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theseldomscene
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| HeKkLeR wrote: | | theseldomscene wrote: | | would not one need to first be able to control their thoughts, in order to be able to think before they speak to the point of having control over their tongue? |
Very good! 
I do believe brother, that that is the beauty of prayer, and the power of the Lord through men.  |
yes and amen...taking every thought captive....making it obedient...and...
and the spirits(notice)of the prophets are subject to [the control of] the prophets... |
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atoz
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: is it ok for a CHRISTian to cuss?... |
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Great subject!
God loves all blessing and all cursing, all blessers and all cursers,
loves all He blesses and all he curses, Matthew 5;43-48, Malachi 1;1-3,
and so blesses in Love,
and curses in Love, Leviticus 26 and Deut 28,
and therefore both his blessings and his curses come from the same Heart/Mind-Spring of Love and from the same mouth.
Love of all sounds is how we have a sound mind, and means that no sound nor word can be a sin of itself.
2 tim 1;7.
God only says that he hates esau because it sounds as if or looks as if someone is hated when cursed, and so God called himself as it looked: romans 4;17.
But God actually cursed esau in Love for Esau to turn it into a blessing by loving it!
Love turns curses in to blessings and blessings into double blessings.
Therefore the sin is to hate curses or to hate the ones who curse or to hate the ones who are cursed,
and then love the ones you bless and curse the ones u curse, so that both the Blessing of Love for blessings and the Curse of Hate for curses come from the same heart and the same mouth.
James 3.
Hatred turns blessings into curses, and turns curses in to double curses.
The real curse is therefore the Curse of hatred for any word, which hatred makes that word into a Hate word.
Note that when someone says 'eff u,' there is no need for him to then say: i hate you, since that hate is included or auto attached to the f-word.
The f word actually comes from the acronym:
Felonious Unlawful Carnal Knowledge that english policemen used when writing a charge for sexual assault. Since they hated sexual offenders, they then used the acronym in Hate and so it became a hate-word, a curse word used in Hate.
Therefore, our goal is to eliminate the use of the hate-wrod for any word so that all words, including curse words, will be love-words
When we love all words and so have a pure heart of Love, all words are pure. titus 1:15.
When we love all words and sounds, we are able to take in Love all words spoken in hate to us, and so not be offended, psalms 119:165, while t the same time not using those curse words in Love that others may take in hate and get offended at. 1 cor 8 and 10.
in Love of all letters and so all words,
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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good post...though there is a difference in curse words and cuss words...
and...
GOD said HE hated esua so...imo...HE should know....HE hated esua...i will let HIM decide HIS own why's.... |
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atoz
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | good post...though there is a difference in curse words and cuss words...
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GOD said HE hated esua so...imo...HE should know....HE hated esua...i will let HIM decide HIS own why's.... |
Thanx, TSS!
Question: What *is* the difference between curse words and cuss words?
Comment on God saying he hates esau:
God is Love and God is Why:
so Why is Love and Love is always Why He does all that He does and why he does and must do all that he does in Love: 1 Corin 16:14.
Therefore, just as JC meant 'love less by comparison in Love' when he said what he said in Luke 14:26 and cd NOT mean for us to literally hate anybody, so too God can not hate Esau or any body or else he wd be hating himself: the first sin by His Own law of Love.
'He who knows the why can bear any how.'
Nietzsche
Question: Do you think God hates satan or loves Satan based on matthew 5:43-48?
in Love and R for God as Hater of only the sin of hating any word and as Lover of all words,
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Therefore, just as JC meant 'love less by comparison in Love' when he said what he said in Luke 14:26 and cd NOT mean for us to literally hate anybody |
i think context tells us the plain truth about esua...he was hated...if you wish to guess about GOD's thought and feelings and are ready to say HE lied or was not speaking what HE meant because you know better...fine...but the bible says you are wrong...
| Quote: | | so too God can not hate Esau or any body or else he wd be hating himself |
sorry charlie...your case does not support your point here...GOD hated esua and did so because HE said so...all you offer is some twisted scriptures to say GOD lied or was just speaking something HE did not mean
then go on with nothg but imagination to say somehting other than what GOD said and your are rejected by me as a heretic at that point...pride of man thinking he can speak for GOD to change GOD's own words...
| Quote: | | Do you think God hates satan or loves Satan based on matthew 5:43-48? |
based on matt 5:43-48 your are misusing the section of scripture to say saomehting the bible does not hint to in the passage...here it is and shows from context who JESUS is speaking to and about there...with no hint of it speaking of GOD and satan...but GOD and man...
.here is matt 5...
matt5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; (so does GOD pray for satan?...to who?...)
45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. (so satan needs the sun and the rain?...far out)
46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
that is talking of GOD and man; and man and man
not GOD and satan sir...but human enemies of GOD...please use verses in contxt to support your points...there are many to support love without making up things not there...GOD hated esua but it still rained on esau's fields and sun shone on him...so??...
now to answer your question...does GOD hate...yes HE does...and despises....
i appreciate how you are trying to use human wisdom to change scripture you cannot accept...but i cannot accept your changes...
as the scriptures say...'ye that love the LORD hate evil'... |
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rjustice7
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: My opinion is... |
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| Cuss words themselves are not evil. They all have some kind of meaning that makes sense, however in today's society, they are seen as inappropriate. Let's just say hypothetically, that you're a sinner, and I am a normal guy that goes to church but cusses on a regular basis. If I walked up to you and started telling you about Jesus, or I invited you to a church event, how would you feel? The Bible says in 1 Timothy 6:20, "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:" We know just from the Bible that it isn't good to use this kind of language. Most people know that cussing would at least be looked down upon by Christians. But then there is this scipture that says, "Abstain from all appearance of evil." 1 Thessalonians 5:22 If it even appears unchristian, or evil to another, we are not to be partakers of it. |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| also...all idle words...good or bad...will be called into account... |
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atoz
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: |
as the scriptures say...'ye that love the LORD hate evil'... |
Ok Tss.
Thanx.
God obeys his own Golden Rule which is based on Love:mathew 7:12; 22:36-40.
So when God tells US to love OUR enemies, guess what?
HE also loves HIS own enemies and loves ours!
And guess what?
1 Peter 5:
8Be sober, be vigilant; because *your* adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
Not to mention Ephesians 6:12-14.
So satan is YOUR enemy, OUR enemy, GOD's enemy, right? smile
So do you obey God and love satan and so resist satan in Love?
And does God do what he tells us to do: love satan?
Do you love God unconditionally as a truthteller and as a liar?
To do so, u first have to love you as both.
Do you love me as a heretic?
To do so, you have to lvoe you as one.
To hate heretics is heretical in the first degree and place.
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
1 Corin 2:
9But as it is written,
Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit of Love:
for the Spirit of Love searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him?
but we have the mind of Christ.
John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
God wrote the Bible in Love.
Therefore Love is the context for all IN the Bible no matter what text you are at.
1 Corinthians 16:14 Let all your things be done with Love.
You that love the Lord hate the evil of the sin of Hate for the evil that God loves.
Letting the mind of Love be in me which is in God and JC so that I think like them and know how they say that all they think and say and do is in Love as they tell me to do all in Love,
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atoz
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | also...all idle words...good or bad...will be called into account... |
If I hate the word 'idle,'
I am making an idol of the word 'idle'
since I am allowing that word 'idle' to stop me from obeying God who tells me to love it,
and since that is what an idol is: anything or anyone that stops us from obeying God who says to love it.
With ever-idling Love for me as busy or idle so I can love the busy and the idle as myself,
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| idle...idol...eyedoll... |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| atoz wrote: | | theseldomscene wrote: |
as the scriptures say...'ye that love the LORD hate evil'...
Ok Tss.
Thanx |
God obeys his own Golden Rule which is based on Love:mathew 7:12; 22:36-40. |
well HE certinly said HE hated esau and you have shown nothing so far to disprove that other than verse that don't disprove it and are unrelated to it...
| Quote: | So when God tells US to love OUR enemies, guess what?
HE also loves HIS own enemies and loves ours! |
please show where GOD loves satan...ytou can't cause it ain't hinted at...guess what...there is nothing to support your assertion...
| Quote: | And guess what?
1 Peter 5:
8Be sober, be vigilant; because *your* adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
Not to mention Ephesians 6:12-14.
So satan is YOUR enemy, OUR enemy, GOD's enemy, right? smile |
once again you are taking verse talking about men and applying them to speak of things they are not hinted to be intended for...
| Quote: | | So do you obey God and love satan and so resist satan in Love? |
GOD does not say to love satan...
| Quote: | | And does God do what he tells us to do: love satan? |
HE never said to love satan...
| Quote: | | Do you love God unconditionally as a truthteller and as a liar? |
GOD does not lie sir...
| Quote: | | To do so, u first have to love you as both. |
actually to love GOD we must first be loved by GOD...please get it right teacher...
| Quote: | | Do you love me as a heretic? |
why are you a heretic?...
| Quote: | | To do so, you have to lvoe you as one. |
sure...
| Quote: | | To hate heretics is heretical in the first degree and place. |
yes and all this still does not show anywhere where GOD says to love satan...please...
| Quote: | Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
1 Corin 2:
9But as it is written,
Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit of Love:
for the Spirit of Love searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him?
but we have the mind of Christ.
John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. |
thanks for the verses...they don't prove your point sir...
| Quote: | | God wrote the Bible in Love. |
for the elect...
| Quote: | | Therefore Love is the context for all IN the Bible no matter what text you are at. |
for the elect...
| Quote: | | 1 Corinthians 16:14 Let all your things be done with Love. |
yes...have you read that chapter and the ones it is between...talking about when the church comes together...and when we bless other men with love...
| Quote: | | You that love the Lord hate the evil of the sin of Hate for the evil that God loves. |
your close to getting the plagues....
| Quote: | | Letting the mind of Love be in me which is in God and JC so that I think like them and know how they say that all they think and say and do is in Love as they tell me to do all in Love, |
your loves are mixed up and i am sorry if that hurts you...not trying to be mean...but you have seriously mixed up some things in the bible and have made some gross errors in context...imo...i will leave this conversation at that...see you in the debate forum sir... |
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atoz
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Atoz: And guess what?
| 1 Peter 5:8-9 wrote: | 8Be sober, be vigilant; because *your* adversary the devil, ...:
9Whom resist stedfast in the faith, .... |
Since faith works by Love, Gal 5:6,
to resist Satan in the faith is to resist him in Love,
and to resist him in Love, we first have to love him.
Like speaking the truth in Love: Eph 4:16:
To speak the truth in Love to you, I have to first love you.
| Quote: | | tss:ctually to love GOD we must first be loved by GOD...please get it right teacher... |
atoz: that's exactly right! let me get it wholly right!smile
Because God obeys the Golden Rule and follows his own Law also when it comes to us:
God loves us as Himself to teach us that HOW to love ourselves is as He loves us: as Himself,
so that we can love ourselves as him
so we can love him back as ourselves. 1 john 4:19.
See?
That is also why God loves himself as AN ADVERSARY : Exodus 23:22,
TO TEACH US TO LOVE ourselves as an adversary so we can love all adversaries, including God as our adversary and our 'adversary the devil,' as ourselves!
I have to love me as my own worse adversary in order to love God as my adversary.
Does that make sense?
I have to first love me as you in order to love you as me!
| Tss wrote: | | atoz wrote: | | Do you love me as a heretic? |
why are you a heretic?... |
Because u honestly say that I am a heretic ...to you!
In Love of me as my own best friend and as my own worse enemy so I can love all my friends as myself and all my enemies as myself as God says,
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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actually no that is not right at all...i can show with the same tyoe of song and dance that GOD hates many things and show one is a lying tongue...and since that is the case....you might say HE loves a lying tongue...which would be lie and mean He would hate your tongue for saying it...so can HE hate just the tongue?...
since HE hates a lying tongue...and JESUS said the devil is the father of all lies...then he, the devil, is the tongue GOD hates...
see?...
you have not produced anything that says GOD loves satan or we are supposed to...that can't be just as easily...and maybe even more properly...refuted...opposites...
also...
idle...idol...eyedoll...ayedull.... |
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atoz
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| Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Happy July 4th in physical freedom!
Now here is another opportunity for you to have real spiritual freedom from God and JC thru Love for your enemy satan:
"Now the Lord is that Spirit of Love:
and where the Spirit of Love is, there is liberty. "
2 cor 3:17.
Jude
8Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, *despise dominion,*
and
speak evil of dignities.
TSS, do you despise and hate Satan, a being with the dominion and dignity of Prince, as per JC in John 12:31 by God or by Paul,
and
do you speak evil in Hate of such a dignitary as one that God brings into his presence and dis-cusses and dis-courses with, as in Job 1:6?
Job 1:6-7
6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD,
and Satan came also among them.
7And the LORD said unto Satan,
Whence comest thou?
Then Satan answered the LORD, and said,
From going to and fro in the earth,
and from walking up and down in it.
John 12:
31Now is the judgment of this world:
now shall [satan] the prince of this world be cast out.
12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
but against principalities,
against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Or,
are you going to follow and imitate Michael who follows and imitates God and JC who love and do not hate nor despise satan?
9Yet Michael the archangel,
when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said,
The Lord rebuke thee.
Give up yet?smile
Don't give up until you prove it to yourself without a shadow of a doubt that you must love satan the devil who is your enemy as per 1 Peter 5:8-9 and Matthew 5:43-48.
Prove all things: 1 Thess 5:21.
By your response, I'll know whether you have proved it for yourself or not.
If not, more to come!
In the meantime, other readers are getting the benefit of why and how Love for satan 'our enemy' casts out fear of him! 1 john 4:18
And why when we love satan and fight him with Love and resist him in Love, we must win and he must flee.
Now how about:
ai-dole...aye dowl...aye-dle...ai-dle....eidel...ei-dole...ei-dle!smile
in the Godly Love that sees that your best friend can be your worse enemy and your worse enemy your best friend,
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: |
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[quote="atoz"] | Quote: | | Happy July 4th in physical freedom! |
i disagree...
| Quote: | Now here is another opportunity for you to have real spiritual freedom from God and JC thru Love for your enemy satan:
"Now the Lord is that Spirit of Love:
and where the Spirit of Love is, there is liberty. "
2 cor 3:17. |
that verse says nothng about loving satan..
| Quote: | Jude
8Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, *despise dominion,*
and
speak evil of dignities.
TSS, do you despise and hate Satan, a being with the dominion and dignity of Prince, as per JC in John 12:31 by God or by Paul, |
please try to stay on topic...i know honest disccussion is difficult for many here...and it ses you are no exception...why do you hate the truth atoz?...
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do you speak evil in Hate of such a dignitary as one that God brings into his presence and dis-cusses and dis-courses with, as in Job 1:6? |
no...just calling what GOD calls them...you see when someone speaks eveil...like jude refered to above...theysay things they don't know...that is what is meant by speaking evil about them...as the context says...so try reading what it actuallysays and stop running into confussion like it is cute...(for GOD is not the author of such leaving your post tobe inspired by satan himself trying to get you to love him)...now...it is not speaking evil of the devil to say what we know about him...one of them being...GOD hates him...so all you ave done is show that context and actual written words mean nothing to you when youy read..
as GOD hates a sower of discord also..no ...it does not say hHE hates the discord...though HE well may...but that HE hates the sower(the one causing) thediscord among the brethern...and it is satan...the devil...who sows evil seed in the wheat and tares parable...agfain...proving with scripture in context rightly dividd...GOD hates satan and you are wrong... ..all seven things GOD hates...all are satan...and show to be reresentive of him in the bible...sorry if you've not actually studied it...
| Quote: | job 1:6-7
6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD,
and Satan came also among them.
7And the LORD said unto Satan,
Whence comest thou?
Then Satan answered the LORD, and said,
From going to and fro in the earth,
and from walking up and down in it. |
notice how satan was not called a son...but came among them..noted as seperate...
J | Quote: | ohn 12:
31Now is the judgment of this world:
now shall [satan] the prince of this world be cast out.
12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
but against principalities,
against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
against spiritual wickedness in high places. |
yes...but it helps your case none...
| Quote: | Or,
are you going to follow and imitate Michael who follows and imitates God and JC who love and do not hate nor despise satan? |
actaully JESUS told me to follow HIM...and again...your whole point is built errorniously on scripture that does not support anything you say...
| Quote: | 9Yet Michael the archangel,
when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said,
The Lord rebuke thee.
Give up yet?smile |
why6 would i ...you have not shown anything but verse that say clearly they are used differently then you are trying to make them...please stop the perversion..
| Quote: | Don't give up until you prove it to yourself without a shadow of a doubt that you must love satan the devil who is your enemy as per 1 Peter 5:8-9 and Matthew 5:43-48.
Prove all things: 1 Thess 5:21. |
thanks...i know that what you say is a lie...because i have actually read the bible...please try it...
| Quote: | | By your response, I'll know whether you have proved it for yourself or not. |
i could give a crap less if you think you know somehting or not about me...for the bible says he that thinks he knows knows nothing as he ought to know...thnk on that...
| Quote: | | If not, more to come! |
i am willing to wade through all the nonsense and out of context scripture you offer sir...for i have nothing else to do at the moment....and so far...
you case is really faltering...
| Quote: | | In the meantime, other readers are getting the benefit of why and how Love for satan 'our enemy' casts out fear of him! 1 john 4:18 |
if they can read they can see you havenot givien anyhting to prove that lie sir...and it is a lie...
| Quote: | | And why when we love satan and fight him with Love and resist him in Love, we must win and he must flee. |
never even hints to loving satran but teaches us the oppoisite...sir...
| Quote: | Now how about:
ai-dole...aye dowl...aye-dle...ai-dle....eidel...ei-dole...ei-dle!smile |
this is representive of your doctrine...
eidle is not a word...like your teaching here is not scriptural....
| Quote: | | in the Godly Love that sees that your best friend can be your worse enemy and your worse enemy your best friend, |
the bible says cursed is the man who trust in man...
i have no friends outside of immediate family i can really say are close enough to betray me at this time...that i would feel anyway... ...
now about my last post...
GOD hates a lying tongue...and the devil is the father of lies...GOD hates him...
GOD hates a sower of discord...the devil is the sower of bad seed...GOD hates him...
be like your FATHER in heaven |
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