The Identity of the 144,000

Zathrus · Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:19 am Post subject: The Identity of the 144,000

I thought I'd share some exciting thoughts on the 144,000 spoken of in Revelation. This is the description of the 144,000 in Rev 7:

"14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Compare that with this description in Rev 22, commonly accepted as being of we believers in our eternal state:

"3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

And this passage from Rev 21:

"3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

Note Rev 22:4 which I quoted above.

Zathrus · Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:39 am Post subject:

And it gets better yet!

The figure 144,000 relates to the description of the New Jerusalem in chapter 21. It is described as being "foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal."
A cube 12,000 furlongs on a side. The area of one face would be 144,000,000 square furlongs.

This city is identified plainly in Rev 21 when the angel said to John "Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife." He then showed him the New Jerusalem. We all pretty much agree on who the bride of Christ is, right? Sorry, dispensationalists, the New Jerusalem is not a literal city that will orbit the earth in space.

The bride of Christ is depicted as a city because Jerusalem in Israel was where the temple was in the old testament, and the temple is where the presence of God Himself dwelt. Now look what He says in Revelation 21:

eyeopener · Goldfish Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 57

"14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

nothing can be washed in blood and come out white...dont worship what you dont understand

Zathrus · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:35 am Post subject: Re: The Identity of the 144,000

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

AMEN AND AMEN AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!....

Yehushuan · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:14 am Post subject:

Zathrus, your presumption, of course, is that there is only one group of 144,000. Why not two?

Yehu

(BTW check the Greek. I am not a woman.)
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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

there is just one...

Zathrus · Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject:

Yehushuan · Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject:

I’d like to encourage you to look further Zathrus. In the Greek, one these groups is all female. Their purpose, their composition and their actions all indicate two separate groups. (I have a more detailed post about this somewhere, if I can only find it. Rolling Eyes

)

Yehu
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John R Nolan · Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:53 am Post subject: 144,000

It's pretty simple really, it is 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel, Rev.7:4; who will hear the preaching of the two prophets of Rev.11:3-12 and will serve the Bridegroom and His gentile bride in Paradise

Zathrus · Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:29 am Post subject:

John R Nolan · Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: BRIDE of Christ

Bride denotes female; His bride are part of Him, and, in the next dimension, there is neither male nor female, thus we are one in Him, but are described in the feminine, collectively, to fit into the typing. As Adam had his bride removed from his side, so too Christ had His bride removed from His side, we are a part of Him,and it is we, Christians, male and female, for whom He paid the price and comes to claim, to redeem

lone-traveler · Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject:

That passage in revelation 7 sounds very familiar. Like when the children of Israel were wandering in the desert for forty years. And God himself went with them. And in the day he was a cloud and in the night he was a fire and they had no need of the sun or moon because God himself did lead them.

They didn't thirst he gave them water from the rock, they didn't hunger he sent them manner fom heaven. And he ruled with justice and mercy upon the mercy seat within the ark of the covenant which was within the congregation of his people....

and God was in the midst of them...

These are those who were redeemed from egypt after God had sent the passover to punish Pharoah and his kingdom.

And God had caused all the waters and the rivers and the nile to be turned to blood....the blood of the lamb...the red sea. They washed their robes in the blood of the lamb and came out white as snow.

prophecy fortold from the foundation of the world.....
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Silver Surfer · Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: The Identity of the 144,000

sofyst · Tiger Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 830 Location: Tejas

Strange, I haven't read ANYWHERE within the book of Revelation that says ANYTHING about 'seventh day adventist'...

Perhaps it is because I don't have the altered 'translation' that the Adventist use...