The six claims that make Jesus not worthy of being a god.

Siam · Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject:

Hi Raggy; You ask:
Was the universe created? Did it have a beginning?

Siam says:
What do I say to this, do I get all sarcastic:
“Nuh! The universe was not created, it doesn’t have a beginning and we don’t exist.”

Or do I get into my personal belief that time exists within an eternal “big bang” Now.

I don’t know where your going with this Raggy.

Do you want me to suppose a Man God made it all…Cause I don’t.

Siam Quote:
The Christ returning is the one in our souls when we accept that we are all aspects of God.
The Father in heaven is the higher aspect of our selves.
Raggy:
Could you explain what you mean by aspect here?

Siam:
We all have a Father in Heaven.
The kingdom of God is within.
We are intrinsically linked with the God Head.

I appreciate the direct questions.
Cheers, Siam.

Raggy, I forgot to comment on this:

Isaiah 59:1-2
Behold, the LORD'S hand is not so short That it cannot save;
Nor is His ear so dull That it cannot hear
But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden {His} face from you so that He does not hear.

Your iniquities have made separation, one does not really exist.

Cheers again,
Siam.
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Siam · Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject:

I think that the disciples, being Students and followers of Jesus, learning direct from the source, that they must have spoken, taught and written in parables.

There teacher did.

As we know, the bible is not a very good tool for continuity or for straight forward advice from an omnipresent god force.
In fact the bible makes more sense taken from a standpoint of parable.

Don’t you think so.
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Siam · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject:

I wanted to establish my stance on why Jesus is not worthy of being a God with seven new up-to-date reasons.

1: We all have a father in Heaven. Not Just Jesus.

2:That you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins . . . WE are all the Son of Man.

3: The Son of Man is Lord says Jesus. The Lord is part of us.

4: Exodus 20-4. "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below”. (ooop’s most religions do just this.)

5: The God “I Am” of the Old Testament. The God “I am” has sent me to you.

6: "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. Jesus doesn’t even want us to worship him.

7:Jesus said that the Kingdom of God is within. And the Prophets said-are we not all Gods.

We are all aspects of God. We are not separate, for how can we be.

The energy of Christ fills my being.
The Fathers Kingdom comes.
Praise the Lord/Law.
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Nobby · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject:

Hi Siam, it may not really bother him, but how about canceling this Raggy thing. OK? Very Happy

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Siam · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject:

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45degreeN · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:01 am Post subject:

You've taken many of the very verses that we point to as proof and turned their meaning inside out mostly through sheer ignorance. Either that or tried to put a modern meaning on a first century expression. Which seems to me rather predictable given your point of view on so many things here.

Jesus taught with parables so that people like you could listen and not hear, see and not perceive. You may go on your merry way believing anything you choose just dont bother confusing what "you hold as true" is anything remotely connected with Christianity.
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Siam · Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject:

ShardikSon · Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject:

All very interesting, Mr Siam.

I have been through all that stuff before. some years back, and while some of what you say has some truth to it, the end result is less than impressive.

You are skittering around the event horizon of the black hole at the center of your own private little universe, and marveling at the view.

I have no intention of trying to take the place of the LORD in any way, even if it is just inside my own feeble little mind.

God is a much Bigger, and we are a much smaller part of our own little universe than you can even imagine.
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Siam · Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject:

ShardikSon · Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:46 am Post subject:

It is all in your perspective, Brother.
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Siam · Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject:

ShardikSon · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject:

Siam · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject:

Romans 8:14

14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

I’m not sure why you sent me this Shardikson! It’s great, and yes this is what I’m trying to say. This is the heart of Jesus teaching.
I come across from an ego perspective and can be classified as arrogant at times, but I live not for my body, (As nice as it is.) or for the my face (Which is handsome.) but for my eternal self.

That part of "us" that is infinitely eternal.

Thank you,

A triple P.
(Pleasant Positive Post.) Very Happy

Peace.

Siam.
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