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lone-traveler
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Help...
2Ki 17:19 Also Judah kept not the commandments of the LORD their God, but walked in the statutes of Israel which they made.
now how do we know the difference between the laws God gave to Judah and the stautes that Israel made for themselves????
I think their all intermingled... 
wheat and tares huh?
That's like when Esther created the holy day of purim..that wasn't one of the originals was it? isn't that a manmade holy day?
Est 9:26 Wherefore they called these days Purim after the name of Pur. Therefore for all the words of this letter, and [of that] which they had seen concerning this matter, and which had come unto them,
Est 9:28 And [that] these days [should be] remembered and kept throughout every generation, every family, every province, and every city; and [that] these days of Purim should not fail from among the Jews, nor the memorial of them perish from their seed.
Est 9:29 Then Esther the queen, the daughter of Abihail, and Mordecai the Jew, wrote with all authority, to confirm this second letter of Purim.
Est 9:31 To confirm these days of Purim in their times [appointed], according as Mordecai the Jew and Esther the queen had enjoined them, and as they had decreed for themselves and for their seed, the matters of the fastings and their cry.
Est 9:32 And the decree of Esther confirmed these matters of Purim; and it was written in the book.
see what I mean?
How do we know what God's commandments are verses man's commandments...?
Where if we keep the two we can't go wrong... 
Because all the laws are summed up in them. And as long as we love God and eachother then we don't need the law to be good, we are good. Because we are doing what is pleasing in his sight...
Hod gave the sabbath to man so that we could rest from our labours. We're supposed to give our neighbours and our employees, the same gift of rest to eachother.
We're not supposed to expect everyone to work seven days a week just for them to build us our castles. They deserve a rest just like everyone else.
Pharaoh gave the people no rest. God took the people away from Pharaoh and gave them rest. We are to show eachother the same respect...
don't lord over people pushing them over the limit..give them a break...
that's showing love and mercy to eachother...
That's what I believe the principle of the sabbath is..
That as God gave us rest from our labour we aught to give others rest from theirs...That way we are doing God's work as he did for us...
pass it forward.... 
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Luvnlife
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Lone: | Quote: | God gave the sabbath to man so that we could rest from our labours. We're supposed to give our neighbours and our employees, the same gift of rest to eachother.
We're not supposed to expect everyone to work seven days a week just for them to build us our castles. They deserve a rest just like everyone else.
Pharaoh gave the people no rest. God took the people away from Pharaoh and gave them rest. We are to show eachother the same respect...
don't lord over people pushing them over the limit..give them a break...
that's showing love and mercy to eachother...
That's what I believe the principle of the sabbath is..
That as God gave us rest from our labour we aught to give others rest from theirs...That way we are doing God's work as he did for us... |
Beautifully put, Lone! I don't think going to church on the Sabbath is breaking the Sabbath. I don't see it as a chore, I see it as something I look forward to. If you go to church and see it as work or a burden, you are going for the wrong reasons.
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Silver Surfer
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| luvnlife wrote: | I have read your responses in other threads. But your response brings up two more questions:
1) Isn't Sunday worship (since Sunday is the sabbath to most religions) a good way to 'keep the sabbath holy?' |
HONOR SUNDAY.....HONOR ROME
To complete the sacrilegious work, Rome presumed to expunge from the law of God the second commandment, forbidding image worship, and to divide the tenth commandment, in order to preserve the number.
The spirit of concession to paganism opened the way for a still further disregard of Heaven's authority. Satan, working through unconsecrated leaders of the church, tampered with the fourth commandment also, and essayed to set aside the ancient Sabbath, the day which God had blessed and sanctified (Genesis 2:2, 3), and in its stead to exalt the festival observed by the heathen as "the venerable day of the sun."
This change was not at first attempted openly.
In the first centuries the true Sabbath had been kept by all Christians....as Jesus said: IF..you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15).
They were jealous for the honor of God, and, believing that His law is unchangable, they zealously guarded the sacredness of its precepts.
But with great subtlety Satan worked through his agents to bring about his objective, as Daniel 7:25 Says: 'Think to change times and Laws'.
That the attention of the people might be called to the Sunday, it was made a festival in honor of the resurrection of Christ, of which there is no command from God, to do so.
Religious services were held upon it; yet it was regarded as a day of recreation, the Sabbath being still sacredly observed.
To prepare the way for the work which he designed to accomplish, Satan had led the Jews, before the advent of Christ, to load down the Sabbath with the most rigorous exactions, making its observance a burden.
Now, taking advantage of the false light in which he had thus caused it to be regarded, he cast contempt upon it as a Jewish institution (Which the Bible never claims).
While Christians generally continued to observe the Sunday as a joyous festival, he led them, in order to show their hatred of Judaism, to make the Sabbath a fast, a day of sadness and gloom.
In the early part of the fourth century the emperor Constantine issued a decree making Sunday a public festival throughout the Roman Empire.
The day of the sun was reverenced by his pagan subjects and was honored by Christians; it was the emperor's policy to unite the conflicting interests of heathenism and Christianity.
He was urged to do this by the bishops of the church, who, inspired by ambition and thirst for power, perceived that if the same day was observed by both Christians and heathen, it would promote the nominal acceptance of Christianity by pagans and thus advance the power and glory of the church.
But while many God-fearing Christians were gradually led to regard Sunday as possessing a degree of sacredness, they still held the true Sabbath as the holy of the Lord and observed it in obedience to the fourth commandment....as Jesus Christ said to do....LUKE 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say ?
The archdeceiver had not completed his work.
He was resolved to gather the Christian world under his banner and to exercise his power through his vicegerent, the proud pontiff who claimed to be the representative of Christ. Through half-converted pagans, ambitious prelates, and world-loving churchmen he accomplished his purpose.
Vast councils were held from time to time, in which the dignitaries of the church were convened from all the world. In nearly every council the Sabbath which God had instituted was pressed down a little lower, while the Sunday was correspondingly exalted.
Thus the pagan festival came finally to be honored as a divine institution, while the Bible Sabbath was pronounced a relic of Judaism, and its observers were declared to be accursed. The great apostate had succeeded in exalting himself "above all that is called God, or that is worshiped." 2 Thessalonians 2:4.
He had dared to change (Daniel 7:25) the only precept of the divine law that unmistakably points all mankind to the true and living God. In the fourth commandment, God is revealed as the Creator of the heavens and the earth, and is thereby distinguished from all false gods. It was as a memorial of the work of creation that the seventh day was sanctified as a rest day for man. It was designed to keep the living God ever before the minds of men as the source of being and the object of reverence and worship.
Satan strives to turn men from their allegiance to God (Adam & Eve, ect...), and from rendering obedience to His law; therefore he directs his efforts especially against that commandment which points to God as the Creator. Protestants now urge that the resurrection of Christ on Sunday made it the Christian Sabbath.
But Scripture evidence is lacking.
No such honor was given to the day by Christ or His apostles.
The observance of Sunday as a Christian institution had its origin in that "mystery of lawlessness" (2 Thessalonians 2:7, R.V.) which, even in Paul's day, had begun its work.
Where and when did the Lord adopt this child of the papacy?
What valid reason can be given for a change which the Scriptures do not sanction?
DOCUMENTATION:
"Protestants accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship 'after' the Catholic Church made the change .....BUT the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that....in observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope", ('Our Sunday Visitor', February 5, 1950).
Romans 6:16 "know you not, that to whom ye yield yourselves to obey, his servants you are, to whom you obey, whether of sin unto death, or ...of Obedience unto Righteousness ?
"Sunday is a Catholic insitution,and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles....From the beginning of scripture to the end (Genesis-Revelation) there is not one single passage that warrants the transfer of public worship from the 7th day of the week, to the 1st day of the week", ('Catholic Press', Sydney, Autralia, August, 1900).
"IF Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day.
In keeping the Sunday they are following a Law of the Catholic Church" (Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920).
"The Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, unfallable authority given her by her founder, Jesus Christ.
The Protestant claiming the Bible to be their only guide to faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter, the Seventh-Day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant", ("The Catholic Universe Bulletin', August 14, 1942).
"It was the Catholic church which by the authority of Jesus Christ, has transferred this rest (from the Bible Sabbath) to Sunday....Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protesant is in homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic Church", (Monsignor Louis Segur, 'Plain Talk about the Protestant of Today', Page 213).
Bible Says.....Lord's Day is ....the 7th Day Sabbath (Saturday)
(Exodus 20:8-11....Isaiah 58:13,14....Ezekiel 20:12,20.....Mark 2:28)
2) Many people consider going to church restful. It is not work to go to church. Do you consider going to church and worshipping God as work?
Thanks,
Much Luv :?[/quote]
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lone-traveler
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the 144,000 are the 12,000 from each tribe that John baptised.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | | the 144,000 are the 12,000 from each tribe that John baptised. |
And how does that apply to the 144,000 living in the last days of earth's history ?
And remember that the 144,000 have the "Everlasting Gospel", as found in Revelation 14....which tells of God's Judgment Day, that has already started.
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lone-traveler
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John preached the end of the world.
Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand...
that was the good news..
and they justified God being baptised by John.
Luk 7:27 This is [he], of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Luk 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
Luk 7:29 And all the people that heard [him], and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
Luk 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
Rev 14:1 ¶ And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
Rev 14:6 ¶ And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. (Peter)
Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. (Paul)
Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Jesus is the lamb...those that were baptised by John are the 144,000....14:1
Jesus baptised none.
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Zathrus
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Brother Surfer, since this thread is now more about your Adventist doctrine than about the 144,000, let me ask you this:
In teaching the doctrine of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salvas (No salvation apart from the church) are the Adventists not paying homage to the Cathloic Church?
In teaching that salvation is obtained by faith and works and not by faith in Christ alone, are Adventists not accepting the authority of the pope?
In teaching and emphasizing an earthly sabbath day and not so much as mentioning God's true spiritual Sabbath rest, are Adventists not pressing the true Sabbath which God instituted down and exalting their earthly sabbath day as the Catholics do?
The core issue of the Protestant reformation was not the day on which the Sabbath was observed. It was savation by faith apart from works. Thus it can be seen that Adventists are not the only consistent Protestants, in fact they are not Protestants at all.
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Brother Zathrus you are reading far too much into the words of the silver surfer and he can defend himself well enough. But here I will come along side him and offer some covering fire so to speak.
The RCC is an unregenerated human organization. Not inhabited by the Holy Spirit even from its inception. There have been lies, lies and more lies coming from its mouthpiece the Pope (whose title comes from the Ceasar not scripture.)
There never was salvation from the RCC regardless of their many claims. Salvation from God unmediated.
Whatever "binding and loosing" power is from their military armies and political hegemony not any spiritual authority they may hold.
If our very own Silver Surfer thinks that he wants to hold worship on Saturday that is fine by me. It has no hold on me.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:33 am Post subject: |
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Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Jhn 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Jesus believed John.....Jesus had faith in John's word.
Jesus was baptised of John.
I believe John is the Father. and Jesus is the Son.
And Jesus spoke the words John gave him to speak.
John was a witness of Jesus.
John laid down his life/ministry for Jesus to take it up again.
We are born again with the baptism of water and spirit.
The baptism of John and the faith of Jesus.
baptism for the remission of sins...but they didn't listen to the council of God...they didn't believe him.
So God gave them up to a reprobate mind, to do those things which were no convienent..
The lust of the flesh.....eat.. drink...and be merry..for tomorrow we shall die...
all they had to do was wash...and believe.... 
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Zathrus
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| dim12trav wrote: | | Brother Zathrus you are reading far too much into the words of the silver surfer and he can defend himself well enough. |
How so? By "reading [something] into [his] words" I understand you to mean you think I ascribe some credibility to them. The only credibility I ascribe to them is that his opinions represent Adventist teaching.
| dim12trav wrote: | The RCC is an unregenerated human organization. Not inhabited by the Holy Spirit even from its inception. There have been lies, lies and more lies coming from its mouthpiece the Pope (whose title comes from the Ceasar not scripture.)
There never was salvation from the RCC regardless of their many claims. Salvation from God unmediated.
Whatever "binding and loosing" power is from their military armies and political hegemony not any spiritual authority they may hold. |
I was not going to go quite so far. In fact I hadn't considered the things you mention above. But yes, except for your reference to military armies and political hegemony, I see the further similarities between the things you point out and Adventism.
| dim12trav wrote: | | If our very own Silver Surfer thinks that he wants to hold worship on Saturday that is fine by me. It has no hold on me. |
Agreed. But there is no grounds for the claim that those who do not worship on Saturday are departing from God's ways and in danger of the judgement. Nor is there grounds for claiming that only one religious organization, and one that is "an unregenerate human organization, not inhabited by the Holy Spirit from its inception" at that is the 144,000 written about in Revelation.
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Silver Surfer
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| Zathrus wrote: | Brother Surfer, since this thread is now more about your Adventist doctrine than about the 144,000, let me ask you this:
In teaching the doctrine of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salvas (No salvation apart from the church) are the Adventists not paying homage to the Cathloic Church? |
Since the Bible predicted that Sunday worship services would come from the Catholic church, then how could SDA's pay homage to the RCC, then ?
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In teaching that salvation is obtained by faith and works and not by faith in Christ alone, are Adventists not accepting the authority of the pope? |
SDA's have taught that it is faith, in Jesus Christ alone, that produces the works God approves of.
How do you think SDA are able to keep the commandments of God, in their own human strenght ?
NO WAY !
It is thru GRACE, God's power to obey......
Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
1:6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
| Quote: | In teaching and emphasizing an earthly sabbath day and not so much as mentioning God's true spiritual Sabbath rest,
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Christ's 'Sermon on the Mount' shows that to keep the physical aspects of the Law, one must involve the spiritual aspects of the Law, as the spiritual and the physical CANNOT be seperated.
| Quote: | are Adventists not pressing the true Sabbath which God instituted down and exalting their earthly sabbath day as the Catholics do?
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Christians, are to uphold the Law of God......
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
The RCC has replaced the Law of God with their own, which the Christian world at large accepts.
Where do you think Sunday worship services came from ?
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The core issue of the Protestant reformation was not the day on which the Sabbath was observed. |
You think that the Reformation ever stopped ?
The Bible predicts that Christians are to restore the Lord's Day, the 7th day sabbath in the last days of earth's history.
| Quote: | | It was savation by faith apart from works. |
You really ought to study your Bible !!!
If there is no works, there is no faith....
2:14 What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be [ye] warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what [doth it] profit?
2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works. 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? | Quote: |
Thus it can be seen that Adventists are not the only consistent Protestants, in fact they are not Protestants at all. |
SDA's protest against Sunday worship services, that the Catholic church established.
SDA church also protests against the eternally-burning HellFire doctrine that the Catholic church invented, as well as the Rapture theory, which the Cathoic church also invented....ect....ect....ect..ect.
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Zathrus
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Now brother Surfer, please let's not get antagonistic. I just asked a few questions, that's all.
| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Since the Bible predicted that Sunday worship services would come from the Catholic church, then how could SDA's pay homage to the RCC, then ? |
This is not answering my question. I'm still awaiting your explanation for why Adventist and Catholic doctrine holds so many striking similarities.
| Silver Surfer wrote: | | How do you think SDA are able to keep the commandments of God, in their own human strenght ? |
This question implies that SDA's do in fact keep what they consider to be the commandments of God. I see no evidence of that.
| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Christ's 'Sermon on the Mount' shows that to keep the physical aspects of the Law, one must involve the spiritual aspects of the Law, as the spiritual and the physical CANNOT be seperated. |
Christ's sermon on the Mount did not deal with the spiritual meanings of the law at all. There is nothing spiritual about fantasizing about sex with another person. Nor is there anything spiritual about wishing that another person were dead. These are quite earthly, natural thoughts.
And on the subject of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, while you and your Adventist friends are quick to point out that Jesus quotes the commendments against adultery and against murder, and conclude that the 10 commandments is the only law that Jesus recognizes, you fail to acknowlege that Jesus also quoted the following in Matt 5:
| Quote: | | 33Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: |
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| Quote: | | 38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: |
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| Quote: | | 43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. |
These commandments are not found in the 10 commandments. Therefore, if you would teach that the laws which Jesus taught on in the Sermon on the Mount are ones which must be obeyed to be saved, you must acknowlege that the laws which it is necessary to keep are not restricted to the 10 commandments, but in fact include all the laws given by God to Israel in the old testament.
| Silver Surfer wrote: | | The RCC has replaced the Law of God with their own... |
I see another striking similarity to Adventism here.
| Silver Surfer wrote: | | The Bible predicts that Christians are to restore the Lord's Day, the 7th day sabbath in the last days of earth's history. |
Actually what the Bible contains is eschatological predictions that the church would partake of God's true Sabbath rest. For we who believe, these have come to pass.
| Silver Surfer wrote: | SDA's protest against Sunday worship services, that the Catholic church established.
SDA church also protests against the eternally-burning HellFire doctrine that the Catholic church invented, as well as the Rapture theory, which the Cathoic church also invented....ect....ect....ect..ect. |
Oh, I never said you Adventists didn't have your little differences of opinion with the Catholics. But clearly you have come up with a system of religion that closely parallels theirs.
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blasted arminianism!!!....  |
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Silver Surfer
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| Zathrus wrote: | | This is not answering my question. I'm still awaiting your explanation for why Adventist and Catholic doctrine holds so many striking similarities. |
There is no similarities, in the least.
That is why God shows in the Bible the contrast between them.
SDA have Biblical doctrines.
The Catholic church has man-made doctrines.
| Quote: | | This question implies that SDA's do in fact keep what they consider to be the commandments of God. I see no evidence of that. |
That's because you haven't read the whole Bible, that's all.
Here is God's description, of the SDA church......
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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Zathrus
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Joined: 28 Aug 2002
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Location: WI USA
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Surfer, have you only read my first two points and then stopped? You need to at least read my comments on the Sermon on the Mount.
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Establishing the law by receiving the righteousness which is by faith, without the deeds of the law!
2 Cor 3 "11For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."
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