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Glenn Morton - Why I left Young-earth Creationism


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh... so now FFT is finally getting around to admiting that the Gnostic Gospels are flacious. Well... it is about time! Laughing
I think you're missing the part where I think that all the Gospels are fiction, but that's not relevant. The fiction I was referring to was the DaVinci Code, not any of the stuff they referenced later in the article.

If it was actually a "scientific" journal, the article should have just been this part:
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Brown says on page 8: ‘In this work of fiction, the characters, places and events are either the product of the author’s imagination or they are used entirely fictitiously.’


And other journals also publish about religious matters such as Abiogenesis as well. Whats the difference?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And other journals also publish about religious matters such as Abiogenesis as well. Whats the difference?


One supposition supports his argument, the other does not. Wink Who do you think you are deciding what he gets to pick and chose from when determining what is legitimate or not? Laughing
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And other journals also publish about religious matters such as Abiogenesis as well. Whats the difference?


One supposition supports his argument, the other does not. Wink Who do you think you are deciding what he gets to pick and chose from when determining what is legitimate or not? Laughing


I guess I'm just the unsolemn majority on this one, aren't I? I should just claim I'm some guy who's trying to impersonate me on Panda's Thumb. That would really satisfy him here I suppose.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Michael Martin wrote:
Journal of Fluid Mechanics Digital Archive

Dr. Gary Parker published in that one.

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=392458

http://pubs.asce.org/WWWdisplay.cgi?8014026 - Dr. Alan Galbraith published here. This was in ASCE accordingly.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1258663 - A.E. Wilder Smith published here

Dr. Robert Gentry published in Annual Review of Nuclear Science in 1973

So do those qualify as "Scientific"?


Are these supposed to be papers supporting creationism, or did you just randomly go out and find papers? (Because that's what it looks like you did.)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a new word for tss...

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pejorative


means: expressing criticism or disapproval(adj.)...a word, expression, or affix that expresses criticism or disapproval(noun)...

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a new word for tss...
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pejorative

means: expressing criticism or disapproval(adj.)...a word, expression, or affix that expresses criticism or disapproval(noun)...
thanks p38... Very Happy Very Happy


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I've written for the Journal of Insect Physiology



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hey doc....what bugs did you write about?... Very Happy Very Happy
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I've written for the Journal of Insect Physiology



i like ants... Very Happy Very Happy


hey doc....what bugs did you write about?... Very Happy Very Happy


According to P123, none....

The bugs actually wasn't my PHD thesis, but it was peer reviewed research that I've performed.

But according to my thesis - Title: Cellulose digestion in insects
Author(s): Martin, Michael M.
Issue Date: 1983
Publisher: Elsevier
Citation: Martin, Michael M. (1983)."Cellulose digestion in insects." Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology Part A: Physiology 75(3): 313-324.
Abstract: 1. 1. Cellulose digestion has been demonstrated in the Thysanura (Lepismatidae), Orthoptera (Cryptocercidae, Blattidae). Isoptera (Mastotermitidae. Kalotermitidae. Hodotermitidae, Rhinotermitdae, Termitidae). Coleoptera (Buprestidae. Anobiidae, Scarabaeidae, Cerambycidae), and Hymenoptera (Siricidae).2. 2. In all but the scarab beetles, cellulose digestion is brought about by a complex of three types of enzymes (C1-cellulases, Cx-cellulases, and cellobiases), as in fungi.3. 3. Many insects are able to synthesize their own Cx-cellulases and cellobiases, but few (if any) can synthesize C1-cellulases.4. 4. Insects compensate for their inability to synthesize C1-cellulases by exploiting the cellulolytic potential of protozoa, bacteria, or fungi.5. 5. The maintenance of permanent populations of hindgut protozoa, the maintenance of permanent populations of hindgut bacteria, and the ingestion of fungal cellulases are described as three distinct mechanisms by which insects have been shown to use the cellulolytic potential of microorganisms.6. 6. A process in which ingested cellulolytic bacteria proliferate in one region of the gut at the expense of ingested cellulose, only to be digested and assimilated in a more posterior section, is a fourth possible mechanism by which insects might accomplish the digestion of cellulose with the help of microorganisms.

That was up at the University of Michigan where I was doing some research at the time.

Though I never actually formally attended the University of Michigan, I did do some research work up there.
1983-1984. Graduate Research Assistant. Division of Biological Sciences, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109; characterization of digestive system of Manduca sexta; Michael M. Martin, P.I.


My original thesis paper in 1977 was on neurological effects. So not directly with insect related topics. But I do have some other experience in Insect Physiology as well.
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that is soooo cool!!!... Very Happy Very Happy ...can ants really talk like in the movie?...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Michael Martin wrote:
My original thesis paper in 1977 was on neurological effects.


The problem is that not too long ago, I asked you a question, and you answered it. The exchange went something like this:

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Could you please tell us what your two Ph.D theses were about?

Dr. Michael Martin wrote:

Insect Physiology and Production of Functional Hemoglobin in Transgenic Swine.



Give it up already! You've been outed! Nobody gets the answer to "What was your thesis about?" wrong.
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Dr. Michael Martin wrote:
My original thesis paper in 1977 was on neurological effects.


The problem is that not too long ago, I asked you a question, and you answered it. The exchange went something like this:

P1234567890 wrote:

Could you please tell us what your two Ph.D theses were about?

Dr. Michael Martin wrote:

Insect Physiology and Production of Functional Hemoglobin in Transgenic Swine.




Give it up already! You've been outed! Nobody gets the answer to "What was your thesis about?" wrong.


Sure, but it also had to do with Neurological effects! Thats the title of my Thesis however.

Grow up, P123. This is getting quite absurd. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Michael Martin wrote:
P1234567890 wrote:
Dr. Michael Martin wrote:
My original thesis paper in 1977 was on neurological effects.


The problem is that not too long ago, I asked you a question, and you answered it. The exchange went something like this:

P1234567890 wrote:

Could you please tell us what your two Ph.D theses were about?

Dr. Michael Martin wrote:

Insect Physiology and Production of Functional Hemoglobin in Transgenic Swine.




Give it up already! You've been outed! Nobody gets the answer to "What was your thesis about?" wrong.


Sure, but it also had to do with Neurological effects! Thats the title of my Thesis however.

Grow up, P123. This is getting quite absurd. Rolling Eyes


You can't just blow this off!

You said that your thesis was about

Dr. Michael Martin wrote:

Insect Physiology and Production of Functional Hemoglobin in Transgenic Swine.


'Your' web page describes your thesis thusly:

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A native of San Francisco, Dr. Martin did his undergraduate work at the University of California, Berkeley. His graduate and postdoctoral studies were at the University of Bristol, England, where he received his Ph.D. in physiology (neurosciences) for research characterizing the role of amino acids as neurotransmitters.


Now you're saying that

Dr. Michael Martin wrote:
Sure, but it also had to do with Neurological effects! Thats the title of my Thesis however.


You think you can explain away your contradiction at all, let alone with this???
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Dr. Michael Martin wrote:
P1234567890 wrote:
Dr. Michael Martin wrote:
My original thesis paper in 1977 was on neurological effects.


The problem is that not too long ago, I asked you a question, and you answered it. The exchange went something like this:

P1234567890 wrote:

Could you please tell us what your two Ph.D theses were about?

Dr. Michael Martin wrote:

Insect Physiology and Production of Functional Hemoglobin in Transgenic Swine.




Give it up already! You've been outed! Nobody gets the answer to "What was your thesis about?" wrong.


Sure, but it also had to do with Neurological effects! Thats the title of my Thesis however.

Grow up, P123. This is getting quite absurd. Rolling Eyes


You can't just blow this off!

You said that your thesis was about

Dr. Michael Martin wrote:

Insect Physiology and Production of Functional Hemoglobin in Transgenic Swine.


'Your' web page describes your thesis thusly:

Quote:
A native of San Francisco, Dr. Martin did his undergraduate work at the University of California, Berkeley. His graduate and postdoctoral studies were at the University of Bristol, England, where he received his Ph.D. in physiology (neurosciences) for research characterizing the role of amino acids as neurotransmitters.


Now you're saying that

Dr. Michael Martin wrote:
Sure, but it also had to do with Neurological effects! Thats the title of my Thesis however.


You think you can explain away your contradiction at all, let alone with this???


Are not amino acids found in hemoglobin? I'm going to teach you something useful, which is what is known as "complimentery truths." These are often overlooked in the Bible as well, and thought to be contradictions.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Michael Martin wrote:

Are not amino acids found in hemoglobin?


What do the hemoglobin, the swine, and the insects have to do with the neurotransmitters?

Was your thesis about hemoglobin, or was it about neurotransmitters? Or was it about insect physiology?
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P1234567890 wrote:
Dr. Michael Martin wrote:

Are not amino acids found in hemoglobin?


What do the hemoglobin, the swine, and the insects have to do with the neurotransmitters?

Was your thesis about hemoglobin, or was it about neurotransmitters? Or was it about insect physiology?


Ever heard of insect neurotransmission?
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