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Waqar-Daniel
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I never misquoted the Bible - nor I went beyond what is written - I never added words to God's Words - or did I? or did you?
You did not answer my question?
Do you love satan?
Let us see how far your love run wild.
God bless
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: | I will ask you only one question because rest of your reply is just wastage of time.
Satan is our enemy - Do you love him also?
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atoz: Wow!
What a question!
Yes!
Why?
Because God says so!
Because I am my OWN worse enemy and my own best friend!
Becasue God Loves HIS enemies!
Because we obey and put God FIRST when we LOVE who He says to love: satan, and any other enemy;
and
we obey and put SATAN first when we HATE who God says to love by HATING who Satan wants us to hate: satan himself!!
Do you get it?
Satan wants to DECEIVE us in to HATING him so he can deceive us into Disobeying God and putting God last and put Satan himself first!
That is why he is called a deceiver,. Rev 12:9
Look, I am praying that you get it! Since to me, it was God Himself who inspired you to ask that question KNOWING what answer you wd get from me asGod himself showed me!
See, mom ami?
Satan wd have never inspired you that ask that, knowing that his jig is up...with me ...and with you!
Do you see?
Perfect Love casts out Hate and so fear in Hate. 1 Jn 4:18
So in hate of satan, you MUST be already fearful of him, and been taken captive by him at his will, 2 Tim 2:25-6,
since he has gotten you to hate HIM while you condemn him to God for hating YOU!
do you see?
By hating satan you are just as bad if not worse by hating him back...when God says that he is your adversary: 1 Peter 5:8-9, who we are to resist in the faith that works by Love! Gal 5:6.
And pray tell, how can we love God as our adversary, Exodus 23:22, when we hate our adversary satan, and when God uses him against us by putting us in to satan's hands when we hate him or any human adversary??
see job 1 and 1 corin 7:1-5
Please reread slowly and in Love.
What you have to do first is repent of the sinful attitude of hating who God commands you to love, and by which sin of Hate for muslims whom God loves you, who are an Xtian who is KNOWN by LOVE, Jn 13:35, have made the name of god to be blasphemed among those who are NOT Lovers by encouraging them to re-hate God and xtians and become BIGGER Haters!
acts 2:38-40. Romans 2:1 and 24
U will feel better..since you wd be nearer to God and satan MUST flee from you: he can't bear to be loved!
See how it makes PERFECT sense?
in Love, may God make his face to shine on you and bless you real good,
atoz, your friend at all times |
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
To your un-Biblical philosophy of doggy love, and adding words to the Word of God, God has this to say to you in the Bible.
if anyone adds to these things, God will add upon him the plagues having been written in this Book. And if anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and of the things having been written in this Book. (Revelation 22:18-19)
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atoz: Dear W-Q,
with all kindness, this is what is means:
If anyone adds ANY HATE to these things, God will add IN LOVE upon him the plagues having been written in this Book.
And if anyone takes away ANY LOVE from the Words of the Book of this prophecy, God will IN LOVE take away his part from the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and of the things having been written in this Book. (Revelation 22:18-19)
with all Christian Puppy Love and Respect,
atoz
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yes I do admit, Muhammed did marry Ayesha out of love, so here you are dead right. And we have also been saying so. So what this whole discussion is about? You and I admit, he did it for love.
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atoz: dear W-Q, once again kindly:
Therefore any sin on Mohammed's part, IF he sinned at all, had to been his Hatred for being single or his Hatred for having no sex or whatever he hated...like this:
2 Samuel 13:15
15Then Amnon hated her exceedingly;
so that
the hatred wherewith he hated her
was greater than
the love wherewith he had loved her.
And Amnon said unto her,
Arise, be gone.
see?
Adam also married his dtr Eve: she came out of him!
Abel also married his sister!
See how when you despise others who you despise you cause others to despise more and again?
By hating Mohammed,
you give his followers who may not know about loving themselves as good and as bad, ammunition to hate GOD and HOW he did stuff...not to mention giving atheists and evolutionists, as if they needed any ammunition, great delight in most and sadness in some, how you, who are to be known by Love, are full of Hate for sinners whom God loves:
God cd be accused of being an adulterer by impregnating Mary AFTER she was another man's betrothal.
JC was called a bastard all his life because no one believed that it was God's plan that Mary get pregnant by His divine impregnation.
So in many eyes, of his day and since, Jc was born out of wedlock....and yet he is our Son of God who saves us?
Abraham can also be accused of lying about Isaac: getting him at 99.
David was an adulterer....yet he is going to be King over the 12 apostles?
Moses was a murderer.
Paul was a murderer of xtians, yet God chose him as our chief apostle to the gentiles and who wrote most of the NT?
See how by your sin of Hate more Hate is compounded in those who alrwady do not love unconditionally and do NOT know HOW to NOT follow your un-bon or non-bon example? 
Please repent, my ami. and follow God's example of Love like this:
Acts 10:34-35
34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said,
Of a *truth* I perceive that
God is no respecter of persons:
[ie, God respects *ALL* persons!]
35But in *EVERY* nation
he
[whether he is a muslim or hindu or atheist or jew or buddhist or satanist or whosoever is the least of these or etc and calls God Vishnu or Allah or YHWH or Maxda or WHATSOEVER name]
that feareth him,
and worketh righteousness,
is accepted with him.
Do you compris what that means?
It is a sin to DISRESPECT Mohammed!
Wanna read that again ...in Love?smile
It is a sin to DISREPECT or HATE MOHAMMED in ANY way AS ANY WORD OR NAME WHICH GOD LOVES WHICH IS ALL WORDS AND NAMES.
God bless.
with all Godly Love & Respect,
atoz
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: | I never misquoted the Bible - nor I went beyond what is written - I never added words to God's Words - or did I? or did you?
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atoz: to hate whosoever when God loves whosever is to hate God and to misquote the WOG [the Word Of God]by adding in any Hate where God omits any Hate and where puts in all Love.
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W-Q: You did not answer my question?
Do you love satan?
Let us see how far your love run wild.
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atoz: My Love runs wild as far as God's Love runs wild!
U must have seen my answer by now!smile
Hope that by now you have started to UNCONDITIONALLY love God as your adversary and as your friend, and NOT only on THE CONDITION of & for being your Friend.
Matthew 5:43-48.
God bless.
in Tame Love for the wild and the tame and the wilds and the wilderness and wild animals,
atoz
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| atoz wrote: | | Waqar-Daniel wrote: | ...
Yes loving God is worship.
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atoz: Correct. Love is the Supreme First Law of God and so the first worship in & from the heart.
So Hate for any man is the first sin of hatred in & from the heart.
Let me quote another verse.
If you love Me, keep My commandments (John 14:15)
atoz: And the first Commandment before the Ten and on which the Ten hang is 'Love God and neighbor as self':
Matthew 22:36-40, especially verse 40.
Then see Matthew 7:12 for into what one statement the Ten are summarised, and so which One statement also HANGS on Love, and so without Love, all fall down.
God Bless.
Keeping all the Ten Commandments in Love and never in Hate,
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Waqar-Daniel
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:11 am Post subject: |
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There is this beautiful verse in the Bible that answers all of your irrelevant discussions and replies.
There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the ned it leads to death. (Proverbs 14:12)
You are really good at twisting Bible verses, however, let me add to your "Love Theory". If I put your "love theory" then Adam and Eve should not have been asked to leave paradise. But God banished them from His presence.
Why I do not believe what you say because, See to it no one takes you captive through hollow and DECEPTIVE philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ (Col 2:8)
If you stop using your "love theory" in Biblical verses, they will surely make sense to you and you will surely stop blaspheming and adding your inferior knowledge to God's superior knowledge.
If God had to say the verses you say, He would have used the same language. Bible is no puzzle book, or it does not have open ended answers.
When Bible does not use your language, so why should I listen to your inferior knowledge? God never spoke in secret and you think you have the clue to a puzzle???
So He made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area...Zeal of Your House comsumed Me (Mathew 2:15-17)
I know you will again translate this verse using your own words, thinking of yourself as equal to God and add words where necssary and change the meaning for your own sake.
God is love but there is a condition to God's love.
I asked a question, whether you love satan - and you said YES.
| Quote: | atoz: Wow!
What a question!
Yes! |
You love satan that is good for you but I hate satan and follow what Jesus said, that we cannot serve two masters.
And when satan came to test Jesus, satan quoted verses from the Bible, and Jesus gave him an excellent reply. So as a follower of Jesus, I will use the same reply for you too.
Away from me, Satan! For it is written:'Worship the LORD your God and serve Him only. (Mathew 4:10)
You can keep your satanic theory to yourself. I do not believe what you say and I have no time to read your boring long replies full of blasphemy.
Bye! Bye!
God bless and mercy on your soul
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atoz
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: | There is this beautiful verse in the Bible that answers all of your irrelevant discussions and replies.
There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the ned it leads to death. (Proverbs 14:12)
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atoz: Dear W-Q,
Yes, it is a most beautiful verse!
In fact, it is SO nice
that God said it twice!smile
See 16:25.
W-Q, I am a very nice person based on God's Standard of Love.
So all I am trying to do is help.
Since lower down in your reply, you mentioned that you hate Satan,
| W-Q wrote: | | You love satan that is good for you but I hate satan and follow what Jesus said, that we cannot serve two masters. |
and 99.9% of all other people worldwide and from ALL religions hate Satan and/or their enemies too, then that SIN OF HATE, that WAY of HATE for enemies IS the WAY that seems SO right to a man, to any man and to all men who have NOT yet found the WAY of Love for BOTH friends and enemies!
It's so clear and self-evident.
God tells you to PROVE all things! 1 Thessalonians 5:21. So please use your mind and THINK.
sigh
All I with God's Help can try to do is help you:
you have, out of your own mouth, convicted yourself of the sin of hating satan who God tells you to love as your enemy. Mat 5:43-48. 1 Peter 5:8-9:
to now repent of that self-admitted sin by obeying God and loving Satan as your enemy so that you can resist or oppose with Love him who hates you and who with Hate resists and opposes you.
How can you hate him who hates you and condemn him for hating you without also condemning yourself before God by you having the same Hateful attitude towards him who God commands you to love? Romans 2:1-5.
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Romans 2
1Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
But I am also encouraged for you since God Himself is the one who has brought you to that honest admission...and so will finish the work he has begun in you by taking you on to repentance and self-forgiveness and going all the way in God's Way of Love.Philip 1:6.
ok?
I love you with Godly Unconditional Love as in the condition of being my friend and as in the opposite condition of being my foe,
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atoz
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
You are really good at twisting Bible verses,
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atoz: Thanx. You really mean that I am really good at twisting straight what's already twisted in your mind just as Paul was great at turning rightside up what was already turned upside down in the minds of the Thessalonicans: Acts 17:6. So it is quite natural for you BUT WRONG to think I am twisting what's straight just as it was quite natural BUT WRONG for the Thesses to think that Paul was turning upside down what's turned rightside up.
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atoz
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
however, let me add to your "Love Theory". If I put your "love theory" then Adam and Eve should not have been asked to leave paradise. But God banished them from His presence. |
atoz: A&E did sin by the sin of Hate in their hearts for thie various parts, but because they were so new and so otherwise innocent and did not know what they were doing, tho ignorance is no excuse for NOT geting the penalty ignorantly incurred, BUT MAINLY because God loved them, he forgave them but banished them to NEXT door to Eden, which NEXT Door was quite lush and plush and pristine too, and instead of immediate death gave them 930 years to life with endless kids and grandkids and greatgrands and greatgreatgrands, and etc! |
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atoz
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
Why I do not believe what you say because, See to it no one takes you captive through hollow and DECEPTIVE philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ (Col 2:8)
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Atoz: Your only problem is that ALL I am showing you is right out of God's word, and encouraging you to BRING into captivity of Jesus Christ ALL THOUGHTS by LOVING ALL WORDS which comprise or make up all thoughts, or of which words all thougts are composed!2 Cor 10:5.
God's Word: Love Satan your enemy
Mt 5:43-48. 1 Peter 5:8-9.
Waqar-Daniel: I hate Satan.
Your fight is now in Hate against God Himself.
Give up and surrender to God and His Word. |
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atoz
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
If you stop using your "love theory" in Biblical verses, they will surely make sense to you and you will surely stop blaspheming and adding your inferior knowledge to God's superior knowledge.
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atoz: Love is God's Theory since God is Love and God's Supreme Law on which ALL other law, such as the Ten Commandments hang, is also LOVE!
1 Jn 4:18. Mt 22:36-40.
So God's biblical verses were written IN LOVE by God: so all verses had LOVE written INTO them already!
So I can't add what's already IN there!
I am just writing down for readers HOW I hear and read it
every word of God according to God's Own Law of Love as to HOW to read every word of God and HOW to live by and IN every word of God: IN LOVE!
Luke 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear:
1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
God is love;
and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God,
and God in him.
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atoz
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
If God had to say the verses you say, He would have used the same language. Bible is no puzzle book, or it does not have open ended answers.
When Bible does not use your language, so why should I listen to your inferior knowledge? God never spoke in secret and you think you have the clue to a puzzle???
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Atoz: Ok. So don't read me, read the Bible in Love for yourself:
Proverbs 25: 2 It is the glory of God to conceal[ keep secret, hide a thing:
but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
3The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings is unsearchable.
Isaiah 28:
9Whom shall he teach knowledge?
and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?
them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For
precept must be upon precept,
precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line;
here a little, and there a little:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue
will he speak to this people.
12To whom he said,
This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing:
yet they would not hear.
13But the word of the LORD was unto them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line;
here a little, and there a little;
that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Deuteronomy 29: 29
The secret things belong unto the LORD our God:
but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. |
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atoz
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
So He made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area...Zeal of Your House comsumed Me (Mathew 2:15-17)
I know you will again translate this verse using your own words, thinking of yourself as equal to God and add words where necssary and change the meaning for your own sake.
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atoz: Thanx for seeing God and Jesus in me!
Notice how you are using and saying the same words about me as those words used by those who said that Jesus was making Himself equal to God but said so IN HATE!
John 10:33-35 The Jews answered him, saying,
For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34Jesus answered them,
Is it not written in your law,
I said,
Ye are gods? Psalms 82:6.
35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world,
Thou blasphemest;
because I said,
I am the Son of God?
Plus: God himself says that if I hate you, I hate Him.
So WHO are YOU?
God too!
John 4:20 If a man say,
I love God,
and hateth his brother, he is a liar:
for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? |
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atoz
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Waqar-Daniel wrote: |
God is love but there is a condition to God's love.
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atoz: So now you are making your own Law and becoming your own type of God by making your own law of Love with ONE condition when God is God and the law-maker and lawgiver because He made his Law of Love with NO conditions.
Uh oh!
So what is your condition for loving God?
And what, in your opinion, is His condition for loving you?
In your opinion, under what condition does God hate you and the rest of mankind?
Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman,
Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
22 And the LORD God said,
Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:
and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: |
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