, I've seen quite a bit of original, honest work in biology journals. Weird!
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | I'm sure we'll get a nice little laugh out of your "refutation" of CSR as well.... . |
Why should I care about an organization you're not even associated with?
| RevJP wrote: | | I realize that you enjoy arguing, and I realize that you enjoy muddying the waters when you cannot argue the point. |
Which point do you wish to argue?
| RevJP wrote: | | Actually, you've asserted such with absolutely no proof or evidence. You made a personal attack, which really is your fall-back position many times. |
Right now I'm just waiting for the real Dr. Michael Martin to turn his phone on.
| RevJP wrote: | | Perhaps if you actually read what I posted and considered it, you would understand the point. I even used little words so it could be easily understood - you really should have no problem with it... |
Oh snap, I thought personal attacks were bad?
It's a bit hard to understand how you're so quick to lock down on personal attacks when you're clearly quite fond of using them whenever it suits you.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | It's a bit hard to understand how you're so quick to lock down on personal attacks when you're clearly quite fond of using them whenever it suits you. |
Same reason you are so quick to point out 'board rule' violations of others when you are one of the biggest violators here.
Besides I thought I would simply try to post in your language, so you could understand.
BTW, I'm very pleased to meet you Mr. Pot. I'm sure we can compare our personal hypocricies and paint the same picture.
Care to discuss the actual points I made or do you want to continue avoiding the truth?
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | Obviously if thats new, you haven't seen all of my stuff before. |
Way to read, bucko, I said that I'd already seen most of what you've posted.
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | You're not even close here. |
Close to what?
To seeing all that I know on the subject. Your assumptions are absurd here....but I'll address them (they're all loaded however, so I must warn the other readers in advance).
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | I also answered your question on the previous thread. |
Which one? I've asked quite a few, I think.
You haven't really asked me anything to my knowledge.
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | Evolution is bunk from the get-go since none of it is actually derived from original or honest work to begin with. |
Funny, I've seen quite a bit of original, honest work in biology journals. Weird!
Thats right, how much of it is Evolution oriented (molecules to man).
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | I'm sure we'll get a nice little laugh out of your "refutation" of CSR as well.... . |
Why should I care about an organization you're not even associated with?
Uhhhh.... . Please see: http://www.csr.nih.gov/photodisplay/finalinter.aspx?id=1218&other=0
| RevJP wrote: | | I realize that you enjoy arguing, and I realize that you enjoy muddying the waters when you cannot argue the point. |
Which point do you wish to argue?
| RevJP wrote: | | Actually, you've asserted such with absolutely no proof or evidence. You made a personal attack, which really is your fall-back position many times. |
Right now I'm just waiting for the real Dr. Michael Martin to turn his phone on.
Keep on waiting.
| RevJP wrote: | | Perhaps if you actually read what I posted and considered it, you would understand the point. I even used little words so it could be easily understood - you really should have no problem with it... |
Oh snap, I thought personal attacks were bad?
It's a bit hard to understand how you're so quick to lock down on personal attacks when you're clearly quite fond of using them whenever it suits you. |
Wave that hand. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: |
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | I'm sure we'll get a nice little laugh out of your "refutation" of CSR as well.... . |
Why should I care about an organization you're not even associated with? |
FFT... can follow what he wrote here... this is almost hilarious the straws you are grasping at.
AIG = Answers in Genesis
CSR = Center for Scientific Review
Hope it helps dig you out of that hole you seem to be stuck in. 
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | To seeing all that I know on the subject. |
Then I assert that you aren't even close to knowing as much as I know on the subject. I win! This is ridiculous.
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | You haven't really asked me anything to my knowledge. |
Then you haven't been paying attention.
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | Thats right, how much of it is Evolution oriented (molecules to man). |
Abiogenetics? Google Scholar returns 522 articles, though I wouldn't propose that all of those are exactly what you had in mind. Besides, that's a pretty broad subject for a single paper. Did you perhaps have something else in mind?
Sorry, I guess you missed this. Hey, if you really want me to shut up, you could just turn your phone on and make me eat my words. How delicious would that be?
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | FFT wrote: | | Right now I'm just waiting for the real Dr. Michael Martin to turn his phone on. |
Keep on waiting. |
So when the real Dr. Martin answers his phone, I'll know it's not you right off the bat? Good to know.
| Trinity1 wrote: | FFT... can follow what he wrote here... this is almost hilarious the straws you are grasping at.
AIG = Answers in Genesis
CSR = Center for Scientific Review
Hope it helps dig you out of that hole you seem to be stuck in. |
Dr. Michael Martin is not Dr. Michael Martin. The real Michael Martin, Ph.D. is not associated with AIG. This Michael Martin is not associated with CSR because he isn't actually Michael Martin.
Does that make sense?
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Theology is philosophy/ethics for people who already know what conclusion they want to come to. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | To seeing all that I know on the subject. |
Then I assert that you aren't even close to knowing as much as I know on the subject. I win! This is ridiculous.
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | You haven't really asked me anything to my knowledge. |
Then you haven't been paying attention.
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | Thats right, how much of it is Evolution oriented (molecules to man). |
Abiogenetics? Google Scholar returns 522 articles, though I wouldn't propose that all of those are exactly what you had in mind. Besides, that's a pretty broad subject for a single paper. Did you perhaps have something else in mind?
Perhaps find one that is associated with CSR.
Sorry, I guess you missed this. Hey, if you really want me to shut up, you could just turn your phone on and make me eat my words. How delicious would that be?
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | FFT wrote: | | Right now I'm just waiting for the real Dr. Michael Martin to turn his phone on. |
Keep on waiting. |
So when the real Dr. Martin answers his phone, I'll know it's not you right off the bat? Good to know.
Wow, sounds like even if I did answer my phone, you'd not believe it was me. Why even bother?
| Trinity1 wrote: | FFT... can follow what he wrote here... this is almost hilarious the straws you are grasping at.
AIG = Answers in Genesis
CSR = Center for Scientific Review
Hope it helps dig you out of that hole you seem to be stuck in. |
Dr. Michael Martin is not Dr. Michael Martin. The real Michael Martin, Ph.D. is not associated with AIG. This Michael Martin is not associated with CSR because he isn't actually Michael Martin.
Does that make sense? |
Who said anything about AIG?
Could we refer to the above behavior as delusional? I believe we're so justified to do so.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Dr. Michael Martin is not Dr. Michael Martin. The real Michael Martin, Ph.D. is not associated with AIG. This Michael Martin is not associated with CSR because he isn't actually Michael Martin.
Does that make sense? |
Wait...
Let me smoke a little crack first....
Yeah, NOW it makes sense...
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Quote: | Dr. Michael Martin is not Dr. Michael Martin. The real Michael Martin, Ph.D. is not associated with AIG. This Michael Martin is not associated with CSR because he isn't actually Michael Martin.
Does that make sense? |
Wait...
Let me smoke a little crack first....
Yeah, NOW it makes sense... |
I believe this bloke is out to make a conspiracy theory of some sort. We would refer to this as Paranoia in the Neurological Sciences! |
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | Who said anything about AIG? |
You did, on Panda's Thumb. I simply referred to it and AIG's response when someone asked them about it.
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | Could we refer to the above behavior as delusional? I believe we're so justified to do so. |
If it makes you feel better, I suppose.
| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: | | I believe this bloke is out to make a conspiracy theory of some sort. We would refer to this as Paranoia in the Neurological Sciences! |
This just keeps getting better and better!
| RevJP wrote: | | Yeah, NOW it makes sense... |
There were links behind the names to clarify.
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Theology is philosophy/ethics for people who already know what conclusion they want to come to.
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