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Trinity1
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| FFT wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | That is profound... it appears that 5000 years of recorded human history have absolutely no weight in the argument though. |
Should it? |
Why wouldn't it? Are not eye witness accounts valid anymore? |
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FFT
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| What eye witness accounts? |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | What eye witness accounts? |
Adam.. Noah... |
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FFT
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Adam and Noah were authors in the Torah? Also, I don't remember reading about how Adam saw creation taking place. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Adam and Noah were authors in the Torah? Also, I don't remember reading about how Adam saw creation taking place. |
Sure, they both had a hand in its authorship.
Adam did know the conditions of the world then... Noah did see a global flood.... |
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FFT
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Sure, they both had a hand in its authorship. |
Did they talk it over with Moses? |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | Sure, they both had a hand in its authorship. |
Did they talk it over with Moses? |
Not in so many words... but in their writings... yeah.
If Moses was the 'author' of the Pentatuch, then there is nothing in there keeping him from editing or copying the stories down through Joseph... so, in essence, yes to your question. Makes sense to me. |
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Ana
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If Moses was the 'author' of the Pentatuch, then there is nothing in there keeping him from editing or copying the stories down through Joseph... |
This is exactly the point! If Moses was the author, then those eye witness accounts could be garbled, changed, or completely made up!
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so, in essence, yes to your question. Makes sense to me. |
You mean "yes, because I really really want it to be so." |
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Trinity1
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| Ana wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: |
If Moses was the 'author' of the Pentatuch, then there is nothing in there keeping him from editing or copying the stories down through Joseph... |
This is exactly the point! If Moses was the author, then those eye witness accounts could be garbled, changed, or completely made up! |
If you read Genesis 5:1... you can see how my hypothesis makes sense. It appears it was passed down in writing. |
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FFT
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:08 am Post subject: |
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 Tricky. Technically, 5:1 only really states that a record was kept of lineage. |
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Trinity1
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| FFT wrote: | | Tricky. Technically, 5:1 only really states that a record was kept of lineage. |
"This is the book of..."
Seems to qualif as a written 'record'. Doncha think? Thus, qualifying it as an eyewitness account.  |
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Ana
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | FFT wrote: | | Tricky. Technically, 5:1 only really states that a record was kept of lineage. |
"This is the book of..."
Seems to qualif as a written 'record'. Doncha think? Thus, qualifying it as an eyewitness account. |
It says, "This [is] the book of the generations of Adam." It does not say anything about authorship. |
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Trinity1
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| Ana wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | FFT wrote: | | Tricky. Technically, 5:1 only really states that a record was kept of lineage. |
"This is the book of..."
Seems to qualif as a written 'record'. Doncha think? Thus, qualifying it as an eyewitness account. |
It says, "This [is] the book of the generations of Adam." It does not say anything about authorship. |
That indeed is a good point Ana... and I asked the same question, or posed the same objection when this was brought up.
After reading the chapters 1-4 we receive a history of a man's life.... Adam. We also have a history of his generations... which isn't unusual... but there are a couple of things here we may be overlooking.
First, if Adam was not the author... and this is called a book... who is the author? Now this isn't really a big point (as there are other portions of the Bible where the author is not directly identified)... but it does imply Adam.
Second, I believe Adam wrote this simply because only a father would go to such great lengths to point out not only the descendants that walked in righteousness, but also those who did not... and were actually rebellious towards the very God he worshipped. To me... it makes more sense that Adam would list the generations of Cain in, all of their reprobation, because they are of his line... |
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