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P1234567890
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May I ask how you know this? It seems that you automatically discredited his citation of this journal based upon it being a 'religious publication'. You seem to assume that this publication was not SCIENTIFIC based solely upon it being from a religious source.
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Please. I don't shoot first and ask questions later. I looked at the journal's web site, poked around a little, and it really didn't take long at all before I found this (in their own words):
| Quote: | Started in 1984, the Journal of Creation brings you in-depth, peer-reviewed comment, reviews and the latest research findings that relate to origins and the biblical account of Creation, the Flood and the Fall.
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Does this sound scientific to you, or does it sound like they're starting with a conclusion? They aren't asking, "Did creation, the Flood, and the Fall happen?" They've already made up their minds and are searching for evidence to fit their preconceived views, just like I said. This IS NOT science.
But wait, there's more:
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The journal covers a wide spectrum of studies, not just science. Powerful articles have appeared on topics such as philosophy, theology, history, archaeology, social sciences and many more.
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In other words, it's not even PRETENDING to be a scientific journal. It openly admits that its purview is not limited to science.
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Click here to subscribeThis is a great complement to Creation magazine, providing in-depth material from many experts in their field to satisfy the enquiring mind.
The Journal of Creation presents the latest in creation research, keeping you up-to-date on creation/evolution controversies, pointing out the latest flaws in evolutionary arguments.
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Does this sound scientific to you? They're EXPLICITLY stating what their biased agenda is!
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Journal of Creation strives to publish papers that promote the development of rigorously logical biblically-consistent models in various areas.
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See? They're only interested in publishing papers which are biblically consistent. They start with the conclusion, and will only publish papers which support this conclusion, and furthermore these papers don't even have to be scientific.
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How do you know they did not start from the evidences and work to a conclusion, and given their conclusion agreed with Scripture and Christianity, they then labeled it a Christian Journal?
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Because they openly admit otherwise, and even consider it to be a selling point! They brag about how unscientific their journal is!
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Hopefully you did not assume in this situation and know beyond doubt that this journal does in fact start with a conclusion and look for evidence to support it as opposed to the way in which Science works. |
No, like I said, I read their web page. It was immediately obvious that the journal is a disgrace to all scientific journals.
That's why I want Dr. Michael to cite some PROPER papers from some mainstream journals which support his point of view. That's all I'm asking for. Either do that or admit that creationists and YECs can't get their ideas published in mainstream journals.
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | sofyst wrote: |
May I ask how you know this? It seems that you automatically discredited his citation of this journal based upon it being a 'religious publication'. You seem to assume that this publication was not SCIENTIFIC based solely upon it being from a religious source.
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Please. I don't shoot first and ask questions later. I looked at the journal's web site, poked around a little, and it really didn't take long at all before I found this (in their own words):
| Quote: | Started in 1984, the Journal of Creation brings you in-depth, peer-reviewed comment, reviews and the latest research findings that relate to origins and the biblical account of Creation, the Flood and the Fall.
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Does this sound scientific to you, or does it sound like they're starting with a conclusion? They aren't asking, "Did creation, the Flood, and the Fall happen?" They've already made up their minds and are searching for evidence to fit their preconceived views, just like I said. This IS NOT science.
But wait, there's more:
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The journal covers a wide spectrum of studies, not just science. Powerful articles have appeared on topics such as philosophy, theology, history, archaeology, social sciences and many more.
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In other words, it's not even PRETENDING to be a scientific journal. It openly admits that its purview is not limited to science.
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Click here to subscribeThis is a great complement to Creation magazine, providing in-depth material from many experts in their field to satisfy the enquiring mind.
The Journal of Creation presents the latest in creation research, keeping you up-to-date on creation/evolution controversies, pointing out the latest flaws in evolutionary arguments.
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Does this sound scientific to you? They're EXPLICITLY stating what their biased agenda is!
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Journal of Creation strives to publish papers that promote the development of rigorously logical biblically-consistent models in various areas.
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See? They're only interested in publishing papers which are biblically consistent. They start with the conclusion, and will only publish papers which support this conclusion, and furthermore these papers don't even have to be scientific.
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How do you know they did not start from the evidences and work to a conclusion, and given their conclusion agreed with Scripture and Christianity, they then labeled it a Christian Journal?
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Because they openly admit otherwise, and even consider it to be a selling point! They brag about how unscientific their journal is!
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Hopefully you did not assume in this situation and know beyond doubt that this journal does in fact start with a conclusion and look for evidence to support it as opposed to the way in which Science works. |
No, like I said, I read their web page. It was immediately obvious that the journal is a disgrace to all scientific journals.
That's why I want Dr. Michael to cite some PROPER papers from some mainstream journals which support his point of view. That's all I'm asking for. Either do that or admit that creationists and YECs can't get their ideas published in mainstream journals. |
Does this sound scientific to you, or does it sound like they're starting with a conclusion? They aren't asking, "Did creation, the Flood, and the Fall happen?" They've already made up their minds and are searching for evidence to fit their preconceived views, just like I said. This IS NOT science.
You're starting with the conclusion that they did not! Whats the difference?
But wait, there's more:
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The journal covers a wide spectrum of studies, not just science. Powerful articles have appeared on topics such as philosophy, theology, history, archaeology, social sciences and many more.
In other words, it's not even PRETENDING to be a scientific journal. It openly admits that its purview is not limited to science.
NOT LIMITED TO SCIENCE does not make it Anti-Science or not Science. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | sofyst wrote: |
May I ask how you know this? It seems that you automatically discredited his citation of this journal based upon it being a 'religious publication'. You seem to assume that this publication was not SCIENTIFIC based solely upon it being from a religious source.
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Please. I don't shoot first and ask questions later. I looked at the journal's web site, poked around a little, and it really didn't take long at all before I found this (in their own words):
| Quote: | Started in 1984, the Journal of Creation brings you in-depth, peer-reviewed comment, reviews and the latest research findings that relate to origins and the biblical account of Creation, the Flood and the Fall.
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Does this sound scientific to you, or does it sound like they're starting with a conclusion? They aren't asking, "Did creation, the Flood, and the Fall happen?" They've already made up their minds and are searching for evidence to fit their preconceived views, just like I said. This IS NOT science.
But wait, there's more:
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The journal covers a wide spectrum of studies, not just science. Powerful articles have appeared on topics such as philosophy, theology, history, archaeology, social sciences and many more.
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In other words, it's not even PRETENDING to be a scientific journal. It openly admits that its purview is not limited to science.
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Click here to subscribeThis is a great complement to Creation magazine, providing in-depth material from many experts in their field to satisfy the enquiring mind.
The Journal of Creation presents the latest in creation research, keeping you up-to-date on creation/evolution controversies, pointing out the latest flaws in evolutionary arguments.
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Does this sound scientific to you? They're EXPLICITLY stating what their biased agenda is!
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Journal of Creation strives to publish papers that promote the development of rigorously logical biblically-consistent models in various areas.
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See? They're only interested in publishing papers which are biblically consistent. They start with the conclusion, and will only publish papers which support this conclusion, and furthermore these papers don't even have to be scientific.
| sofyst wrote: |
How do you know they did not start from the evidences and work to a conclusion, and given their conclusion agreed with Scripture and Christianity, they then labeled it a Christian Journal?
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Because they openly admit otherwise, and even consider it to be a selling point! They brag about how unscientific their journal is!
| sofyst wrote: |
Hopefully you did not assume in this situation and know beyond doubt that this journal does in fact start with a conclusion and look for evidence to support it as opposed to the way in which Science works. |
No, like I said, I read their web page. It was immediately obvious that the journal is a disgrace to all scientific journals.
That's why I want Dr. Michael to cite some PROPER papers from some mainstream journals which support his point of view. That's all I'm asking for. Either do that or admit that creationists and YECs can't get their ideas published in mainstream journals. |
I can grab a few from CSR...... |
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sofyst
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| P123 wrote: | | Quote: | | Started in 1984, the Journal of Creation brings you in-depth, peer-reviewed comment, reviews and the latest research findings that relate to origins and the biblical account of Creation, the Flood and the Fall. |
Does this sound scientific to you, or does it sound like they're starting with a conclusion? They aren't asking, "Did creation, the Flood, and the Fall happen?" They've already made up their minds and are searching for evidence to fit their preconceived views, just like I said. This IS NOT science. |
I see no such thing, all I see is them telling when they started and what their findings relate to. If it had read, 'started in 1984, this journal brings you in-depth, peer-reviewed comment, reviews and the latest research on findings that relate to Evolution' would you think that they were searching for evidence to fit their preconceived views?
All I see, and what you are attempting to make much of, is them giving a description of themselves. They are saying they are a journal that deals with these issues. For you to then extrapolate from this simple comment that they started with their conclusion and are looking for evidence is for you to superimpose what isn't there...it is very dishonest.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | The journal covers a wide spectrum of studies, not just science. Powerful articles have appeared on topics such as philosophy, theology, history, archaeology, social sciences and many more. |
In other words, it's not even PRETENDING to be a scientific journal. It openly admits that its purview is not limited to science. |
My friend, stop. Do you discredit every Scientific Journal that covers Philosophy and History as well? As he said above, being not limited to science does not make it unscientific.
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Click here to subscribeThis is a great complement to Creation magazine, providing in-depth material from many experts in their field to satisfy the enquiring mind.
The Journal of Creation presents the latest in creation research, keeping you up-to-date on creation/evolution controversies, pointing out the latest flaws in evolutionary arguments. |
Does this sound scientific to you? They're EXPLICITLY stating what their biased agenda is! |
When one quotes truth, or what they think as truth, they necessarily point out the flaws in what they think is false. Even your 'Scientific Journals' do this. Or would have me believe that these Journals of yours do not point out flaws in opposing theories?
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Journal of Creation strives to publish papers that promote the development of rigorously logical biblically-consistent models in various areas. |
See? They're only interested in publishing papers which are biblically consistent. They start with the conclusion, and will only publish papers which support this conclusion, and furthermore these papers don't even have to be scientific. |
Perhaps then you can show me from your Journals wherein they publish papers that are not 'Evolutionary-consistent'? Do they routinely publish articles that contradict the evolutionary 'truth'? Or are they pretty much centered around this a prior belief and do not stray from this???
| Quote: | | That's why I want Dr. Michael to cite some PROPER papers from some mainstream journals which support his point of view. That's all I'm asking for. Either do that or admit that creationists and YECs can't get their ideas published in mainstream journals. |
But if all 'mainstream journals' show the bias that you are showing here, there is no way in hell anyone could get their papers published that do not explicitely agree with the journals a prior beliefs...
This display here is truly quite sad, you have really let me down...
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: |
I can grab a few from CSR...... |
Can you explain in a little more depth what CSR does? Is it a peer-review agency which works for journals? Is it a journal? How does it work?
Also, do you have a list of publications that we can look at?
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Dr. Michael Martin wrote: |
I can grab a few from CSR...... |
Can you explain in a little more depth what CSR does? Is it a peer-review agency which works for journals? Is it a journal? How does it work?
Also, do you have a list of publications that we can look at? |
Its a peer review agency, in other words, we look over all different types of articles presented for journals.
Publications online? Not unless you go to GoogleScholar. I personally don't have a lot here that I can show you that I've edited...all on my computer at work. |
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All I see, and what you are attempting to make much of, is them giving a description of themselves. They are saying they are a journal that deals with these issues. For you to then extrapolate from this simple comment that they started with their conclusion and are looking for evidence is for you to superimpose what isn't there...it is very dishonest.
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They're publishing papers about Creation, the Flood, and the Fall. They're starting with the conclusion that these things happened and they are looking for evidence to support this preconceived conclusion. Please don't make me go and get articles from the journal which prove it.
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My friend, stop. Do you discredit every Scientific Journal that covers Philosophy and History as well? As he said above, being not limited to science does not make it unscientific.
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Proper scientific journals don't do this. If you submit a purely philosophical or historical piece to a scientific journal, most will reject you outright. Proper journals tend to have a very narrow scope which doesn't include philosophy or history. That is what philosophy and history journals are for. In fact, there are probably even journals about scientific philosophy and history.
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Perhaps then you can show me from your Journals wherein they publish papers that are not 'Evolutionary-consistent'? Do they routinely publish articles that contradict the evolutionary 'truth'? Or are they pretty much centered around this a prior belief and do not stray from this???
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Dr. Michael said that 57% of mainstream scientists are creationists. If creationists can't get their papers published in scientific journals under these conditions which totally favor them, then obviously there must be something seriously wrong with the SCIENCE of what they're claiming.
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But if all 'mainstream journals' show the bias that you are showing here, there is no way in hell anyone could get their papers published that do not explicitely agree with the journals a prior beliefs...
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Dr. Michael thinks that mainstream science is biased TOWARDS creationism, and not away from it.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr. Michael Martin wrote: |
Its a peer review agency, in other words, we look over all different types of articles presented for journals.
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So people submit papers to journals, they send them to you, and then you find appropriate peer reviewers? Is that how it works?
Which journals do you guys work with?
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Publications online? Not unless you go to GoogleScholar. I personally don't have a lot here that I can show you that I've edited...all on my computer at work. |
No, they don't have to be publications which are located on-line. I'm at a major research university with a first rate library system. I will be able to find any and all papers that you've published. If you can cite it, I can find it!
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| P123 wrote: | | They're publishing papers about Creation, the Flood, and the Fall. They're starting with the conclusion that these things happened and they are looking for evidence to support this preconceived conclusion. Please don't make me go and get articles from the journal which prove it. |
Simply because they're publishing papers about those subjects in no way equates that they started with those conclusions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't EVERY JOURNAL publish papers about certain subjects, should we then (if you're reasoning is correct) assume that they all started with specific conclusions and are then attempting to find evidences for them?
I really would love if you went and got the articles to prove this claim of your's. I would much rather me look like an ass, then for you to continue making these assertions without backing. I for one am able to admit when I am wrong, therefore go get the papers and prove me wrong. Please.
| Quote: | | Proper scientific journals don't do this. If you submit a purely philosophical or historical piece to a scientific journal, most will reject you outright. Proper journals tend to have a very narrow scope which doesn't include philosophy or history. That is what philosophy and history journals are for. In fact, there are probably even journals about scientific philosophy and history. |
But the mere idea that there is included within there different subjects does not mean that the Science likewise included in there is discredited. Perhaps they are not 'proper' in that they don't follow by the rules, but being improper doesn't mean you can't speak truth.
| Quote: | | Dr. Michael said that 57% of mainstream scientists are creationists. If creationists can't get their papers published in scientific journals under these conditions which totally favor them, then obviously there must be something seriously wrong with the SCIENCE of what they're claiming. |
But P! don't you see that even if they did get them published in 'Scientific Journals' you would outright reject the journals as not being scientific based solely upon them containing these articles. Even if 57% percent of all Scientist were creationist, and 98% of all journals featured Creationist Papers, you would nonetheless say they were not Proper enough, or not main-stream enough, or not Scientific enough.
| Quote: | | Dr. Michael thinks that mainstream science is biased TOWARDS creationism, and not away from it. |
As long as you continue to say the word 'mainstream science' and offer no objective definition for it, this statement is meaningless. You continually redefine what is 'mainstream' to represent whatever branch doesn't represent your opposing views...
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Dr. Michael Martin wrote: |
Its a peer review agency, in other words, we look over all different types of articles presented for journals.
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So people submit papers to journals, they send them to you, and then you find appropriate peer reviewers? Is that how it works?
Which journals do you guys work with?
We do more than just that. We edit papers as well as accept submissions.
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Publications online? Not unless you go to GoogleScholar. I personally don't have a lot here that I can show you that I've edited...all on my computer at work. |
No, they don't have to be publications which are located on-line. I'm at a major research university with a first rate library system. I will be able to find any and all papers that you've published. If you can cite it, I can find it! |
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Fellowship: Brain Disorders and Related Neuroscience (F01) Dr. Suzan Nadi
Neural Basis of Psychopathology, Addictions, and Sleep Disorders (NPAS) Mr. Julius Cinque
SRA Intern Dr. George McKie
IRG Administrative Assistant Ms. Janet Mfon (Contractor)
Health of the Population IRG (HOP)
Dr. Robert Weller, Chief
Dr. Ann Hardy, Deputy Chief
Behavioral Genetics and Epidemiology (BGES) Dr. Elisabeth Koss
Biostatistical Methods and Research Design (BMRD) Dr. Ann Hardy
Cardiovascular and Sleep Epidemiology (CASE) Dr. J. Osborne
Community Influences on Health Behavior (CIHB) Dr. Ellen Schwartz
Community-Level Health Promotion (CLHP) Dr. William Elwood
Epidemiology of Cancer (EPIC) Dr. Denise Wiesch
Small Business: Health of the Population (HOP 10) Dr. Karin Helmers
Health of the Population SEPs (HOP-B) Dr. Valerie Durrant
Health of the Population SEPs (HOP-S) Dr. Steven Krosnick
Health of the Population SEPs (HOP-T) Dr. Fungai Chanetsa
Health of the Population SEPs (HOP-U) Dr. Alfonso Latoni
Health of the Population SEPs (HOP-W) Dr. Heidi Friedman
Health Services Organization and Delivery (HSOD) Dr. Kathy Salaita
Infectious Diseases, Reproductive Health, Asthma and Pulmonary Conditions (IRAP) Dr. Sandra Melnick
Kidney, Nutrition, Obesity and Diabetes (KNOD) Dr. Christopher Sempos
Neurological, Aging and Musculoskeletal Epidemiology (NAME) Dr. Mary Ann Guadagno
Nursing Science: Adults and Older Adults (NSAA) Dr. Gertrude McFarland
Nursing Science: Children and Families (NSCF) Dr. Melinda Tinkle
Social Sciences and Population Studies (SSPS) Dr. Robert Weller
IRG Administrative Assistant Ms. Paula Roberts (Contractor)
Risk, Prevention and Health Behavior IRG (RPHB)
Dr. Michael Micklin, Chief
Behavioral Medicine Interventions and Outcomes (BMIO) Dr. Lee S. Mann
Fellowship: Psychosocial and Developmental Processes, Personality and Behavior (F11) Dr. Karen Lechter
Psychosocial Development, Risk, and Prevention (PDRP) Ms. Victoria Levin
Psychosocial Risk and Disease Prevention (PRDP) Dr. Martha Faraday
Small Business: Disease, Health Related Behavior and Education (RPHB 10) Dr. Claire Gutkin
Small Business: Addiction Related Prevention and Education (RPHB 11) Dr. Claire Gutkin
Small Business: Metabolic, Childhood Behavior and Education (RPHB 12) Dr. Claire Gutkin
Risk, Prevention and Health Behavior SEPs (RPHB-B) Dr. Karen Lechter
Risk, Prevention and Health Behavior SEPs (RPHB-H) Dr. Gayle Boyd
Risk, Prevention and Health Behavior SEPs (RPHB-K) Dr. Gabriel Fosu
Social Psychology, Personality, and Interpersonal Processes (SPIP) Dr. Anna Riley
IRG Administrative Assistant Ms. Denise McGarrell (Contractor)
Surgical Sciences, Biomedical Imaging and Bioengineering IRG (SBIB)
Dr. Eileen Bradley, Chief
Dr. Dharam Dhindsa, Deputy Chief
Biomedical Computing and Health Informatics (BCHI) Dr. Bill Bunnag
Biomedical Information Science and Bioengineering (BISB-N) Dr. Khalid Masood
Biomedical Imaging Technology (BMIT) Dr. Lee Rosen
Bioengineering, Technology, and Surgical Sciences (BTSS) Dr. Dharam Dhindsa
Medical Imaging (MEDI) Dr. Eileen Bradley
Surgery, Anesthesiology, and Trauma (SAT) Dr. Weihua Luo
Small Business Bioelectromagnetics (SBIB 10) Dr. Lee Rosen
Development of Methods for in vivo Imaging and Bioengineering Research (SBIB-J) Dr. Behrouz Shabestari
Innovations in Biomedical Computational Science and Technology (SBIB-Q) Dr. Guo Feng Xu
Bioengineering & Biomaterials BRPs (SBIB-S) Dr. Xiang-Ning Li
Small Business Bioengineering, Surgical Sciences and Technology (SBTS) Dr. Roberto Matus
Biomedical Sensing, Measurement and Instrumentation SBIR
(SSMI) Dr. Pushpa Tandon
ESA Rebecca Feuerherd
IRG Administrative Assistant Melissa Bonardi (Contractor)
Program Analyst Ms. Kristeena Sigler, Program Analyst
Division Administrative Assistant Ms. Ruthann Rand, Division Administrative Assistant
Thats from our site.....that should work.
As far as what we do:
"The Peer Review Process"
What Happens to Your Grant Application
A Primer for New Applicants
The Center for Scientific Review (CSR) receives all NIH and many other Public Health Service grant applications. Most investigator-initiated applications for NIH funds are referred to CSR review groups. The NIH Institutes and Centers (ICs) coordinate the review of many IC-specific applications and use the same peer review process described below.
Your application is assigned to a review group and an NIH Institute or Center
One or more CSR Referral Officers examines your application and determines the most appropriate Integrated Review Group (IRG) to assess it for scientific merit. Your application is then assigned to one of the IRG’s study sections. A study section typically includes 30 or more scientists from the community of productive researchers. Your application also will be assigned to the NIH IC best suited to fund your application should it have sufficient merit. (More than one IC may be assigned if appropriate.)
Referral Officers follow established guidelines that define the review boundaries of each study section. These boundaries frequently overlap, and more than one study section may have the expertise to review your application. You may request in a cover letter with your application that it be assigned to a particular study section or IC. The CSR referral office seriously considers such requests.
The combined expertise of the scientists in a study section is intended to span the breadth and diversity of the science it covers. CSR may recruit temporary reviewers or secure mail reviews from outside consultants. Special Emphasis Panels also may be formed on an ad-hoc basis to review applications when special expertise is required or when special circumstances arise.
An assignment notice is sent to you
Within 10 days of determining your assignments, CSR will send notices to you and your sponsored research office. You may question either your study section or IC assignment by contacting the Scientific Review Administrator (SRA) noted in your letter or the CSR referral office (301-435-0715). It usually takes 6 weeks to refer the thousands of applications submitted each round. If you do not receive your notice within this period, you should contact the referral office.
Reviewers are identified
Your SRA will analyze the content of your application, check for completeness, and decide which study section members can best review it or act as discussants. Study section members receive electronic copies of your application approximately 6 weeks before their meeting. Typically, two or three members are asked to provide written reviews of each application, and one or two additional members serve as discussants. These members alos will receive paper copies of your application.
Because of the multi-month period between submission and review, applicants often wish to submit additional materials. Before you do, you should contact your SRA to ascertain the acceptable content, format, and deadline.
Before the study section meets, members list all R01 applications believed to be in the lower half for scientific merit. If all members agree, these applications are “streamlined.” They will not be discussed at the meeting, but the assigned reviewers will still provide written critiques. “Streamlining” is not equivalent to disapproval.
The review meeting is convened
Study section members convene for about 2 days. One member serves as chair and conducts the meeting with the SRA. Relevant NIH extramural staff are encouraged to attend, but they may not participate. Assigned reviewers and discussants present their evaluations and outside opinions are read. After a general discussion, members mark their priority scores privately on scoring sheets, which are later tabulated by CSR.
The results are made available to you
Within a few days after the meeting, your priority score and percentile ranking are available to you via the NIH Commons. Information on the Commons and how to register is available at https://commons.era.nih.gov/commons. Within about 30 days, your summary statement will be available via your NIH Commons account. It will include (1) the written critiques produced by the assigned reviewers, (2) the SRA’s summary of the study section’s discussion, (3) study section recommendations, and (4) administrative notes of special consideration.
The assigned NIH Institute or Center Takes Charge
After the review, an IC program officer will be your main point of contact. He or she may help interpret your review results or answer questions about the further consideration of your application. In a second level of peer review, IC Advisory Councils may consider the study section’s recommendations and determine the relevance of your proposed research to IC priorities and public health needs.
Get More Information on Peer Review at CSR
Inside the NIH Grant Review Process Video
CSR Best Practices Web Page
How Scientists Are Selected For Study Section Service
Guidelines for Study Section Chairs
Role of the Study Section Chairs
How Scientists Are Selected For Study Section Service
Get General Grant Information
The NIH Office of Extramural Research Grants (OER) Web page provides a wealth of information on funding opportunities, grant application forms, instructions, and policies. It also operates the NIH GrantsInfo service, which can be contacted via e-mail (grantsinfo@nih.gov) or phone (301 435-0714). In addition, the OER Web site provides information on the peer review policies and procedures pertaining to all NIH components that conduct peer reviews.
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Seems to me that we have read much about 'peer review' and then when faced with the actual fact of peer review, the idea is trying to be discredited. Mainly because what is being peer reviewed doesn't jive with a particular agenda.
Intellectual dishonesty, pure and simple.
By the way, are anthropology and archeology sciences? It would seem that history necessarily involves the two, doesn't it?
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By the way, are anthropology and archeology sciences? It would seem that history necessarily involves the two, doesn't it? |
They're so-called 'soft sciences'.
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I forgot about these: |
Actually, I was more interested in which papers on which you were an author / co-author. Sorry, I wasn't very clear.
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so-called? is this qualified in peer-reviewed scientific journal somewhere?
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