The six claims that make Jesus not worthy of being a god.

Siam

Six claims that Jesus is not worthy of being considered a God.

1: The verse that opens John 1 is an Essene verse written over a Hundred years before Jesus’s supposed birth.

2: In 753 B.C. Romulus and Remes had a virgin mother, a father in heaven, a kingly blood line was crucified and ascended to sit at the right hand of the father.

3: There are numerous saviour gods who have lived and died for our sin’s, had virgin births and where crucified, here’s a few: Osiris, Bel, Atys, Tammaz, Dionysius, Krishna,
Indra, Quetzalalcestis, Mithra… This is just few folks.

4: The mass murder of baby boys in Bethlehem by King Herod is taken from the Krishna story and as a matter of FACT there is no mention of it in any of the extensive histories of King Herod.

5: The name Jesus Christ was non-existent in all now called Christian text until the fourth century.

6: And the very name Christ is an evolution of the ancient Hindu name of the sun, Krst.

This can all be verified by historical writings and comes from the extensive research of Tony Bushby. It is not the vain imaginings of me.
And still I believe this makes the bible more powerful. It is older than we think and comes from the source of our existence.
This is not a bad thing; as a matter of fact it’s a great thing because we can claim back our power instead of giving it over to a man made belief system.
Learn more about empowering your self at my web page: http://www.iamchristlord.com/
It’s a freewebs page so it might just take you to there site; if so just google www.iamchristlord and it will be in the search engine.

With love Siam.

Yep I’m back.

Grace · Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject:

Siam said

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

admin · Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 12:15 am Post subject:

Hi Siam,
I appreciate your post and the discussion it promotes. Can you please provide links for the information you mention? I image much of it, if not all, is on Wikipedia. The link you left is more like a GeoCities home page, not really a reference source. Just trying to get the discussion off on the right foot.
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FFT · Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:05 am Post subject:

45degreeN · Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: Tony Bushby is a fraud

Siam, it seems you have been taken in by a fraud, an imposter. Someone without any credibility anywhere but his own mind. Nobody with an ounce of knowledge concerning scripture would give this person the time of day much less allow Him to get past the second sentence of his drivel.

Claims of his relating to the 14,800 differences between some "Sinai Bible" are flat out false. I have seen the greatest Bible collection on Earth, Dr Gene Scott's in Los Angeles and the history behind how we got our English Bible. These claims of Tony Bushby are so unreasonable as to beggar the question.

Comparisons from the Dead Sea Scrolls which date from the 1st century BCE to modern day translations leave only minor and disputed variants. Mr Bushby is plainly a fraud and I would recommend not reading anything he has to say.

Checkout this reference to Bushby's work www.tektonics.org/af/bushby01.html

Siam · Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:19 pm Post subject:

Siam · Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject:

Hi Dim1, Thanks for the polite reply, much better than the “get lost” e’mail you sent me.
Checked out the tectonics site. It’s flawed and biased. There is a million Christians defending there belief, he is just another one, probably thinks the bible is historical truth.
No one wants there belief system attacked. Bushby is one of many researchers who are looking at the depth and truth of the bible writings. It is scary having the rug pulled out from under you, but I would prefer that to having the wool pulled over my eyes.
You say I should not read his works; maybe we should just burn all his books!
I find that most people who are willing to do REAL research into bible history do it from an academic stand point without prejudice and usually with the idea of empowerment. The truth is mounting. No serious researcher can now say that the bible old or new is based on fact. There are way, way, way, too many references to ancient scripture written 100’s sometimes thousands of years before Jesus that have been taken and inserted into the new testament to become part of the Jesus myth.
Like all spiritual writing, the bible is a representation of the inner workings of us. We are all gods, or at least an aspect of the God force. We can not be separate.
To follow a book that goes back to ancient times, a book that has been alterd, changed, made up and sourced from other, even older material in a time when most of the populace was illiterate and or superstitious is, just like the rapper, ludicrous.
Jesus say’s he is the son of man…who isn’t? All the Jesus Christ is Lord and Savoir bunk is from the radical writings of those who want to control and disempower the masses.
The only Christ returning is the one in our souls when we accept that we are all aspects of God. The only Father in heaven is the higher aspect of our selves. For as Jesus remarks we all have a Father in heaven. And the Lord is real as well, it is the indefinable source that brings to us all we need, even if we don’t want it. Why do I believe this?
Read my web page…
Just to let you know, I’m not anti-Christian, I’m anti-religion and anti-ignorance.
Faith is not truth. And neither is the bible. But there is truth in myth and understanding in scripture.
In the light and love of truth, Siam.

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

you say you are anti ignorant...but from reading your post you seem to wallow in it just fine...you give great boasting words of nothing but your own confusion...saying... "believe me and scholar pat e cake....we have the truth....the bible is wrong...we are right...look at us...we are big now...look at us...over here...we got it all figured out"...

poor, pitiful, blind, wretched, rag doll puppet of the devil Rolling Eyes

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Siam · Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject:

Hi FFt:

your quote:Well, now I'm suspicious. What power, exactly?

The power to understand that we really know nothing. The power to believe in the goodness of self. The power to see in everyone an aspect of the divine. The power to let go of other peoples belief systems. The power to stand up to and denounce ignorance.
Jesus say's in the bible, "YOUR FAITH HAS MADE YOU WELL."
Faith in yourself. If you need an out side force, bully for you.
"In matters of religion it is very easy to decieve a man, and very hard to undeceive him." pierre Bayle.

love Siam.

Siam · Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject:

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

no sir...by GOD's grace you will not see me there....maybe you thought that was a cool little line that would make you look smooth...it was stupid...

and you have not done anything but sing your own worth or lack of...

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

Siam · Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject:

Seldomscene:
Had to rush the last post hence the spelling mistakes, on word now so it can deal with my English.
The fear in your e-mail is evident and typical. In lack of any flip side knowledge you revert to the easiest form of attack that religious persons use, the ol’ tool of the devil scenario. My opinions of your belief should not even move you. If you are solid in your “truth” cool.
What I want to get to the core of is how real is this book you are all worshiping, this man god who “saves us by dieing” ??? I went through school learning the bible. It never really made any sense, as a matter of fact it only truly made sense when I could look at it as a book of myth.
Now myth is not a bad thing, we learn a lot from myth. The aboriginal in Australia kept alive in the harshest environment known to man with the help of there “dreaming’.
I love the bible, I see its use. That’s why I came looking for a bible discussion page and not a Christian page. I have been looking into the origins and the meaning of the bible for over 12 years. I think its really cool how it uses parts of ancient scripture to form the story of the new testament. At least the message has been preserved.
If you do not have anything of practical use, that will actually be helpful in the search for truth or anything new to bring to the table, I would kindly suggest not reading my post as they will only serve to irritate.
Let knowledge be the playing field.
With love Siam.

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

i haven't e mailed you stop lying....show where i have emailed you...anything i have to say i will say here in the open...so if you are going to lie and say we are carrying on conversations off these boards, then i know why you are so easily mislead....cause youre a nutcase...

and you have shown nothing that disproves anything nor have you posted anything that is ....'scarey'...just more of nothing i studied for years... Rolling Eyes

...'high self'...puffed up in your own fleshly mind...speaking about things to which you are ignorant...raging against JESUS, cause HE is GOD and you are not...quite sad really...

so you seee...no you are not a deeeep, mystical, mind of wisdom like you think...you are just another confused, rebellious heathen, who wants his words of vanity to equal and surpass those of CHRIST....just another railer railing cause he ain't GOD... Rolling Eyes

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but i understand saim...it is hard for you to face the truth about the nonsense that you believe...it is hard for one as warped and wrappped up in confusion as you to have to come clean and say they are full of snot...it is embarassing and humiliating for you so you have to rail...i understand...but the truth will set you free saim...you are not GOD, nor will you ever be...but JESUS is...HE is the truth... Very Happy