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theseldomscene
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| Quote: | | Yes, exactly! And nobody claims that we're going to obliterate the entire planet! |
i personally can't understand how people could not know the meaning of your thread...or how they could get confused when you say destroying the earth and not understand you are meaning the destroying of our habitat...which is totally within our power as supported by common sense, science and scripture...as opposed to the complete annhiliation of a ball of dirt and rock floating through space...that very confusion seems intellectually dishonest imo to even try... |
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okieguitarman
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | Quote: | | Yes, exactly! And nobody claims that we're going to obliterate the entire planet! |
i personally can't understand how people could not know the meaning of your thread...or how they could get confused when you say destroying the earth and not understand you are meaning the destroying of our habitat...which is totally within our power as supported by common sense, science and scripture...as opposed to the complete annhiliation of a ball of dirt and rock floating through space...that very confusion seems intellectually dishonest imo to even try... |
I have to take a posting at its words.Many of them on this thread stated that we were destroying the earth.
Man is not destroying the earth,the climate,or the habitat.
Animals are very adaptive and this was proven a few years ago in the Seattle area.The enviormentalists were complaining that the lumber industry was destroying the habitat for the spotted owl.
Then a news tape was shown where spotted owls were living on billboards along I-5 and other highways.
Animals will adapt.
There are no scriptures on global warming and it is dishonest to imply that there are.
This thread is all about mans idea of what is happening to the "habitat".
Enviormentalism is another form of Socialism and a FALSE RELIGION.
The earth will be in fine condition 10,000 years from now even if we are driving automobiles and flying airplanes a 1000 years from now. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| okieguitarman wrote: |
I have to take a posting at its words.Many of them on this thread stated that we were destroying the earth.
Man is not destroying the earth,the climate,or the habitat.
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Do I need to show you the pictures again? I showed you pictures of lake Chad and the Larsen ice shelf. Do I need to show you pictures of amazon deforestation as well? Do I need to show you pictures of toxic dumps?
If you won't believe your own eyes, then your denial of truth is even more extreme than anyone here could have imagined...
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Animals are very adaptive and this was proven a few years ago in the Seattle area.The enviormentalists were complaining that the lumber industry was destroying the habitat for the spotted owl.
Then a news tape was shown where spotted owls were living on billboards along I-5 and other highways.
Animals will adapt.
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No, a very tiny minority of animals will adapt. We are currently in the middle of the largest global mass-extinction in tens of millions of years. We are losing thousands of species every year, and they're NEVER coming back. That's not an exaggeration, so no, they won't adapt.
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There are no scriptures on global warming and it is dishonest to imply that there are.
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As was pointed out to you above, there are plenty of scriptures about man destroying the Earth, and Global Warming is an example of that. What part of that do you disagree with?
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Enviormentalism is another form of Socialism
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What are you talking about? Environmentalism is simply a conservative position on environmental issues. It doesn't say ANYTHING about social programs.
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and a FALSE RELIGION.
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Where are the prayers? Where are the spiritual beliefs? Where is the god? I'm an environmentalist, and I'm telling you that I have no environmental religious beliefs WHATSOEVER, and furthermore neither do any of my tree-hugging friends.
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The earth will be in fine condition 10,000 years from now |
Only if we can change people's attitudes enough so that you're in the minority. Otherwise we won't even be in fine condition 50 years from now. Your kids will get to see some pretty terrible things happen if people with your opinions have their way...
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okieguitarman
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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There is no man on earth who knows what species were here 10's of millions of years ago.
It is all a GUESS of man of what animals were here 10 million years ago and are not here now.
Besides,there are many Bible scholars that say the earth is approx.6000 years old.They would definitely disagree with your statement.
I believe that the earth is much older than 6000 years but no man knows how old it really is.
I'm in the majority of people who do not believe in "global warming" or permanent destruction of the enviorment by man.
I know there are some real problems with toxic chemicals being dumped into streams instead of injection wells[approx.8000 feet deep.]
But this causes an immediate problem with drinking water and the proper PH for fish and other marine life.It has absolutely nothing to do with so called "global warming. |
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theseldomscene
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| Quote: | | It is all a GUESS of man of what animals were here 10 million years ago and are not here now. |
wow...man...you are right...but we know what animals were here 100 years ago...50 years ago...30 years ago...that are not here now...that is no arguement at all....
| Quote: | | But this causes an immediate problem with drinking water and the proper PH for fish and other marine life. |
no insult intended...are you a nutcase?...the ocean is my living...the rivers are my hobby...and taking care of them is my goal...and you statement is insane....i have myself seen thousands of dead fish from one spill...just one...and it was not very big...is that what you think GOD meant by taking dominion over the fishes?..
the turtle river in brunswick ga...better not eat anything out of there east of 95...since a local chemical company poisoned it so bad the dept of natural resources say it will be 150 years before it will be close to harvest from...
lake wylie s.c....my ex father in law completely poisoned that lake...it is not even safe to swim in....fish in it are highly contaminated...we can't do that you say...
the bible as has been shown to you says...GOD will return to destroy those(not the earth) who destroy the earth...you babble we can't do so...you are one that speaks directly against the bible and claims HIS name.....have a nice day...and that sir is no false witness or lie...as your own words have shown...
you say those who wish to stop these things are nature worshipers...i say those that don't are sin sick greedy...congrats... |
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okieguitarman
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | okieguitarman wrote: | | It is all a GUESS of man of what animals were here 10 million years ago and are not here now. |
wow...man...you are right...but we know what animals were here 100 years ago...50 years ago...30 years ago...that are not here now...that is no arguement at all....
But this causes an immediate problem with drinking water and the proper PH for fish and other marine life. |
| theseldomscene wrote: | | no insult intended...are you a nutcase?...the ocean is my living...the rivers are my hobby...and taking care of them is my goal...and you statement is insane....i have myself seen thousands of dead fish from one spill...just one...and it was not very big...is that what you think GOD meant by taking dominion over the fishes?.. |
Do you know how small Lake Wylie is in comparison to all the bodies of water on the earth?
The Dept of Natural Resources in many states do INTENTIONAL fish kills to determine the condition of the body of water for supporting fish populations.
I do not speak directly against the Bible but you continue to bear FALSE WITNESS against others who do not agree with your OPINION.
Do you say that the people who believe the earth is 6000 years old are speaking against the Bible?
You can resort to all the name calling you like if it makes you feel better.
At least someone else is getting a break from the name calling. |
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okieguitarman
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This thread is a waste of my intelligence and time so I'll move on and let you "global warming" people take your best shots at me.
Have fun! |
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theseldomscene
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Do you know how small Lake Wylie is in comparison to all the bodies of water on the earth? |
sure do...do you know how big the great lakes are...and their condition...
| Quote: | | The Dept of Natural Resources in many states do INTENTIONAL fish kills to determine the condition of the body of water for supporting fish populations. |
that has nothing to do with anything i said...
| Quote: | | I do not speak directly against the Bible but you continue to bear FALSE WITNESS against others who do not agree with your OPINION. |
no sir... i have not...now you are lying...the bible is clear...you agrued against it in your pide and continue to do so...now lie and say you didn't and scream false witness at those that show where you did...others have seen it and pointed it out also...your distortion of the facts is very bad..
| Quote: | | Do you say that the people who believe the earth is 6000 years old are speaking against the Bible? |
that has nothing to do with what i said...quit lying...it is nasty...and all is in print...i can point it out..and will if you try this goofiness once more and will point it out over an over after every one of your post...this is the last warning you will get form me on this...
| Quote: | | You can resort to all the name calling you like if it makes you feel better. |
oh you mean names like nature worshippers?...ok...
| Quote: | | At least someone else is getting a break from the name calling. |
cool mister false witness bearer and resister of the truth...glad to know others aren't being insulted by you...now please show where i called you a name in my last post...or know...
you are once again speaking that which is untrue...bearing false witness...if you can't discuss without twisting the words of others...then grow up...watch for my next post... |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| okie wrote: | | The earth worshippers are spreading the lies of the devil... |
| Quote: | | Np wonder you are all CONFUSED |
| Quote: | | You have drank too much of the environmentalists kool-aid and it has clouded your judgement |
| Quote: | | Enviormentalism is another form of Socialism and a FALSE RELIGION. |
| Quote: | | You can resort to all the name calling you like if it makes you feel better |
 uh?...
| Quote: | | ...you continue to bear FALSE WITNESS against others who do not agree with your OPINION |
uh?...
| Quote: | | I have to take a posting at its words |
so here are your own ...
| Quote: | | This thread is a waste of my intelligence |
oh wise one of the aions....
| Quote: | | I'll move on and let you "global warming" people take your best shots at me. |
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P1234567890
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| okieguitarman wrote: | P1234
There is no man on earth who knows what species were here 10's of millions of years ago.
It is all a GUESS of man of what animals were here 10 million years ago and are not here now.
Besides,there are many Bible scholars that say the earth is approx.6000 years old.They would definitely disagree with your statement.
I believe that the earth is much older than 6000 years but no man knows how old it really is.
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Look, Okie, it's becoming more and more obvious that you have no respect for science. All of the science says that global warming is happening. It objectively tells us that we're in a HUGE mass-extinction. It also tells us that the ice caps are melting and that WE are the cause. And incidentally, it also tells us that the Earth is many billions of years old, and not just 6000 years old. You can argue with any of these points if you want to, but by doing so you reject science, and therefore you reject truth.
It's also clear that you're pretty uninformed about all of these environmental issues. You should SERIOUSLY go and watch the documentary in my early posts. If you did, you would have known about ice cores and the evidence for global warming, and you wouldn't be humiliating yourself by saying silly things like "Man isn't destroying the Earth."
We are destroying the Earth / the biosphere / the natural habitats, and there is no denying it. I've posted PICTURES which prove it to you, but you'd rather just deny the truth...
Oh, and just for the record, here is what Wikipedia says about extinction:
| Quote: | | Present day — the Holocene extinction event. A 1998 survey by the American Museum of Natural History found that 70% of biologists view the present era as part of a mass extinction event, the fastest to have ever occurred. Some, such as E. O. Wilson of Harvard University, predict that man's destruction of the biosphere could cause the extinction of one-half of all species in the next 100 years. Research and conservation efforts, such as the IUCN's annual "Red List" of threatened species, all point to an ongoing period of enhanced extinction, though some offer much lower rates and hence longer time scales before the onset of catastrophic damage. The extinction of many megafauna near the end of the most recent ice age is also sometimes considered a part of the Holocene extinction event.[3] |
These are scientists who actually know what they're talking about. What are your credentials?
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P1234567890
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I just read an article warning of the imminent destruction of the world's fishing stocks:
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/11/03/numbers.fish/
The world's commercial fishing stocks will collapse due to fishing by the year 2048. Here are the numbers:
| Quote: | 2048: The estimated date at which stocks of commercial fishing species will collapse due to overfishing. "Biodiversity is a finite resource," says Professor Boris Worm, who led the Dalhousie study. "We can predict when we are going to run out of species."
29: The percentage of seafood species that have collapsed (i.e. their catch has declined by 90 percent or more) in the last 50 years.
13: The percentage decline in global fishing yields since 1994.
145.7: The annual per capita consumption (in lbs) of fish and shellfish in Japan, the world's biggest fish-eating nation. The average per capita consumption in the U.S. is 16.6 lbs.
44,320,395: The weight of fish, in metric tonnes, caught each year by Chinese fishermen.
4.2: The average per capita consumption (in lbs) of shrimp in the U.S.
48: The numbers of marine areas worldwide that are officially protected to prevent over-fishing. These areas have, according to the Dalhousie report, seen "dramatic" improvement in biodiversity and regeneration of fish stocks.
23: The percentage increase in biodiversity witnessed in the protected areas above.
1: The percentage area of the world's oceans that is currently protected against over-fishing.
80 billion: The annual worth, in dollars, of the worldwide fishing industry.
200 million: The number of people worldwide who are dependent on fishing for their livelihood.
1 billion: The number of people worldwide for whom fish is the main source of protein.
64: Number of Large Marine Ecosystems in the world. LMEs are regions of ocean around the coastlines of the world's continents. They account for over 90 percent of the world's fish catch.
1496: The weight, in lbs, of the largest tuna ever caught (a bluefin tuna caught off Nova Scotia in 1979). |
And the world's population will increase by another 3 - 5 billion over the next 50 years or so. Is that going to help or hurt the problem...
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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that my friend was a big tuna!!!...yes over fishing is a bad problem...in the orient the pond raised fish and shrimp are really lowering the numbers of american shrimpers(can't compete with the price)...pond raising fish is a good alternative for the nations that use fish for their main protein source and as a resource to export...it is inexpensive...pound for pound it is a lot less expensive than owning a a fleet of trawlers and going out every day scraping nets across the bottom of the ocean....though the flavor is not quite as good...but it is worth the sacrifice...
plus it will ensure fish will be in the ocean when i wish to go fishing with my rod and reel or cast net....  ... |
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P1234567890
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I have a new least-favorite senator: James Inhofe. He's an evil, evil man.
Here is the Wikipedia article on him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Inhofe
He's a big global-warming denier. But guess what...
| Quote: | | Only Texas senator John Cornyn received more campaign donations from the oil and gas industry in the 2004 election cycle. [15] The contributions Inhofe has received from the energy and natural resource sector since taking office have exceeded one million dollars.[16] |
It seems pretty obvious what is motivating his lies.
I can't believe you guys elect people like this!!!
The other highlight from the Wikipedia article:
| Quote: | | Inhofe outraged some federal employees on the day of the Oklahoma City bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building by stating on national television that there probably weren't very many casualties because federal employees wouldn't be at their desks at 9 a.m. and that they would instead be off having coffee somewhere. The American Federation of Government Employees responded that maybe that was how Inhofe ran his office. |
And you guys thought John Kerry was bad! Oklahoma is Inhofe's home state!
The reason why I looked him up, is that Fox News put out a response to 'An Inconvenient Truth'. Inhofe is one of the 'experts' that Fox News quotes to prove that global warming is "a hoax".
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Oklahoma is Inhofe's home state! |
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P1234567890
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And I just learned that Inhofe is the chairman of the environment and public works committee in the Senate...
How crazy is that?
Apparently he wants the National Science Foundation to stop giving money to climate scientists doing computer simulations. He wants to bring a "more balanced view" to the global warming issue...
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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