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Young Wolf
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I am not disputing the fact that all believers recieve the holy spirit.
but who are the believers?
There are many who believe in the Gospel through their own understanding and not by way of the spirit. private interpretation is not of the spirit because we are given a spirit of unity and togetherness... any understanding of scripture that causes division can not be and is not of the spirit. The spirit guides us into the whole truth so that all believers are in unity. But those who depend on their own private interpretaion fall into a spirit of falsehood.
We are told we are to test the spirits are we not?
so how infact do we do that..... again we need to turn to scripture to find out.
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world......
We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is NOT FROM GOD does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
Do you recall Christs words to his apostles?
whoever listens to you listens to me, whoever rejects you rejects me also.
If we are not in spiritual unity with the apostolic church, if our personal interpretation of scripture causes you to be in any way shape or form disunited to the apostolic church.... for your own good reject it. |
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daviddale3
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The words "knowing this first" would be better rendered "this first understanding..." As a primary requisite to the study of prophecy, it must be recognized that it is not of "private interpretation." "Prophecy of scripture' refers to all prophecy whether in the Old Testament or the New. The verb "is" in this passage is of significance and sheds much light on the meaning of the passage. It is translated from the verb ginomai, to become, to spring into being, and not from the simple and ordinary eimi, is. The meaning is, No prophecy comes or springs into exsistence by means of private interpretation. "Private (idias) refers to that which is perculiarly one's own; and "interpretation' is from epilusis, expanation, exposition. It follows, then, that no prophecy of the scripure came into existence merely as the result of the prophet's own personal explanation, but originated, as he point out in the verse which follows, by holy men of God who were influenced by the Holy Spirit. Since the prophecy of scripture is not the product of those who delivered it, nor did it originate as expositions of their own intellects, but came by the inspiration of the Spirit of God, Peter's readers would indeed do well to give heed thereto, "as unto a lamp shining in a dark place."
The private interpretation refers, not to those who read the prophecy, but to those who delivered it-the prophets themselves. The passage teaches nothing about men interpreting of explaining the scriptures, but deals exclusively with the manner in which the prophets recieved and delivered the message for which they were instruments in the hands of God. Often they themselves did not understand the significance of the things which the spoke (I peter 1:10-12). |
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Young Wolf
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I am sorry David but I think your mistaken. If you take it in context of the whole of the letter It very clearly refers to the christians peter is refering to.
When WE told YOU about the power and coming of our lord Jesus Christ, we were not slavishly repeating cleverly invented myths; no WE had seen his majesty with our own eyes.......So
| Quote: | WE have confirmation of the words of the prophets; and YOU will be right to pay attention to it as a lamp for lighting the way through the dark, until the dawn comes and the morning star rises in your minds.
At the same time, WE must recognise that the INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTUAL prohecy is NEVER a matter FOR THE INDIVIDUAL. For no prophecy ever came from human initiative.
When preople spoke for God it was the Holy spirit that moved them. As there were false teachers in the past history of OUR people, so YOU too will have YOUR FALSE TEACHERS, who will insinuate THEIR OWN DISRUPTIVE VIEWS and, by DISOWNING THE LORD (whoever listens to you listens to me, whoever rejects you rejects me also) who bought them freedom, will bring upon themseslves a speedy destruction. Many Will copy their behaviour and THE WAY OF TRUTH will be brought into DISREPUTE ON THEIR ACCOUNT. |
please just read that.
why would peter 1st segragate himself and the apostles from the ordinary people reccomend reading the prophets until "you" get a understanding of christ then go on to warn about private interpretation and false prophets?
The scripture has to be taken in context of the letter.
Remember that later in the same letter he refers to the letters of Paul saying there are things that are hard to understand and again warns the untaught and unstable twist them as they do with the rest of scripture.
The letter is clearly a warning against private interpretation of the scriptures that leads to false teachings and reasuring the peoples that the teaching of the apostles is from God.
Peter 3:1-2 (ESV)
1 This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder,
2 that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles
First In the Old Testament, the name "man of God" occurs more than sixty times and consistently refers to those who receive direct revelation from God. For example:
Deuteronomy 33:1 And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.
1Kings 17:24 And the woman said to Elijah, "Now I know that you are a man of God, and that the word of the LORD in your mouth is truth."
2Kings 5:8 But when Elisha the man of God heard that the king of Israel had rent his clothes, he sent to the king
Nehemiah 12:24 ...give thanks, according to the commandment of David the man of God
In the New Testament, the term "man of God" or "men of God" occurs only three times. When used in 2Peter 1:21 (KJV/NKJ), the same "private interpretation" passage discussed earlier, it refers to prophets and thus repeats the Old Testament usage. Then Paul used the name "man of God" in reference to apostle Timothy: "as for you, man of God, aim at righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness" (1st Tim 6:11). Given this overall biblical pattern, "man of God" is an exclusive name designating those of highest authority - it does not refer to each and every believer. Therefore the third and final reference to "man of God" in the New Testament, again found in Paul's letter to apostle Timothy, is significant:
All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. I charge you [apostle Timothy] in the presence of God...preach the word, convince, rebuke, and exhort, be unfailing in patience and in teaching...discharge all the duties of your ministry (2nd Timothy 3:16-4:5).
Indeed we find Timothy as Bishop of Ephesus in AD 65, where he served for 15 years. In 80, Timothy tried to halt a pagan procession of idols, ceremonies, and songs. In response to his preaching of the Gospel the angry pagans beat him, dragged him through the streets, and stoned him to death.
Since the bible places apostles at the center of biblical interpretation, applies the name "man of God" in an exclusive fashion, and indeed calls apostle Timothy a "man of God" (1st Tim 6:11) - the weight of evidence indicates that "man of God" above refers to apostles.
Certainly had Paul intended to reference all Christians in 2nd Timothy 3:17, then saying instead "...that the saints may be complete..." would have properly made the point by harmonizing with the sixty plus uses of the common word "saint" or "saints" in the New Testament. Yet Paul chose the rare and exclusive term. And indeed the underlined words above show the connection to the formal work of a minister. |
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daviddale3
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What translation are you reading from? Reads completly different then mine.
| Quote: | | Then Paul used the name "man of God" in reference to apostle Timothy: "as for you, man of God, aim at righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness" (1st Tim 6:11). |
Where in scripture is Timothy ever indentified as an apostle? Nowhere. In fact it teaches otherwise. Look at Acts 8:14-19, it very clearly teaches that the Holy Ghost is given by the laying on of the aposltes hands (Peter and Jonh at this time). In connection with this, look at Acts 19:1-7. Here we find that those whom Apollos had taught had not recieved the Holy Ghost. It was not untill Paul laid his hands upon them that it took place. The thing that we need to see in this case is that the reciepents began to exercise the gift of the Holy Ghost (verse 6). Only an apostle had this power.
We find in II Timoth 1:6 that this is the very thing that happened to Timothy. "Wherefore I put thee in rememberence that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands." Paul was an apostle, he had this power, and he could utilize it. Yet, we find that those who had had the hands of an apostle laid upon them could not do the same. Again in Acts 8:14-19, two things:
1) They sent Peter and John to these new converts. Ask yourself why. Verse 18 gives the answer. Phillip evadentually did not have this power and so we can deduce from this that he was not an apostle. Same goes with Timothy.
2) II Corinthians 12:12 states "Truely the sighns of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds." There was a way that an apostle could be regognized. By the acts which they performed. As we study, we find that the aposltes did many different wonderful things. Peter healed someone who was lame (Acts 3:1-11). The apostles spoke in toungues (Acts 2:1-4). Peter raised a woman from the dead (Acts 9:36-43). Could tell when someone lied (Acts 5:1-11). And so on... These were the signs, many different gifts posessed by them. Yet this is not so for others. I Corinthians 12 shows that the christian at Corinth only posessed on gift per individual. (Hope I have not lost you yet.) Now re-read II Timothy 1:6. It states gift, singular in nature. Timothy only posessed one gift, not many. This also shows that Timothy was not an apostle.
If Timothy was an apostle, as you suggest, why then did Paul write to him in the first place and go about giveing him this advice? It would seem clear that he would not have. In the scriptures that we have we never see an confirmed apostle writing to another confirmed apostle. Peter never wrote to Paul. Paul never wrote to John. Jorn never wrote to James. Why? There was no need for it. They were the inspired ones. They wrote to the uninspired.
| Quote: | | I charge you [apostle Timothy] in the presence of God... |
This seems very shady. Being as Paul never identified Timothy as an apostle, I find it unapporopriate to interject it here.
| Quote: | | Since the bible places apostles at the center of biblical interpretation, applies the name "man of God" in an exclusive fashion, and indeed calls apostle Timothy a "man of God" (1st Tim 6:11) - the weight of evidence indicates that "man of God" above refers to apostles. |
Again you are attributing apostleship to Timothy where we have no authority to do so. |
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Young Wolf
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What translation are you reading from? Reads completly different then mine. |
The NJB
Timothy was an apostle but not a biblical apostle, his apostleship was that as successor to St Paul
I am glad you aknowledge the holy spirit comes from God via the Apostles and their successors, that is a large step in the right direction for you. |
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daviddale3
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| Quote: | | Timothy was an apostle but not a biblical apostle, his apostleship was that as successor to St Paul |
Evidence please.
| Quote: | | I am glad you aknowledge the holy spirit comes from God via the Apostles and their successors, that is a large step in the right direction for you. |
Never said that. I acknowledge that the Holy Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles hands. There were no successors. Again you are making this claim, therefore, the burden is on you to supply evidence from Scripture that it is truth. |
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Young Wolf
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| Quote: | | Never said that. I acknowledge that the Holy Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles hands. There were no successors. Again you are making this claim, therefore, the burden is on you to supply evidence from Scripture that it is truth. |
There is historical means rather than scripture.
Any way I maybe wrong but I sense a certain amount of resistance rather than a willingness to contemplate. I want to reasure you that I am only trying to help you. I am not trying to con you, befuddle you or trick you.
Both the eastern orthodox and Cathlic faith will unite on this issue and when we do you can be sure that it is the truth of Jsus Christ...we must have apostolic succession...we are the church that Christ instituted . We are the church that is preserved from the gates of hell. we are the church that can bind we are the church that can loosen...we are the way the truth and the life...we are the voice of christ in the world...this aint no game. |
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daviddale3
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| nobody important wrote: | | There is historical means rather than scripture. |
Historical means can be perverted into anything you wish it to mean. This is why I asked for scriptural evidence.
| Quote: | | Any way I maybe wrong but I sense a certain amount of resistance rather than a willingness to contemplate. I want to reasure you that I am only trying to help you. I am not trying to con you, befuddle you or trick you. |
No, I am willing to contemplate what you are saying. Problem is I need evidence from God's Word, which you have not given.
| Quote: | | Both the eastern orthodox and Cathlic faith will unite on this issue and when we do you can be sure that it is the truth of Jsus Christ...we must have apostolic succession...we are the church that Christ instituted . We are the church that is preserved from the gates of hell. we are the church that can bind we are the church that can loosen...we are the way the truth and the life...we are the voice of christ in the world...this aint no game. |
No I can not. I base my authority on God's Word and God's Word alone. It matters not if the whole world were to become united on the issue, I would still not so easily be persuaded. I recall what God said to Moses in Exodus 23:2 "Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; niether shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgement:"
Why must we have apostolic succession? We have God's word to guide us (Psalm 119:105; II Timoty 3:16). All we have to do is study for ourselves. |
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Young Wolf
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Historical means can be perverted into anything you wish it to mean. This is why I asked for scriptural evidence. |
I understand what you are saying, but you must understand that Scripture itself can also be perverted into a anything you wish it to mean.
So we are left at a stalemate as I have already pointed to scriptural texts regarding Men of God and you refuse to accept that my only other recourse was to point to history which again you refuse to accept.
If the bible explicitly called St timothy a "apostle" I am sure you would have accepted that he was but unfortunatly for us it dosnt. It suggests it as St Paul refers to St Timothy as his "son"... his protege, his apprentice his successor to whom he entrusts the Christians in Corinth.
So then, men ought to regard us (the apostles) as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God. Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.
My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.
Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.
7 For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?
Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have become kings--and that without us! How I wish that you really had become kings so that we might be kings with you!
For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like men condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to men.
We (apostles) are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored! 11 To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless. 12 We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it; 13 when we are slandered, we answer kindly. Up to this moment we have become the scum of the earth, the refuse of the world.
14 I am not writing this to shame you, but to warn you, as my dear children. 15 Even though you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. 16 Therefore I urge you to imitate me.
17 For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy
http://www.catholicculture.org/lit/calendar/day.cfm?date=2007-01-26
Now I know that it isnt explicit and that you want complete scriptual confirmation...unfortunatly I can not give that to you. that is why i thought Scripture backed up by history may have given you a feeling of certitude if not actual certainty.
But since you reject both scriptual implications and historical evidences to support that I must admit I am at a loss as to how I could take it further.
| Quote: | | Why must we have apostolic succession? We have God's word to guide us (Psalm 119:105; II Timoty 3:16). All we have to do is study for ourselves. |
while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Notice First St Paul reminds Timothy of Those from whom he learned, The apostles particulary the apostle paul...only does then he goes on to address scripture, it reminds timothy of how he was taught by Paul by Paul explaining the scriptures that he already knew to him, how he used them to Teach rebuke, correct and train timothy in Christ so that he would become equipped to become a "man of god" and as we see in the wikapedia link St Paul makes St Timothy bishop of Ephesus In AD 65.
Now if "Man of God" applies to All Christians and not just to those of the highest authority, then I am wrong, the church is wrong and the orthodox churches are wrong...perhaps even st paul was wrong for using it because the question would still remain why would Paul use this rearly used term that throughout scripture only ever applies to men of the highest authority and not the much more inclusive term "saint"
Logically we need "Men of God" or Apostolic Succession in order to prevent false doctrine because if Christ give his authority to the apostles (which he did) and not to the scriptures or individual "saints" it is the apostles who have the authority to claify doctrines and not the scriptures or individual Christians...You have already acknoweldeged that the holy spirit is passed on by the laying on of hands, you will I have no doubt acknowledge that we are called to different roles by the holy spirit as explained by the apostles in the bible. Timothy was called to be a bishop an apostle by the spirit and was ordained by paul by the laying on of hands. The laying on of hands has continued in an unbroken line from the time apostles to now and still men are called by the spirit to become the succesors of the apostles. |
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daviddale3
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| nobody important wrote: | | I understand what you are saying, but you must understand that Scripture itself can also be perverted into a anything you wish it to mean. |
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| Quote: | So we are left at a stalemate as I have already pointed to scriptural texts regarding Men of God and you refuse to accept that my only other recourse was to point to history which again you refuse to accept.
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I do not accept your position for the fact that it is a weak arguement. Some thoughts as to why I see it this way.
First, in order to successfully claim that Timothy is truely an apostle, we must first understand what an apostle is and how to recognize them.
1) An Aposlte had to have seen the risen Savior. I Corithian 9:1; I Corintians 15:1-9. Nowhere in scripture is there any indication that he did.
2) Again, II Corinthians 12:12 states very clearly that there was a way to recognize an apostle. It was by the signs and wonders and mighty deeds. Let us look at this for a minute. Why were there signs to show a true apostle? Simple, they were needed. How else could a person know that the message being proclaimed was from God. John tells us that during this time there were many false prophets gone out into the world (I John 4:1). The people needed a way to identify the real from the fake. It was in the use of the signs that they would be distinguished. As I have indicated before Timothy only possessed one gift and not many. This would seperate timothy from the rest of the apostles.
3) In Acts 8:18 (as I had indicated previously) clearly states that it was only through the apostles laying their hands upon an individual that the Holy Ghost was given. The apostles were the only ones who had this power. No one else possessed this power. In fact, in verse 19 we see that Simon the sorcerer offered the apostles money in order to have this same power. Yet he could not. We see this agian in Acts 19:1-7, as Paul came to Ephesus. If your logic were correct then these men were apostles to. How? Read II Timothy 1:6. It was by the putting on of the Apostle Paul's hands that Timothy recieved his gift, the same as with the 12 at Ephesus. One problem through, there is no indication anywhere in scripture of those 12 ever being exsaulted to the position of apostle. If they were, why did not Paul ever indicate it? Simple, they were not apostles, and since they were not, Timothy copuld not have been either.
Shall we continue?
| Quote: | | It suggests it as St Paul refers to St Timothy as his "son"... his protege, his apprentice his successor to whom he entrusts the Christians in Corinth. |
Could this not just be a term of indearment.
| Quote: | | But since you reject both scriptual implications and historical evidences to support that I must admit I am at a loss as to how I could take it further. |
You have only given one scriptual implication and no history.
| Quote: | | Logically we need "Men of God" or Apostolic Succession in order to prevent false doctrine because if Christ give his authority to the apostles (which he did) and not to the scriptures or individual "saints" it is the apostles who have the authority to claify doctrines and not the scriptures or individual Christians.. |
No we do not. We have the Word of God that can do these things. The doctrines have been given, and they are easy to understand. All one has to do is put their preconcieved ideas in the trash and study with an open mind and heart. You put yourself in a grave position my friend when you rely upon others to interpret doctine for you. This is the NUMBER ONE reason false doctine thrives in Christiandom today.
| Quote: | | You have already acknoweldeged that the holy spirit is passed on by the laying on of hands, you will I have no doubt acknowledge that we are called to different roles by the holy spirit as explained by the apostles in the bible. |
First part an infatic YESSSS. The second part, NO. The Holy Spirit directs and convicts me through the Word.
| Quote: | | Timothy was called to be a bishop an apostle by the spirit and was ordained by paul by the laying on of hands. |
Where did this come from? The only thing that is stated in scripture is that Timothy was given a GIFT, and that is all. Please refrain from injected your dogmas into scripture.
| Quote: | | The laying on of hands has continued in an unbroken line from the time apostles to now and still men are called by the spirit to become the succesors of the apostles. |
Evidence |
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| nobody important, where are you? |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: Apologetics |
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| I'm new to this forum, but I want to tell you all how wonderful I feel when I study the word of God. It is a high that is better than any high the world ever gave me. That is why I like the study of Christian apologetics. The first time I heard that phrase I thought it meant we were apologizing for being Christians. Now I know it is exactly opposite of that. I'll keep studying; I'll keep listening to you all and to God, then I'll post some good news too. God bless you as you study. Pastor Jim |
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[quote="nobody important"] | Quote: |
Both the eastern orthodox and Cathlic faith will unite on this issue and when we do you can be sure that it is the truth of Jsus Christ...we must have apostolic succession...we are the church that Christ instituted . We are the church that is preserved from the gates of hell. we are the church that can bind we are the church that can loosen...we are the way the truth and the life...we are the voice of christ in the world...this aint no game. |
The Roman Catholic Church can easily be demonstrated to be the most corrupt institution that has ever existed. |
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| nobody important wrote: |
Both the eastern orthodox and Cathlic faith will unite on this issue and when we do you can be sure that it is the truth of Jsus Christ...we must have apostolic succession...we are the church that Christ instituted . We are the church that is preserved from the gates of hell. we are the church that can bind we are the church that can loosen...we are the way the truth and the life...we are the voice of christ in the world...this aint no game. |
You are basing your entire theory on a false presupposition as to what the "Church" really is. The word which is translated as "Church" is “ekklesia” and comes from two Greek words: Ek means "out" and Kaleo means "call", and this is the verb form. When we put the two together and write the noun form of it, it is Ekklesia and means the "called out ones."
This is therefore a reference to the people that God has called out of the world and has nothing to do with an institution. Nowhere in the Bible does God ever speak about an earthly institution. These are always a creation of fallen man, and always bear the fruits of man's fallen nature.
The true ekklesia of Jesus Christ is united under Him alone and is not bound by any man made institution. Any institution therefore which claims to hold the keys to mans salvation is a fraud.
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| daviddale wrote: | | "nobody important, where are you?" |
Hello.
| pastor Jim wrote: | | I'm new to this forum, but I want to tell you all how wonderful I feel when I study the word of God. It is a high that is better than any high the world ever gave me. That is why I like the study of Christian apologetics. The first time I heard that phrase I thought it meant we were apologizing for being Christians. Now I know it is exactly opposite of that. I'll keep studying; I'll keep listening to you all and to God, then I'll post some good news too. God bless you as you study. Pastor Jim |
that in itself is good news, we need more good Apologists, remember that we are all students of God, we are on a continuous learning curve that different people are at different levels of understanding, always be mindfull that love of neighbour is the first act of good apologetics. |
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