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Pondering
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:14 am Post subject: |
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| okieguitarman wrote: |
Man is not destroying the earth!
This thread is just more of the chicken little theory that the sky is falling.
P1234 you have been sold a bill of goods that are WORTHLESS.
The oceans are bigger than man and will purge themselfs.[You ever heard of a thing called moon phases and tides?]
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Do you even understand how large the ice caps are? When they melt (and unless we do something drastic NOW, they will definitely melt), the Oceans get A LOT bigger. Florida is going to be under water! You think that the tides are going to help with this problem?
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30 years ago the same people were preaching the impending ice age.
Now which is it? |
The people warning of an ice age were wrong. The people warning about climate change are right. All of the science backs them up.
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Man is not destroying anything and clear cutting the forest is a good thing as it serves as a fire break.
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And the fact that thousands of species are going extinct every year doesn't bother you?
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You can go on believing this global warming junk if you like but you are wasting your time. |
Okie, there is no debating the science. It is right, and you can't argue with it. It sounds like you simply aren't aware of the scientific arguments which prove that global warming is reality. Or do you just not believe in science?
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P1234567890
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| Pondering wrote: | P#s
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I had to get people to read it somehow!
But I don't think I'm that far off; ecological footprint is an EXCELLENT way of looking at things. One of the problems with all of these environmental issues is that they seem very subjective. Ecological footprint turns it into a science, and that's worth a lot.
When you look at everything in terms of numbers, you can make much better conclusions. For example, ecological footprint immediately gives us the following corollary:
The entire notion of 'developing world' is a farce. Everyone kind of assumes that with enough time, the poorer countries will reach our level of prosperity. Ecological footprint shows that this is impossible; they will NEVER reach our level, especially when you throw population growth into the mix. There simply aren't enough resources on the planet. I find this to be interesting.
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okieguitarman
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="FFT"] | okieguitarman wrote: | | Man is not destroying the earth! |
The evidence speaks volumes to the contrary, but I guess that's never really a problem for fundamentalists.
| okieguitarman wrote: | | The oceans are bigger than man and will purge themselfs.[You ever heard of a thing called moon phases and tides?] |
Okay, we have an assertion. The oceans can purge themselves.
Okay, okie, where are they purging the pollution to?[/quote
Maybe to the Mississippi River and eventually to Memphis,Tenn.
The only volumes to the contrary are made up by man.
Generations come and go but the earth abides FOREVER. |
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theseldomscene
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you see this is one thing that needs to be addressed...for one...yes the earth will abide...it will go on and on....but those living things on it are in deep trouble...and no...you have NO evidence to support your fallicy of this being a 1000 or 5000 year cycle and that was one of the most uninformed remarks i read in a while...
also, there is a such thing as global warming...weare experiencing it...
also men can destroy the earth unless you are calling GOD HIMself a liar!!!...one last thing...
you need to read something...as your remarks on the ozone are nothing more than your own imagination...it is not a natural thing, nor is it supposed to be there nor has it always been nor is it harmless...please don't preach the bible then turn around and say things that are not true...it brings a reproach to the gospel...global warming is a fact...
and make no mistake about it...GOD will judge those that destroy the earth(as men can do it and are doing it)...and your babblings about earth worship was the biggest load of snot that you could have dumped on this thread...and you show you have no understanding of this and just want to spout out nonsense as fast as you can spew it...HE will return and destrouy thos that destroy the earth(which men can do unless...you say the bible is a lie)...so saying "take care of it" is not worship...unless you are saying you worship you family....or your health...or your home...or your car...ect...ect....  |
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okieguitarman
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| theseldomscene wrote: | you see this is one thing that needs to be addressed...for one...yes the earth will abide...it will go on and on....but those living things on it are in deep trouble...and no...you have NO evidence to support your fallicy of this being a 1000 or 5000 year cycle and that was one of the most uninformed remarks i read in a while...
also, there is a such thing as global warming...weare experiencing it...
also men can destroy the earth unless you are calling GOD HIMself a liar!!!...one last thing...
you need to read something...as your remarks on the ozone are nothing more than your own imagination...it is not a natural thing, nor is it supposed to be there nor has it always been nor is it harmless...please don't preach the bible then turn around and say things that are not true...it brings a reproach to the gospel...global warming is a fact...
and make no mistake about it...GOD will judge those that destroy the earth(as men can do it and are doing it)...and your babblings about earth worship was the biggest load of snot that you could have dumped on this thread...and you show you have no understanding of this and just want to spout out nonsense as fast as you can spew it...HE will return and destrouy thos that destroy the earth(which men can do unless...you say the bible is a lie)...so saying "take care of it" is not worship...unless you are saying you worship you family....or your health...or your home...or your car...ect...ect.... |
I stated that there is no one on this earth who knows whether this is a normal 500-1000 year cycle.[Show me someone who is 500-1000 years old on this earth and then I might listen to them]
Man is not destroying the earth but you can continue to believe the lies of the tree huggers and earth worshippers.
SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE WHERE -MAN -IS DESTROYING THE EARTH!!!!!!!!!!! SHOW ME WHERE GOD SAYS THAT MAN IS DESTROYING THE EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DO NOT EVER BEAR FALSE WITNESS AND ACCUSE ME OF SAYING THE BIBLE IS A LIE OR CALLING GOD A LIAR.
The earth worshippers are spreading the lies of the devil so that people focus on the creation instead of the Creator. |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Man is not destroying the earth but you can continue to believe the lies of the tree huggers and earth worshippers. |
and you can continue to show you ignorance of scripture...and slander for those that hold the truth dear...let me guide you oh ye of little knowledge...
| Quote: | | SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE WHERE -MAN -IS DESTROYING THE EARTH!!!!!!!!!!! |
sure...
rev.11:9:16-18 and the four and twenty elders, which sat before GOD on thier seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped GOD, saying, we give THEE THANKS, o LORD GOS ALMIGHTY, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to THEE THY great power, and hast reigned. and the nations were angry, and THY wrath is come, and the time of the dead that they should be judged, and that THOU shouldest give reward unto THY prophets, and to the saints, and to them that fear THY name, small and great; AND SHOULDEST DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH!!!   ...thought you said you read it...
| Quote: | | SHOW ME WHERE GOD SAYS THAT MAN IS DESTROYING THE EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
sure...
2pet.1:21 for the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man; but by the HOLY GHOST.
is24:1,(all future tense) behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and tuereth it upside down and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.vs3 the land shall be utterly emptied and spoiled, for the LORD hath spoken HIS word . vs4the earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth languish.5 the earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, and changed the ordainance, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants are burned(compare to the rev when the sun scorches men and they curse it...an effect of g.w....and the extremely large hail...another effect of g.w....and the ocean like as blood...red tide will and can thrive in a g.w. enviroment(one of the few things that can as a matter of fact) and we are seeing more an more of it...i know...the ocean is my livelihood), and few men left.
| Quote: | | DO NOT EVER BEAR FALSE WITNESS AND ACCUSE ME OF SAYING THE BIBLE IS A LIE OR CALLING GOD A LIAR. |
now you can see i did nothing of the sort...i spoke nothing but the truth...
| Quote: | | The earth worshippers are spreading the lies of the devil so that people focus on the creation instead of the Creator. |
see...you just did it again...
ps...plus there are many more verses to support what you are railing against...and i can show with more where you are wrong...please study before you talk... |
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okieguitarman
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | Quote: | | Man is not destroying the earth but you can continue to believe the lies of the tree huggers and earth worshippers. |
and you can continue to show you ignorance of scripture...and slander for those that hold the truth dear...let me guide you oh ye of little knowledge...
| Quote: | | SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE WHERE -MAN -IS DESTROYING THE EARTH!!!!!!!!!!! |
sure...
rev.11:9:16-18 and the four and twenty elders, which sat before GOD on thier seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped GOD, saying, we give THEE THANKS, o LORD GOS ALMIGHTY, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to THEE THY great power, and hast reigned. and the nations were angry, and THY wrath is come, and the time of the dead that they should be judged, and that THOU shouldest give reward unto THY prophets, and to the saints, and to them that fear THY name, small and great; AND SHOULDEST DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH!!! ...thought you said you read it...
| Quote: | | SHOW ME WHERE GOD SAYS THAT MAN IS DESTROYING THE EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
sure...
2pet.1:21 for the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man; but by the HOLY GHOST.
is24:1,(all future tense) behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and tuereth it upside down and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.vs3 the land shall be utterly emptied and spoiled, for the LORD hath spoken HIS word . vs4the earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth languish.5 the earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, and changed the ordainance, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants are burned(compare to the rev when the sun scorches men and they curse it...an effect of g.w....and the extremely large hail...another effect of g.w....and the ocean like as blood...red tide will and can thrive in a g.w. enviroment(one of the few things that can as a matter of fact) and we are seeing more an more of it...i know...the ocean is my livelihood), and few men left.
| Quote: | | DO NOT EVER BEAR FALSE WITNESS AND ACCUSE ME OF SAYING THE BIBLE IS A LIE OR CALLING GOD A LIAR. |
now you can see i did nothing of the sort...i spoke nothing but the truth...
| Quote: | | The earth worshippers are spreading the lies of the devil so that people focus on the creation instead of the Creator. |
see...you just did it again...
ps...plus there are many more verses to support what you are railing against...and i can show with more where you are wrong...please study before you talk... |
Read your quotes again.They make my very point.IT IS GOD[not man] THAT BRINGS THESE JUDGEMENTS UPON THE EARTH.
God brings destruction and not man.Read all of your quotes again and maybe you will understand them.
Even in your Revelation quote it is God that brings destruction.
You have drank too much of the environmentalists kool-aid and it has clouded your judgement. |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| okie wrote: | | Read your quotes again. |
ok...
| Quote: | | They make my very point |
there is an online site that offers help for those that stuggle with reading problems okie...seek it out......
| okie wrote: | | IT IS GOD[not man] THAT BRINGS THESE JUDGEMENTS UPON THE EARTH. |
actoally it is man that bring judgement upon himself...GOD just passes and carries out the judgement...
| okie dokie wrote: | | God brings destruction and not man.Read all of your quotes again and maybe you will understand them. |
sure... | is. wrote: | | the earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, and changed the ordainance, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate |
| john wrote: | | AND SHOULDEST DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH!!! |
| babbling okie wrote: | | Even in your Revelation quote it is God that brings destruction. |
what part of this statemnt are you struggling with?.... | john wrote: | | AND SHOULDEST DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH!!! .. |
| okie the uninformed insulter wrote: | | You have drank too much of the environmentalists kool-aid and it has clouded your judgement. |
no sir...but you have just shown you have a reading comprehension problem...and you have no clue of what you are talking about...thanks for playing...
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| and okie goes on and on and on.... |
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FFT
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| okieguitarman wrote: | | Maybe to the Mississippi River and eventually to Memphis,Tenn. |
The oceans. Are purging their pollution. Upstream a river. Yes, I know you're just kidding, but the question remains. If the oceans are purging themselves, where is the pollution going? Can you answer, or are you simply making things up?
| okieguitarman wrote: | | The only volumes to the contrary are made up by man. |
Okay so Australians can't step outside without massive amounts of sunblock due to the ozone hole over Australia, but somebody just made that up. Millions of animals have died in oil spills, but somebody just made that up. The atmosphere keeps getting less and less savory, but somebody just made that up.
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okieguitarman
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | okie wrote: | | Read your quotes again. |
ok...
| Quote: | | They make my very point |
there is an online site that offers help for those that stuggle with reading problems okie...seek it out......
| okie wrote: | | IT IS GOD[not man] THAT BRINGS THESE JUDGEMENTS UPON THE EARTH. |
actoally it is man that bring judgement upon himself...GOD just passes and carries out the judgement...
| okie dokie wrote: | | God brings destruction and not man.Read all of your quotes again and maybe you will understand them. |
sure... | is. wrote: | | the earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, and changed the ordainance, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate |
| john wrote: | | AND SHOULDEST DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH!!! |
| babbling okie wrote: | | Even in your Revelation quote it is God that brings destruction. |
what part of this statemnt are you struggling with?.... | john wrote: | | AND SHOULDEST DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH!!! .. |
| okie the uninformed insulter wrote: | | You have drank too much of the environmentalists kool-aid and it has clouded your judgement. |
no sir...but you have just shown you have a reading comprehension problem...and you have no clue of what you are talking about...thanks for playing... |
Thank you for all the nice compliments on this thread. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| okieguitarman wrote: |
I stated that there is no one on this earth who knows whether this is a normal 500-1000 year cycle.[Show me someone who is 500-1000 years old on this earth and then I might listen to them]
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What kind of nonsense is this? You might as well say that there is nobody on this Earth who saw the Egyptians build the pyramids, so the pyramids don't exist.
WE HAVE ICE CORE SAMPLES DATING BACK 600,000 YEARS! When we analyze the bubbles in them, we find out EXACTLY what the atmospheric gas ratios were at any moment during that span. This tells us EXACTLY how much CO2 there was in the atmosphere at any given time, and when we compare it to the CURRENT CO2 concentrations, they are much higher than they have been at ANY point in the last 600,000 years. Therefore it is NOT a normal, natural cycle.
What are you not understanding about this?
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Man is not destroying the earth but you can continue to believe the lies of the tree huggers and earth worshippers.
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When we see pictures of the Amazon rain forest being burned down, those are just tree-huggers staging photo-ops?
Or how about this one... Here is the Larsen ice shelf in Antarctica on Jan 31st, 2002:
Here it is on March 5th, 2002:
In a matter of just a few months, it melted! It had been there for thousands of years, but now it's gone. And just so you know, this is a HUGE piece of ice. It is considerably larger than Rhode Island. You seriously think this never happened and that it's just the product of some tree-hugger's photoshopping efforts?
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SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE WHERE -MAN -IS DESTROYING THE EARTH!!!!!!!!!!! SHOW ME WHERE GOD SAYS THAT MAN IS DESTROYING THE EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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As TSS pointed out to you, there are plenty of places, but I don't know how you could possibly use this as an argument. You seem to think that if it's not in the Bible, then it's not true. There are no computers in the Bible, but you're looking at one right now. So the fact that the Bible says nothing specific about oil spills, rainforest destruction, global warming, and the ozone layer being destroyed is a completely irrelevant point.
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DO NOT EVER BEAR FALSE WITNESS AND ACCUSE ME OF SAYING THE BIBLE IS A LIE OR CALLING GOD A LIAR. |
This is EXACTLY what you are doing. Humanity IS destroying the planet, and anyone who denies this (which includes YOU) is spurning the truth. I just hope for your sake that you don't have children, because they're going to live on a much worse planet than you grew up on, and when they ask why people were so stupid and destroyed the planet, you're going to have to explain to them that it was made possible by people just like you who not only didn't do anything, but actively denied that there was a problem!
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P1234567890
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Here's another good one... This is Lake Chad. Because of global warming, it has been steadily evaporating. It used to be one of the world's biggest lakes. Now it's almost gone. Do you think that suddenly having no water is going to improve the lives of all the Africans living around there?
I suppose this is another tree-hugger lie...
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Pondering
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| Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:28 am Post subject: |
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P#s...the Great Salt Lake...used to just be the Great Lake a few million years ago...
My point, we won't destroy the Earth...we may be destroying our own habitat, that leads to our own extinction, but the Earth will self-regulate just as it has done for millions of years....
If we adapt to the changes fast enough, we survive as a species...if not, then cockroaches will inherit the Earth 
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