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IronSharpensIron
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P1234567890
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Good post, Iron...
Yup, Fox News is definitely evil. Did you know that Bush's cousin was high up in Fox News on the night of the election in 2000? It was his decision to call Florida for Bush.
This basically handed the presidency to him. If Fox HADN'T called Florida for Bush, then one very important thing could never have happened:
Bush could not have sued to have the recounts in Florida stopped. Imagine if Florida was in the 'too close to call' category like all of the other stations said it was... Then imagine if Bush would have tried to sue to get the recounts stopped... There would have been hell to pay.
But because Fox News tricked everyone into thinking that Florida was red, they were able to sue to have the recounts stopped, and Bush was able to steal the office of president.
...All thanks to Fox News.
Check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore
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RevJP
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P123, that was so much.... horse hooey.
You are actually trying to say that Fox news caused the whole debacle? 
You are seriously (are you serious or just being silly to create discussion?) trying to suggest that one news agency out of hundreds reporting on the election, actually was able to hand the decision to Bush?
I'm not sure if you are really serious or just deluded. I can only say that I didn't watch Fox news during that election (or at all really) and that nothing on CNN or MSNBC mentioned anything about Fox News declaring victory for G.W., but they were all over the whole story from the begining of the election to the end. Maybe I missed something?
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: |
I'm not sure if you are really serious or just deluded. I can only say that I didn't watch Fox news during that election (or at all really) and that nothing on CNN or MSNBC mentioned anything about Fox News declaring victory for G.W., but they were all over the whole story from the begining of the election to the end. Maybe I missed something? |
After Fox declared Florida for Bush (which is just absurd, considering how close it was), all of the other stations were so worried that they were getting scooped that they all just did the same thing... and this all happened because Bush's cousin was the head guy in the news room.
If every single station would have told the TRUTH (that Florida was too close to call), Bush never would have been able to sue to have the recount stopped. I think it's that simple.
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RevJP
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Bull. Bush was able to sue because of the election results, not because A news agency declared him the winner.
The courts do not consider the opinion of a news agency when deciding to take a case or when deciding the judgement of that case. To suggest such is absolutely absurd.
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P1234567890
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| RevJP wrote: | Bull. Bush was able to sue because of the election results, not because A news agency declared him the winner.
The courts do not consider the opinion of a news agency when deciding to take a case or when deciding the judgement of that case. To suggest such is absolutely absurd. |
I agree! I'm not talking about the courts; I'm talking about public opinion.
If Florida was in the 'too close to call' camp, and Bush sued to have the recounts stopped, the voting public would have freaked out. The courts might still have ruled in his favor, but that's not my point.
My point is that he couldn't have stopped the recount with the public thinking that Florida was still undecided... this would have created a major controversy.
Fox News didn't affect the supreme court ruling; it affected public opinion and perception.
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This deal with Bush 'suing to have the recount stopped' is a farce. Bush was only asking the state to obey the law.
First of all, I was in Italy when this thing was going on. We are six hours ahead over there and at about 2 AM... Eastern time, in Florida, Bush wa ahead by about 40K votes with almost 90% of th precincts counted.
When Gore was heading to make his concession speech... you know... the one he was going to make after the concession phone call... this is the information he had... this is the same information Fox had. Funny how we are ignoring that FACT and jumping to conclusions about how evil Fox is... how about Gore... was he being evil too. Stupid argument!!!
Second, Katherine Harris was following the law when she declared Bush the winner. The law sets forth the processes for counting the votes, tallying the votes, and declaring a winner and loser. She followed law. It was the election commission that decided to break the law and have a recount. By breaking the law they were seeking to disenfranchise those who voted for Bush... those who expect the rule of law to be followed in elections, and those who would be wronged if this thing would have been over turned... illegally. How anyone can sit here and try to re-write history with all of these facts staring them in the face is almost unbelievable!
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IronSharpensIron
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The whole 'create a market thing' is wrong, especially based on fear...God help us all...
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Second, Katherine Harris was following the law when she declared Bush the winner. The law sets forth the processes for counting the votes, tallying the votes, and declaring a winner and loser. She followed law. It was the election commission that decided to break the law and have a recount. By breaking the law they were seeking to disenfranchise those who voted for Bush... those who expect the rule of law to be followed in elections, and those who would be wronged if this thing would have been over turned... illegally. How anyone can sit here and try to re-write history with all of these facts staring them in the face is almost unbelievable! |
So even if there had been voter fraud, it's better to just let it slide?
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Trinity1
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| FFT wrote: | | So even if there had been voter fraud, it's better to just let it slide? |
Absolutely not... I'm not saying that at all. There are provisions, procedures, and steps that are taken if voter fraud is suspected. These steps would have been taken had the illegal route not been pursued. However, to throw out the results, like Gore and his boys wanted to do, is essentially stealing the elections because they didn't like the outcome. He lost... period. The only results he would have accepted in a re-count would have been those that were in his favor. Everyone that was not... he would ignore.
The big problem I have with this episode is that Gore only wanted recounts in those areas that were heavily democratic... meaning, he could suck some more votes out since that odds were in his favor. He did not want them re-counted in republican strong holds. Nor did he want the results of other close states re-counted either... states that he won. No, the only ones he wanted re-counted were the ones that would have illegally made him President... and that is NEVER focused on... his illegitimate claims.
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Trinity has stated the facts, as they existed at the time. Can one argue the facts?
One interesting thing needs to be pointed out: Bush won, fair and square. All the individual firms, news agencies, etc. that had done their own recounts after the fact (I know of 6 recounts by differing agencies) have demonstrated the same thing: Bush won. The margin was small, but the numbers do not lie: Bush would have won Florida no matter how the cake was sliced.
Of course all the whiney lefty's don't tell you that when they wrongly assert that Bush 'stole' the election.
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| yeah...just nevermind the "fact" 6000 votes from black (mostly democrat) community's disappeared and were never counted ...in an election that was won by a few hundred votes...how convenient...that makes all the difference...and with the admin of the state beng in his party and his family...i think "stole" is a very appropriate word... |
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Why do you care TSS? You don't vote anyway so what does it matter to you if all votes were counted or not?
BTW, two news agencies counted every single vote whether or not the courts decided they 'qualified' or not. The results were the same - Bush won, and would've won.
Facts are facts, you can't deny them just because you don't like them.
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that is kind of funny that they counted every single one since those six thousand plus have never been found.... 
and i don't care really...just keeping the facts straight...  ... |
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| Quote: | | that is kind of funny that they counted every single one since those six thousand plus have never been found.... |
Really? What happened to them? What proof is there that they even existed? and what count has there been that indicates that the imaginary 6000 votes would have made a difference? The margin of victory was more than 30 times 6000.
| Quote: | | and i don't care really...just keeping the facts straight.. |
You have demonstrated in this thread that you don't fully understand what 'the facts' are, so how could you 'keep them straight'?
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