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trettep
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I don't believe Jesus IS God but rather OF God. I believe that Jesus has God inside Him and that His and the Father's (God) Spirit are one.
So it makes no difference to my belief system to have such claims that Jesus is not God because I don't believe the scriptures assert it.
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Siam
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| trettep wrote: | I don't believe Jesus IS God but rather OF God. I believe that Jesus has God inside Him and that His and the Father's (God) Spirit are one.
So it makes no difference to my belief system to have such claims that Jesus is not God because I don't believe the scriptures assert it.
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Cool neither do I. 
So do you believe that we all have the potential to emulate Jesus message and bring forth a form of Christ consciousness?
Also do you understand that everything is God…that the evil (so perceived) is as important as the good?
Just askin’
Its not often I receive a balanced reply.
Peace.
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trettep
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| Siam wrote: |
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So do you believe that we all have the potential to emulate Jesus message and bring forth a form of Christ consciousness?
Also do you understand that everything is God…that the evil (so perceived) is as important as the good?
Just askin’
Its not often I receive a balanced reply.
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Siam, I do believe we will all become Christlike and have the mind of Christ. I don't believe that all evil is of God. God says that He doesn't tempt and that He doesn't lie. Those are evils things. However, God does say that He is the creator of evil and I believe He controls that framework that evil is exercised in. I don't believe that evil is from other figure that resides outside of man but instead I think evil is born from man and believe Satan is a reference to the spirit of the evil of man. This is why I believe Jesus rebuked Peter and called him Satan and why He said that Satan tends to the things of man - not the other way around.
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Siam
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Hi ya Tret;
I like what you have to say.
You seem to have a balanced perspective on the Bible and the spirituality surrounding it.
But answer this for me if you will.
Do you believe that Jesus Died for our sins and three days later rose again so that those who believe this will be saved.
Just askin’
Peace.
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trettep
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| Siam wrote: | Hi ya Tret;
I like what you have to say.
You seem to have a balanced perspective on the Bible and the spirituality surrounding it.
But answer this for me if you will.
Do you believe that Jesus Died for our sins and three days later rose again so that those who believe this will be saved.
Just askin’
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Hi Siam, I believe Jesus died as a sin offering. So in that sense He died for our sins. And yes I do believe He rose again the third day.
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Siam
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Trettep,
Who do you think wrote the bible?
If you don't mind me asking.
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trettep
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| Siam wrote: | Hi Trettep,
Who do you think wrote the bible?
If you don't mind me asking.
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Which one? - heh. There are several different versions of the Bible. But actually, what I assume you mean is who wrote what we revere as God's Word. Well for example, I consider God's Word those scriptures that came to us via men moved by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. After all, it is by WORDS that God DELIVERS His Spirit to us.
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Yehushuan
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| trettep wrote: | | After all, it is by WORDS that God DELIVERS His Spirit to us. |
So deaf, blind people cannot receive God's spirit?
(Where DOES he come up with this stuff from?)
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Siam
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| trettep wrote: |
Which one? - heh. There are several different versions of the Bible. But actually, what I assume you mean is who wrote what we revere as God's Word. Well for example, I consider God's Word those scriptures that came to us via men moved by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. After all, it is by WORDS that God DELIVERS His Spirit to us.
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From my understanding there is only one bible with many variations.
The old testament being from ancient Aramaic and Hebrew writings and the New Testament based around a man god called Jesus who himself is based on ancient mythology.
The sourcing out of gospels, additions and stories of followers added to the currant bible where carefully picked to create a religion that would be embraced by the simple folk of 400ad.
They then killed all those that didn’t embrace there God.
All because of a book written by men.
You say its god inspired, I say everything is God inspired.
Any thoughts.
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trettep
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| Siam wrote: |
From my understanding there is only one bible with many variations.
The old testament being from ancient Aramaic and Hebrew writings and the New Testament based around a man god called Jesus who himself is based on ancient mythology.
The sourcing out of gospels, additions and stories of followers added to the currant bible where carefully picked to create a religion that would be embraced by the simple folk of 400ad.
They then killed all those that didn’t embrace there God.
All because of a book written by men.
You say its god inspired, I say everything is God inspired.
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We can't all believe it Siam. God said there would be scoffers and if we all believed then that would mean that God lied which He can't do. The Good News is that He didn't say there would eternally be scoffers.
I'm confident that your belief system will change at the appropriate time.
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Siam
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I find that most people who are willing to do REAL research into bible history do it from an academic stand point without prejudice and usually with the idea of empowerment.
The truth is mounting.
No serious researcher can now say that the bible old or new is based on fact. There are way, way, way, too many references to ancient scripture written 100’s sometimes thousands of years before Jesus that have been taken and inserted into the new testament to become part of the Jesus myth.
Like all spiritual writing, the bible is a representation of the inner workings of us.
We are all gods, or at least an aspect of the God force.
We can not be separate.
To follow a book that goes back to ancient times, a book that has been alterd, changed, made up and sourced from other, even older material in a time when most of the populace was illiterate and or superstitious is ludicrous.
Jesus say’s he is the son of man…who isn’t?
The Christ returning is the one in our souls when we accept that we are all aspects of God.
The Father in heaven is the higher aspect of our selves. For as Jesus remarks we all have a Father in heaven.
And the Lord is real as well, it is the indefinable source that brings to us all we need, even if we don’t want it.
The Law is the Lord.
Faith is not truth.
And neither is the bible.
But there is truth in myth
and understanding in scripture.
In the light and love of truth, Siam.
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Siam
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Boy do I have a love-don’t like very much, relationship with this forum.
The Christians drive me crazy with there dogmatic denial of the truth pertaining to the makeup of the New Testament and its pre disposed view of the old.
While the atheists discuss the absolute belief in nothing spiritual, while involving themselves in dogmatic denial of the bible having any purpose.
I, and a few like myself, see a middle path that seems to flow through the centre of most spiritual scripture.
The path that leads to the true essence of who we are.
GOD.
For how can we be separate from GOD?
Oh… that’s right, we are separate because the bible tells us we are.
Hang on… no it doesn’t… Jesus said that the kingdom of God is within.
That we all have a Father in Heaven!
That means that we are all Son’s of Man- All Son’s of God!
WOW!
All of us are Son’s of God.
That means that Christ must be within us. We have become anointed.
We can put our faith in the Lord, and Love the Lord with all our hearts, and the Lord can fill our hearts, for we are one with the Lord.
One with the word.
For the Lord is the Law.
The living law the word.
I give thanks and praise to the higher Law. The Lord my God.
I give thanks and praise to my loving Father, I AM.
I give thanks and praise to the Christ within me.
I give thanks and praise to the God in All.
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ragman13
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Siam wrote: | | The truth is mounting. |
| Quote: | | No serious researcher can now say that the bible old or new is based on fact. |
Really?
| Quote: | | There are way, way, way, too many references to ancient scripture written 100’s sometimes thousands of years before Jesus that have been taken and inserted into the new testament to become part of the Jesus myth. |
Well since you are the serious researcher would you care to provide proof of this?
Hopefully you have something different from the last time you posted something like this.
| Quote: | | To follow a book that goes back to ancient times, a book that has been alterd[sic], changed, made up and sourced from other, even older material in a time when most of the populace was illiterate and or superstitious is ludicrous. |
Again any proof of this or are you just ranting and expressing what you want to believe.
| Quote: | | Jesus say’s he is the son of man…who isn’t? |
Do you even know why Jesus calls himself the "son of man"? It is a reference to the book of Daniel.
| Quote: | The Christ returning is the one in our souls when we accept that we are all aspects of God.
The Father in heaven is the higher aspect of our selves. |
Could you explain what you mean by aspect here?
| Quote: | Faith is not truth.
And neither is the bible. |
Again could you share any proof of such nonsense.
| Quote: | The path that leads to the true essence of who we are.
GOD.
For how can we be separate from GOD? |
Was the universe created? Did it have a beginning?
| Quote: | Oh… that’s right, we are separate because the bible tells us we are.
Hang on… no it doesn’t… |
Isaiah 59:1-2
Behold, the LORD'S hand is not so short That it cannot save; Nor is His ear so dull That it cannot hear.But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden {His} face from you so that He does not hear.
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Siam
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Romans 12:12: "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is - that which is good and acceptable and perfect."
This debate bores me.
You research the facts, I already have.
The spiritual message of the bible goes way deeper than worshiping a man god. You don’t believe this, fine.
But I don’t have anything new for you. I have written extensively on this topic and you can follow my posts or visit my web page if you choose to know more about where I’m coming from.
Siam.
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ragman13
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Ok Siam I will leave the false accusations about the Bible alone for now, but remember it was you that invited the debate to return to here.
| Siam wrote: | | I would love to have an open discussion on this subject, but not a debate! I have reopened my debate page titled the 6 reasons Jesus is not God, so go debate with me there. |
http://bible-discussion.com/message-board-forum/viewtopic.php?p=135751#135751
How about answering the rest of my questions then.
| Quote: | The path that leads to the true essence of who we are.
GOD.
For how can we be separate from GOD? |
Was the universe created? Did it have a beginning?
| Quote: | The Christ returning is the one in our souls when we accept that we are all aspects of God.
The Father in heaven is the higher aspect of our selves. |
Could you explain what you mean by aspect here?
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