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P1234567890
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He's saying that if you're stupid, you'll end up getting stuck in Iraq. He's NOT saying that if you're a soldier in Iraq, then you're stupid.
I think that what Kerry said was stupid, but if we're nitpicking, then I feel obliged to point this out.
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Pondering
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: |
He's saying that if you're stupid, you'll end up getting stuck in Iraq. He's NOT saying that if you're a soldier in Iraq, then you're stupid.
I think that what Kerry said was stupid, but if we're nitpicking, then I feel obliged to point this out. |
OK...so who is "getting stuck" in Iraq? McDonald's employees? Janitors?
Again, look at Kerry's history, the audience he was addressing and it's obvious who he meant. Maybe his original intention was to bash Bush, but he hammed it up to the crowd...and got caught.
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| Pondering wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: |
He's saying that if you're stupid, you'll end up getting stuck in Iraq. He's NOT saying that if you're a soldier in Iraq, then you're stupid.
I think that what Kerry said was stupid, but if we're nitpicking, then I feel obliged to point this out. |
OK...so who is "getting stuck" in Iraq? McDonald's employees? Janitors?
Again, look at Kerry's history, the audience he was addressing and it's obvious who he meant. Maybe his original intention was to bash Bush, but he hammed it up to the crowd...and got caught. |
Look, Kerry shouldn't have said it. But look at the logical structure of what he was saying.
I think that he was saying something along the lines of, "If you are dumb and don't get an education, then your only way to make it in life will be to join the army, and in that case you'll end up stuck over in Iraq."
This is far different than saying, "If you are a soldier over in Iraq, then it means that you are uneducated and dumb."
Everyone seems to be reading the implication he made in the wrong direction!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| Pondering wrote: | | FFT wrote: | Weird, didn't someone just post the context? About how Kerry was just talking about Iraq?
I mean, if I didn't know better, RevJP, I'd accuse you of false witness  |
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20061102KerryEdits.jpg
You really think Kerry botched a joke?
You're usually pretty good with Ockham's razor. |
The joke isn't what's important. RevJP seemed to think that Kerry was speaking about all soldiers ever with his statement.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Funny... Kerry's 'joke' offended thousands upon thousands of people - rightfully so for it was offensive and he expressed complete idiocy in even entering that door, yet it gets defended on this board.
My joke, while completely unoffensive, insignificant in the scheme of anything seems to draw the sharks like chum in the water... 
It just seems funny that some try to find fault where there is none, when there is so much obvious fault out there that they want to defend and sweep under the rug.
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| RevJP wrote: | Funny... Kerry's 'joke' offended thousands upon thousands of people - rightfully so for it was offensive and he expressed complete idiocy in even entering that door, yet it gets defended on this board.
My joke, while completely unoffensive, insignificant in the scheme of anything seems to draw the sharks like chum in the water...
It just seems funny that some try to find fault where there is none, when there is so much obvious fault out there that they want to defend and sweep under the rug. |
Do you think I'm defending Kerry?
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RevJP
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My goodness gracious P! Either you are feeling guilty for some reason, suffering from an inferiority complex, or completely self absorbed... I cannot tell which. However every comment made, or made by me, is not directed towards you, or you alone.
read the thread man!
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Lots of smart guys never wore combat boots....
According to Kerry, none did. |
Weird, didn't someone just post the context? About how Kerry was just talking about Iraq?
I mean, if I didn't know better, RevJP, I'd accuse you of false witness
The joke isn't what's important. RevJP seemed to think that Kerry was speaking about all soldiers ever with his statement. |
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P1234567890
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| RevJP wrote: | | My goodness gracious P! Either you are feeling guilty for some reason, suffering from an inferiority complex, or completely self absorbed... I cannot tell which. However every comment made, or made by me, is not directed towards you, or you alone. |
Well, you made a very general statement, so it's hard to tell who it was directed at. This is why I specifically asked for clarification; I was just trying to be clear...
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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RevJP
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Fair enough.
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FFT
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Funny... Kerry's 'joke' offended thousands upon thousands of people - rightfully so for it was offensive and he expressed complete idiocy in even entering that door, yet it gets defended on this board. |
I'm not defending it, merely pointing out that you were exaggerating on an unfortunate level.
| RevJP wrote: | | My joke, while completely unoffensive, insignificant in the scheme of anything seems to draw the sharks like chum in the water... |
I pointed out that you were exaggerating. Deal.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:49 am Post subject: |
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Troll much?
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Ana
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Expressing disagreement does not a troll make.
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FFT
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Quote: | | Lots of smart guys never wore combat boots.... |
According to Kerry, none did. |
You (deliberately?) misinterpreted what Kerry said, and now you're reacting (excessively) to me pointing it out.
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Ana
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Interesting sidenote: this is a description of topics that often elicit 'flame wars':
| This article wrote: | The Problem: Flamebait
"Flamebait" (sometimes rendered "Flame Bait") is a subject that people feel strongly about and which almost always causes causes sharp divisions in viewpoint. In general, these topics involve sex, religion and politics. Here are some examples of topics that are considered flamebait:
Abortion
Atheism
Capital punishment
Gun control
Legalization of drugs
When flame war veterans see one of these topics come up, they often restrict their reply to something like, "This is flamebait; I'm not touching this topic." Inexperienced users, on the other hand, blithely charge in, and the same tired arguments are trotted out for the millionth time. Nobody changes their position and everybody gets irritated. |
This whole website deals with all kinds of issues like these. The trick is not to let your feathers get ruffled I'd say this community manages this far better than most I've seen.
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