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P1234567890
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 Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| joman wrote: | | P- wrote: | | I get it. You think that you know more about science than all of the scientists on the planet, including all of the Nobel Prize winners. |
This is a loser's argument.
Thanks, for the admission.
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It isn't a loser's argument at all! You think that you know what does and what does not constitute science. You think that evolution is not science, and you think that the arguments against evolution are scientific.
These opinions of yours are starkly at odds with what the VAST majority of scientists on our planet say. In other words, you think that you know what is and what is not scientific better than all of the mainstream scientists on our planets. Seriously, who knows more about science... all of the scientists out there (who disagree with you), or you? What are your scientific credentials?
So no, my argument is not a "loser's argument"... It is a devastating and rational criticism of your warped view of reality.
And really, you shouldn't be calling me a loser. That is a personal insult, and not very Christian of you. If you want to have a proper discussion, then why not actually try to rebut my argument rather than call me names?
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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FFT
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| joman wrote: | I guess you've never typed it into a search eh?
So, I should study for you? Nah!
You want to pretend ignorance then have at it. I could care less if you respond.
But, for all you not so gullible please do a search, live and learn. |
 Fine.
Okay it's a page on DNA, RNA and proteins. I mean sure, here I was thinking you were talking about evolution the whole time, so my apologies there. But what exactly do you think this proves?
| joman wrote: | | FFT wrote: | | They've already got the organs and nipples, the hormones simply activate the organs. Further, humans aren't the only species in which males can lactate. At the very least, the Dayak (or Dyak) fruit bat can. |
See how it is? Now you've gone and searched and found out some things eh?
Hmmm...you've failed to mention why? |
Uh. Why what?
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joman
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| FFT wrote: | | But what exactly do you think this proves? |
It proves that natural selection is not the only means of accessing the genome.
FFT, your smart. Go check it out among your own peers.
But, you've got to allow the input of the quashed minority (it's in house fighting). You must learn to type words like "+problems" "-B.S." excetra. It's the opposing view that sharpens the analysis.
P- if you care try, "big bang +problems +contradictions". You'll discover real scientists that are aware that the myths don't float even though they wish it were so.
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joman
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| P- wrote: | | You think that you know what does and what does not constitute science. |
Of course I know what does and doesn't constitute science.
I even know about your false science of evolution.
For example, if this discussion about "what is science" goes on further you'll end up claiming that the new (false) definition of "scientific fact" is better than the old (true) one.
| P- wrote: | | You think that evolution is not science, . |
I know that evolution isn't science.
| P- wrote: | | and you think that the arguments against evolution are scientific |
The scientific facts are against evolution.
The logic is against evolution.
The chances are against evolution.
| P- wrote: | | These opinions of yours are starkly at odds with what the VAST majority of scientists on our planet say. |
My teacher is different.
| P- wrote: | | you think that you know what is and what is not scientific better than all of the mainstream scientists on our planets. |
Your resorting to absolutes so, the answer is, no.
However, there exists no free market of scientific opinion. Go check out the harrassed scientists that know that the theories of relativity are false. You have to get out of your cocoon and look around.
| P- wrote: | | Seriously, who knows more about science... all of the scientists out there (who disagree with you), or you? |
All the scientists (who agree with me) know more about their subjects than do I. This is of course only about "evolution, the big bang, relativity" excetra theorists. These are the false sciences that sit on top of true science and distort the truth with bogus interpretations of selective facts as per the guidance of Lucifer. (albeit unwittingly)
The bottom line is that my advantage is my knowledge that the AV Bible is true along with a God given ability to reason and a love for the truth.
If you state as fact any thing contrary to the express statements of the AV Bible you will be found wrong. Not because I say so but, because your banging on the Anvil of Truth with a clay hammer. All I have to do is wait.E.G. The Bible states there will be never be any global warming threat as being politically propogandized by a large consortium of scientists. There's your majority. Who do you think is right God, or those scientists? I propose that the chicken little-uns are wrong.
| P- wrote: | | So no, my argument is not a "loser's argument"... It is a devastating and rational criticism of your warped view of reality |
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The best I can figure is that your conclusion here is reached by claiming the majority opinion of scientists carries more scientific weight than does the written word of God, the AV Bible?
Well, it comes down to faith doesn't it?
| P- wrote: | | And really, you shouldn't be calling me a loser. |
And, you should take a course in English comprehension.
I didn't call you a loser. That is your emotive self leading you to a conclusion not supported by the literal reading of my statements.
I said that you were using a "loser's" argument. Not, to say you are a loser but, to get you to sharpen up and face facts or move on. When you claim your right because the majority says so, then you are have lost the debate. That doesn't mean you won't obtain the popular vote however. So, don't sweat it.
| P- wrote: | | That is a personal insult, and not very Christian of you. |
If it pleases you to think that. I however, think that you're aware that you're not on solid ground and are looking for something off-topic to discuss.
| P- wrote: | | If you want to have a proper discussion, then why not actually try to rebut my argument rather than call me names? |
By the time you read this you will have read that you weren't called a name. If you feel that you can't continue under these conditions then as I suggested...please move on. (to a different discussion not web site)
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| joman wrote: | | It proves that natural selection is not the only means of accessing the genome. |
I'm still not sure what you're implying here. Natural selection doesn't access the genome, it simply determines which genes survive.
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| joman wrote: |
P- if you care try, "big bang +problems +contradictions". You'll discover real scientists that are aware that the myths don't float even though they wish it were so.
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Oh yeah? Why don't you name a few of them?
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| joman wrote: |
Of course I know what does and doesn't constitute science.
I even know about your false science of evolution.
For example, if this discussion about "what is science" goes on further you'll end up claiming that the new (false) definition of "scientific fact" is better than the old (true) one.
| P- wrote: | | You think that evolution is not science, . |
I know that evolution isn't science.
| P- wrote: | | and you think that the arguments against evolution are scientific |
The scientific facts are against evolution.
The logic is against evolution.
The chances are against evolution.
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Joman, what are your qualifications? What makes you think that you have the authority and know-how to judge what is and what is not scientific? How many Ph.Ds do you have, and in which scientific areas?
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However, there exists no free market of scientific opinion. Go check out the harrassed scientists that know that the theories of relativity are false.
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Relativity is true. Einstein's theories have been experimentally verified thousands of times. Anyone who disagrees with his ideas simply doesn't understand what they're talking about.
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All the scientists (who agree with me) know more about their subjects than do I. This is of course only about "evolution, the big bang, relativity" excetra theorists.
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There isn't a single respected scientist on the planet who agrees with you about evolution being false, and there DEFINITELY isn't a single respected scientist on the planet who agrees with you that Relativity is false. You can't name a single one, and even worse, you can't give a single SCIENTIFIC argument to support your outrageous ideas. Find me one peer-reviewed paper from a reputable biology journal which questions evolution... Just one. Find me just one peer-reviewed paper questioning Einstein. Good luck.
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If you state as fact any thing contrary to the express statements of the AV Bible you will be found wrong.
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Nowhere in the Bible does it say anything against evolution or relativity.
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The Bible states there will be never be any global warming threat as being politically propogandized by a large consortium of scientists.
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Can you justify this statement? Chapter and verse, please.
| joman wrote: |
And, you should take a course in English comprehension.... When you claim your right because the majority says so, then you are have lost the debate.
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Two comments:
1. Don't worry about my English abilities; worry about your own. I'll refer you to Luke 6:41.
2. I am not committing a logical fallacy. It is not a fallacy to appeal to what experts say, ESPECIALLY when there is consensus in the area like there is with evolution and relativity.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | There isn't a single respected scientist on the planet who agrees with you about evolution being false, and there DEFINITELY isn't a single respected scientist on the planet who agrees with you that Relativity is false. You can't name a single one, and even worse, you can't give a single SCIENTIFIC argument to support your outrageous ideas. |
As I pointed out in another thread, you're making a mistake in terminology. I'm sure there are plenty of chemists that are creationists, for example. The issue is one of relevance.
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Theology is philosophy/ethics for people who already know what conclusion they want to come to. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: | | There isn't a single respected scientist on the planet who agrees with you about evolution being false, and there DEFINITELY isn't a single respected scientist on the planet who agrees with you that Relativity is false. You can't name a single one, and even worse, you can't give a single SCIENTIFIC argument to support your outrageous ideas. |
As I pointed out in another thread, you're making a mistake in terminology. I'm sure there are plenty of chemists that are creationists, for example. The issue is one of relevance. |
There may be some anti-evolutionists out there who happen to be biologists, physicists, or chemists, but they are anti-evolutionists DESPITE the fact that they are scientists, not because of it.
There are no scientific arguments against evolution. I'd just love for Joman to give us one rather than just giving the standard smokescreen.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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Frank1
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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P123  I like your new signature. Joman is infamous |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Frank1 wrote: | | P123 I like your new signature. Joman is infamous |
Thanks! I thought it really fit in nicely with my other quotes.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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sofyst
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| Um...has anyone figured out why I have nipples yet? |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| sofyst wrote: | | Um...has anyone figured out why I have nipples yet? |
I can tell you with 100% certainty that it is NOT because God designed you so that you could be injected with hormones in times of need so that you could feed babies.
It has to do with human development. Males and females are virtually identical, and develop almost identically. At the beginning of fetal development, males and females both start out as a sort of 'template'. As the fetus develops, different hormones kick in at different stages and tell different parts of the body how to develop, thereby differentiating the sexes.
Breasts are just an extreme example of this. Male and female breasts are pretty much identical until puberty, at which point the female body starts producing estrogen, which makes the breasts grow. The male body does not produce these hormones, but if it did, then their breasts would develop identically to female breasts. Some guys have hormonal imbalances, and this sometimes happens.
It's an efficient design. Just think about it; imagine how happy McDonald's would be if they could invent a single chemical that, depending on how you treat it, differentiates into different types of bad food. You start out with some kind of grey goo. If you treat it with UV radiation, it becomes a Chicken McNugget. Treat it with steam and you get a Big Mac. Highly efficient.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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sofyst
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:07 am Post subject: |
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So are men the Big Macs or the Chicken Nuggets?
And I'm insulted that you just called me a woman without boobs. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| sofyst wrote: | | So are men the Big Macs or the Chicken Nuggets? |
I don't think I'd want to be either...
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And I'm insulted that you just called me a woman without boobs. |
Men and women are virtually identical. The only difference is one lousy chromosome. So really, women can be seen as men with boobs, and minus some other stuff.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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