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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
I asked a question, whether you love satan - and you said YES.
| Quote: | atoz: Wow!
What a question!
Yes! |
You love satan that is good for you
but I hate satan and follow what Jesus said, that we cannot serve two masters.
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atoz: Yes, Jesus said we can not follow 2 masters when we love one and HATE the other, or love the other and HATE the one!
But He said that we ARE TO and we surely CAN serve 2 masters when we LOVE both: LOVE the one and LOVE the other, or love the other and love the one, AS HE JUST SAID IN MATTHEW 5:43-48!!!
When we love GOD
and at the same time
we love CAESAR,
we serve TWO MASTERS WITH one LOVE:
Specific Example:
Matthew 22: 21They say unto him, Caesar's.
Then saith he unto them,
Render [THAT'S FRENCH FOR THE ENGLISH SERVE] therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
General Example:
When we love all or any TWO opposites,
we serve TWO masters like:
Matthew 5:44-46
44But I say unto you, Love your enemies [ AND YOUR FRIENDS],
bless them that curse you [AND THEM THAT BLESS YOU],
do good to them that hate you [AND TO THEM THAT LOVE YOU],
and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you [AND FOR THEM WHO USE YOU WELL];
45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:
for he maketh his sun to rise on
the evil and on the good]/b],
and sendeth rain on
[b]the just and on the unjust.
46For if ye love them which love you [AND NOT ALSO THEM WHO HATE YOU], what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47And if ye salute your brethren only [AND NOT ALSO THEM WHO ARE STRANGERS], what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Look up Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 for more TWO MASTERS! |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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double post.  Please delete. thanx, atoz
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
And when satan came to test Jesus, satan quoted verses from the Bible, and Jesus gave him an excellent reply. So as a follower of Jesus, I will use the same reply for you too.
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atoz: Good! Thank you!
| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
Away from me, Satan! For it is written:'Worship the LORD your God and serve Him only. (Mathew 4:10)
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atoz: That's fine.
God does say to get away of withdraw from your neighbors's house. Proverbs 25:17 Withdraw thy foot from thy neighbour's house; lest he be weary of thee, and so hate thee.
So is cool.
Bye. I am leaving IN LOVE of you.
I am getting away IN LOVE from you.
So even as I am leaving, I am still putting LOVE first as what God says to put first, and so I am still worshipping him by putting first what LOVE he says to put first!
But HOW did you say 'Get Away' to me or rebuke me?
IN LOVE like JC said it to Satan,
in Love like Michael rebuked satan, Jude 8-9,
or IN HATE as Satan got away from JC?
How are you leaving: In Love or in Hate of me?
If you said it in Hate: you said you hate satan,
then you are resisting satan with Hate rather than with LOVE or with faith that works by Love, Gal 5:6,
and you are putting satan first, worshipping satan, and defintely NOT putting God first NOR worshipping God.
If you did say it in Hate,
that Hate is your only problem: you are not wrong for rebuking me nor saying 'Get away from me.': so all you have to do, when you prove that you shd resist satan with Love, is repent of your sin of Hate for who God loves satan, and of making an Idol out of Satan by making him stop you and separate you from the Love of God....and you are ok.
Romans 8:35-39.
with all Love and Respect,
atoz
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
You can keep your satanic theory to yourself. I do not believe what you say and I have no time to read your boring long replies full of blasphemy.
Bye! Bye!
God bless and mercy on your soul
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atoz: With Love, I thank you for your blessing.
In Godly Love Always,
atoz
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BMZ
Tadpole
Joined: 20 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: Was Mohammed Evil? |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | Apparently there is a very good argument to be made that Mohammed was a pedophile. It is said that he married his last bride Aisha when she was six years old and that he consummated the marriage when she was nine. He would have been in his fifties at the time if this is true.
There are all sorts of arguments for and against Mohammed being a pedophile, but probably the most compelling is from Aisha's own pen. She wrote one of the Hadith books and she herself writes that he had sex with her when she was nine.
Anyways, you can make up your own mind; there's a big Wikipedia article on it right here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha%27s_age_at_marriage
It would kinda put a damper on the whole religion if it's true, wouldn't it? |
I wrote this on that notorious goon Ali Sina's site and hope this helps:
What most people do not understand is that paedophilia is a sickness and it cannot be cured. That is why most of the paedophiles are kept locked up in jails or under care, treatment and supervision.
A paedophile lusts forever after little kids, both male and female. According to study of paedophiles in countries where it is rampant, the research has showed that the paedophile is usually 10 years older than the victim and goes on in search of his victims.
He is not satisfied with just one. He must go on and on finding and enjoying his victim. This is proven by the fact that paedophiles disguised as tourists go on sex tours into Thailand, Cambodia, Laos and the Philippines, where poor people are exploited by these paedophiles.
There is no such paedophile who performed paedophilia on one child, stopped and reformed or became a re-born God-fearing man or a reformed atheist.  The paedophile does not stop at all. The paedophile and his paedophilia goes on and on till his last days. The ancient Greek army encouraged this between soldiers and young boys to create a bond so that the army could stay together and fight better. I am sure the Romans also must have had this tactic too.
To put it simply, a paedophile can never give this habit. He starts it young and cannot be cured. This is the conclusion of all European and American scientists, researchers and psychiatrists.
It is obvious now that Muhammad was not a paedophile. Had he been one, he would not have been cured and he would have started being a paedophile from say when he was 16 till the age he died. A paedophile cannot stop at one child. He needs more.
Muhammad was a man who married his first wife when he was 25 and she was 40 and stayed with her faithfully till he was 51 when she died and did not marry for another three years.
Mature men do not turn into paedophiles. A paedophile is by birth like the gay and lesbian as the Scientists and experts have proved.
There is no list of children "victimised or paedophiled" by Muhammad. There is no record even from the History of pre-Islam Arabs that they gave 6-9 year old girls to older men in marriage.
All they have is one name of Ayesha to quote and I am not discussing Ayesha's age here.
If Muhammad were a paedophile, people would have killed him under the "Honour Killing" and nobody would have followed him and Islam would have died in it's infancy.  |
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Trinity1
Emperor of the World
Joined: 02 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Was Mohammed Evil? |
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| BMZ wrote: | There is no list of children "victimised or paedophiled" by Muhammad. There is no record even from the History of pre-Islam Arabs that they gave 6-9 year old girls to older men in marriage.
All they have is one name of Ayesha to quote and I am not discussing Ayesha's age here. |
So what is your point? Ayesha and Sunna are wrong? THe Koran is wrong? She wasn't 7 when married, consumated a marriage with Mohamaed when he was 50 something?
What?
| Quote: | | If Muhammad were a paedophile, people would have killed him under the "Honour Killing" and nobody would have followed him and Islam would have died in it's infancy. [/i] |
The world could care less if he was or was not what you consider a paedophile... the question is if this man set an example for all to follow here... is that your position? |
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BMZ
Tadpole
Joined: 20 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: Re: Was Mohammed Evil? |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | BMZ wrote: | There is no list of children "victimised or paedophiled" by Muhammad. There is no record even from the History of pre-Islam Arabs that they gave 6-9 year old girls to older men in marriage.
All they have is one name of Ayesha to quote and I am not discussing Ayesha's age here. |
So what is your point? Ayesha and Sunna are wrong? THe Koran is wrong? She wasn't 7 when married, consumated a marriage with Mohamaed when he was 50 something?
What?
| Quote: | | If Muhammad were a paedophile, people would have killed him under the "Honour Killing" and nobody would have followed him and Islam would have died in it's infancy. [/i] |
The world could care less if he was or was not what you consider a paedophile... the question is if this man set an example for all to follow here... is that your position? |
My point is that Muhammad was not a paedophile, as others accuse him of. You did not understand what I wrote?
Qur'aan does not talk about his marriage to Ayesha and her age. There is only one rotten hadith from Hisham and that is wrong.
Getting betrothed in a culture is a different matter. Marrying little girls of 6-9 is not Sunnah and was not the custom among Arabs. Had he done that, it would have become a Sunnah and all Muslim males would have been asked to do it and would have done it gladly. ROTFLMAO!
Ayesha was definitely above 15 when prophet married her. She was present in the Battle at Badr, where all below 14 were sent back home, as under 14 were not allowed to take part in battle. She was there attending to sick and providing water to the thirsty. And prophet married her after the battle at Badr.
The prophet thus had set no such example for us to follow. |
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Trinity1
Emperor of the World
Joined: 02 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Was Mohammed Evil? |
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| BMZ wrote: | | My point is that Muhammad was not a paedophile, as others accuse him of. You did not understand what I wrote? |
I understood what you wrote... what I didn't understand is that you don't believe your own Holy writings... I do appreciate you clarifying this for us.
| Quote: | | Qur'aan does not talk about his marriage to Ayesha and her age. There is only one rotten hadith from Hisham and that is wrong. |
I see... and what other Hadith would be wrong? This LIST of Islamic scholars don't seem to share your opinion though.  HERE is another article discussing this disgusting practice of your prophet.
| Quote: | | Getting betrothed in a culture is a different matter. Marrying little girls of 6-9 is not Sunnah and was not the custom among Arabs. Had he done that, it would have become a Sunnah and all Muslim males would have been asked to do it and would have done it gladly. ROTFLMAO! |
Laugh all you want... it seems that there are thousands, if not millions of little girls from Afghanistan to Iran... that aren't finding it so funny. Like found HERE and HERE, or HERE. I believe none of these little girls would share your twisted sense of humor on this subject. So… laugh all day Sir… I personally think it is sick…
| Quote: | | Ayesha was definitely above 15 when prophet married her. She was present in the Battle at Badr, where all below 14 were sent back home, as under 14 were not allowed to take part in battle. She was there attending to sick and providing water to the thirsty. And prophet married her after the battle at Badr. |
I see.... and the prophet always obeys all of the rules he made too when it came to his own family.  If that is the case why is he marrying his own step daughter? Or... why does he get 10.. 11... 12 wives when everyone else has to live with a messily 4? This assertion demonstrates dink when weighed against the whole body of evidence in Mohamed’s life.
| Quote: | | The prophet thus had set no such example for us to follow. |
Thats nice.. tell that to those 4 and 6 year old girls I cited earlier. Or... perhaps to the all of the 2nd grade girls in Afghanistan... or... maybe you could perhaps address Iranian law HERE. Could you please tell all of us what example they are following if they are not following the example of Mohamed? |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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Double post... sorry.
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Trinity1
Emperor of the World
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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HERE is a 4 minute clip from You-Tube that discusses this. The stat that kinda sorta jumps out at you is the one where 2/3rds of ALL 2nd grade girls were married off. That is about... oh... I don't know... um... 7 or 8 years old?
That is absolutely hilarious... ain't it BMZ? I am ROTFLMAO at that one... I mean... to think that people would believe a... what did you say it was... a rotten hadith (whatever that is) and use it as a means to have sex with girls under the age of 10... is indeed funny.... funny to those who embrace this religion... a religion of peace... for men... to get a piece of pre-pubescent girls. real funny… |
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composer2005
Fierce Wolf
Joined: 14 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: Yes! Mahomet is proven to be consistently evil and ungodly! |
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MAHOMET'S FLIGHT FROM MECCA TO MEDINA
(p. 673) - The first and most arduous conquests of Mahomet were those of his wife, his servant, his pupil, and his friend; since he presented himself as a prophet to those who were most conversant with his infirmities as a man.
(p.674) - . . . "Friends and kinsmen," said Mahomet to the assembly, "I offer you, and I alone can offer, the most precious of gifts, the treasures of this world and of the world to come. God has commanded me to call you to his service. Whom among you will support my burden? Who among you will be my companion and my vizar?"
No answer was returned, till the silence of astonishment, and doubt, and contempt was at length broken by the impatient courage of Ali, a youth in the fourteenth year of his age. "Oh prophet, I am the man: whosoever rises against thee, I will dash out his teeth, tear out his eyes, break his legs, rip up his belly. Oh prophet, I will be thy vizar over them." Mahomet accepted his offer with transport, and Abu Taleb was ironically exhorted to respect the superior dignity of his son. (Extract from Gibbon's - "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" D M LOW - A one-volume abridgement, pp. 673-674) -
MAHOMET DECLARES WAR AGAINST THE INFIDEL
From all sides the roving Arabs were allured to the standard of religion and plunder: the apostle sanctified the licence of embracing the female captives as their wives or concubines; and the enjoyment of wealth and beauty was a feeble type of the joys of paradise prepared for the valiant martyrs of the faith. "The sword," says Mahomet, "is the key of heaven and of hell: a drop of blood shed in the cause of God, a night spent in arms, is of more avail than two months of fasting or prayer: whosoever falls in battle, his sins are forgiven: at the day of judgment his wounds shall be resplendent as vermilion, and odoriferous as musk; and the loss of his limbs shall be supplied by the wings of angels and cherubim." (Extract from Gibbon's - "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" D M LOW - A one-volume abridgement, p. 679) -
THE CHARACTER AND PRIVATE LIFE OF MAHOMET
. . . The use of fraud and perfidy, of cruelty and injustice, were often subservient to the propagation of the faith; and Mahomet commanded or approved the assassination of the Jews and idolaters who had escaped from the field of battle. By the repetition of such acts the character of Mahomet must have been gradually stained; and the influence of such pernicious habits would be poorly compensated by the practice of the personal and social virtues which are necessary to maintain the reputation of a prophet among his secretaries and friends. Of his last years ambition was the ruling passion; and a politician will suspect that he secretly smiled (the victorious imposter!) at the enthusiasm of his youth, and the credulity of his proselytes.1 A philosopher will observe that their credulity and his success would tend more strongly to fortify the assurance of his divine mission, that his interest and religion were inseparably connected, and that his conscience would be soothed by the persuasion that he alone was absolved by the Deity from the obligation of positive and moral laws. (Extract from Gibbon's - "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" D M LOW - A one-volume abridgement, p. 690) -
Mahomet breaks his own Laws -
Perfumes and women were the two sensual enjoyments which his nature required, and his religion did not forbid; and Mahomet affirmed that the fervour of his devotion was increased by these innocent pleasures. The heat of the climate enflames the blood of the Arabs, and their libidinous complexion has been noticed by the writers of antiquity.
Their incontinence was regulated by the civil and religious laws of the Koran: their incestuous alliances were blamed: the boundless licence of polygamy was reduced to four legitimate wives or concubines; their rights of both bed and of dowry were equitably determined; the freedom of divorce was discouraged; adultery was condemned as a capital offence; and fornication, in either sex, was punished with an hundred stripes. Such were the calm and rational precepts of this legislator; but in his private conduct Mahomet indulged the appetites of a man, and abused the claims of a prophet. A special revelation dispensed him from the laws which he had imposed on his nation; the female sex, without reserve, was abandoned to his desires; and this singular prerogative excited the envy rather than the scandal, the veneration rather than the envy, of the devout Musulmans. (Extract from Gibbon's - "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" D M LOW - A one-volume abridgement, p. 691) -
INFLUENCE OF MAHOMET
Mahomet was instructed to preach and to fight; and the union of these opposite qualities, while it enhanced his merit, contributed to his success: the operation of force and persuasion, of enthusiasm and fear, continually acted on each other, till every barrier yielded to their irresistible power. His voice invited the Arabs to freedom and victory, to arms and rapine, to the indulgence of their darling passions in this world and the other: the restraints which he imposed were requisite to establish the credit of the prophet, and to exercise the obedience of the people; and the only objection to his success was his rational creed of the unity and perfections of God. (Extract from Gibbon's - "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" D M LOW - A one-volume abridgement, p. 693)
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vizier n. hist. high official in some Muslim countries. [ultimately from Arabic] (Pocket Oxford Dictionary)
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perfidy n. breach of faith; treachery. perfidious adj. [Latin perfidia from fides faith] (Pocket Oxford Dictionary)- - - -
pernicious adj. very harmful or destructive; deadly. [Latin pernicies ruin] (Pocket Oxford Dictionary)
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1 - In some passages of his voluminous writings, Voltaire compares the prophet, in his old age, to a fakir "qui détache la chaîne de son cou pour en donner sur les oreilles à ses confrères."
fakir n. Muslim or (rarely) Hindu religious beggar or ascetic. [Arabic, = poor man] (Pocket Oxford Dictionary)
ascetic —adj. severely abstinent; self-denying. —n. ascetic, esp. religious, person. asceticism n. [Greek askeo exercise] (Pocket Oxford Dictionary)
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libidinous adj. lustful. [Latin: related to *libido] (Pocket Oxford Dictionary)- - - -
incontinent adj. 1 unable to control the bowels or bladder. 2 lacking self-restraint (esp. in sexual matters). incontinence n. (Pocket Oxford Dictionary)- - - -
rapine n. rhet. plundering. [Latin: related to *rape1] (Pocket Oxford Dictionary)
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When I ask Muslems "Why on earth would they want to follow this ungodly evil chap when they can follow Christ who opposes everything about Mahomet," their silence is deafening! |
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Christian Surname
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| Where is the evidence he had sex with her? A lot of cultures have or have had a tradition where a girl is given as a bride before she has reached puberty (she becomes a woman after her first menses). But that doesn't mean that the relationship is a sexual one. |
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Pondering
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| First, fair enough...there is no evidence he had sex with her...however, your concept of "marriage" still implies a culture that views women as property and not as independent persons... |
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composer2005
Fierce Wolf
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject: Mohammed |
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True to form, when I ask Muslems "Why on earth would they want to follow this ungodly evil chap when they can follow Christ who opposes everything about Mahomet," their silence is deafening!
On another Forum the question was also posed: If Mohammed was such a great prophet, then what prophecies of his have ever come true?
Cheers! |
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