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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:51 am Post subject: Can You Figure it Out ? |
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Can you see the same thought being portrayed in both Bible verses ?
Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
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2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,
2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
There is just one thought that is central in both Bible texts. _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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TheWord Big Hamster

Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 96
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; |
And when you understand what is being said here Mark, only then will you know Christ in His fullness. We simply must know His Word in it's fullness, as being Is, Was and Will Be, or in Truth we do not know Christ. One cannot be a Preterist and know Christ. One cannot be a Dispensationalist and know Christ. One cannot be a Presentist and know Christ. The only way to know Christ is to know Him as "He who Is, Was and Will Be.
And just maybe you will see who this "man" of perdition really is. |
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theseldomscene Banned

Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| word wrote: | | And when you understand what is being said here Mark |
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Zathrus King Kong

Joined: 28 Aug 2002 Posts: 2272 Location: WI USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| TheWord wrote: | We simply must know His Word in it's fullness, as being Is, Was and Will Be, or in Truth we do not know Christ. One cannot be a Preterist and know Christ. One cannot be a Dispensationalist and know Christ. One cannot be a Presentist and know Christ. The only way to know Christ is to know Him as "He who Is, Was and Will Be.
And just maybe you will see who this "man" of perdition really is. | That's certainly closing the door to the kingdom on a lot of people! Shucks! I really wanted to spend eternity with my Lord!
And I take it you know His Word in its fullness? _________________ Establishing the law by receiving the righteousness which is by faith, without the deeds of the law!
2 Cor 3 "11For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."
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45degreeN King Kong
Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 2672 Location: Salem Oregon
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:16 am Post subject: Noah's time frame |
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Noah prophesied for 120 years prior to the flood not one person listened to him except his family. Of course there had never been a flood before and I bet most people just couldn't accept the concept of them dying in a flood, to them it just didn't make sense. How could someone in Noah's day accept the flood theory without some previous knowledge of floods? Noah did build an ark for his family and others certainly did have the same opportunity to build something for themselves but there is no evidence they did.
Present day: we have God's word for everyone to read, we even know about such controversial things as a rapture even though it has never occurred before either. How can we in this present day accept the rapture without some evidence?
Knowing everything there is to know about God is impossible since God is far beyond our understanding. Complete knowledge drives out faith anyway. What God seems to want is that we, in spite of our less than perfect knowledge, faithe (the verb form of Pisteo) on the Lord Jesus we will be saved. |
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sofyst Tiger

Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: |
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No...I can't figure it out. It baffles me stupid. _________________ simul justus et peccator
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| sofyst wrote: | | No...I can't figure it out. It baffles me stupid. |
OK.....let me try to make it easier.....
Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
The thought here is....that when Jesus Christ returns, the UNsaved will be destroyed....just as the UNsaved were destroyed in Noah's time
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Again, the same thought occurs here...
2 Thess. 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,
2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
AND, why there is no such thing as a 7 year Tribulation period....as there is NO ONE left alive, to go thru any Tribulation.
The Tribulation period comes....BEFORE....Christ returns...just as Scripture says. _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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45degreeN King Kong
Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 2672 Location: Salem Oregon
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:05 am Post subject: |
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OK silver surfer. That means we can safely ignore all the other verses which do speak of the tribulation and rapture, base our whole theology on this one verse relying on it as though it were the only word of God and forgetting anything else.
How simplistic that is and certainly not reliably explaining to us the whole word of God. Your certainty is overwhelming your reason. Isn't there at least a little questioning, some acceptance of others reasonings? Does everyone else make no sense whatsoever? Are we all condemned to hellfire for not falling into lockstep with what you say? |
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| dim12trav wrote: | | OK silver surfer. That means we can safely ignore all the other verses which do speak of the tribulation and rapture, base our whole theology on this one verse relying on it as though it were the only word of God and forgetting anything else. |
I brought this one verse, because most ignore it.
Every verse brought forth, should have the reaction upon the Christian, and that is......"How do I incorporate this Bible verse, into everything I already believe, on that subject" ?
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How simplistic that is and certainly not reliably explaining to us the whole word of God. Your certainty is overwhelming your reason. Isn't there at least a little questioning, some acceptance of others reasonings? | With all the warnings, God has given about false teachers ?
Isaiah 8:20 "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them".
| Quote: | | Does everyone else make no sense whatsoever? | There is a Bible test, as to who has the truth of God.......
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.
Those who keep all 10 commandments, as found in Exodus 20:3-17, are in harmony, with the will of God.
| Quote: | | Are we all condemned to hellfire for not falling into lockstep with what you say? |
My purpose is to try to bring knowledge to you....to keep you...from ending up in hellfire !
First, you are not to rely upon anything I say......go to the Bible (the whole Bible) and check things out for yourself.
My job is to bring Bible texts to people, thought-provoking them to see for themselves, if what Scriptures I bring out are true or not.
You are responsible for your own salvation...... you are the one who determines whether you are saved or lost, OK ? _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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knuckle Young Wolf

Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 501
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Hi All-----------
SS--------Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
The thought here is....that when Jesus Christ returns, the UNsaved will be destroyed....just as the UNsaved were destroyed in Noah's time
couple of questions about the above first How long are the unsaved destroyed(for the millinium,eternally, till the second ressurection) and gone?
If all the unsaved are gone and only the righteous remain whom does the overcomer rule over with a rod of iron?Rev.2:26---who are the "nations" in this verse?
much love--------knuckle |
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Silver Surfer Emperor of the World

Joined: 12 Jul 2003 Posts: 3255 Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| knuckle wrote: | Hi All-----------
SS--------Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
The thought here is....that when Jesus Christ returns, the UNsaved will be destroyed....just as the UNsaved were destroyed in Noah's time
couple of questions about the above first How long are the unsaved destroyed(for the millinium,eternally, till the second ressurection) and gone? |
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.
20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
| Quote: | | If all the unsaved are gone and only the righteous remain whom does the overcomer rule over with a rod of iron?Rev.2:26---who are the "nations" in this verse? | To tell you the truth I have not studied it out...as of yet.
But from a quick glance on the context of the chapter....the churcues are involved....
much love--------knuckle[/quote] _________________ Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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