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theseldomscene
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John R Nolan
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Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Location: Elimbah, Qld. Australia
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:28 am Post subject: Confused genders |
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| I believe Galations 3:28 explains it better than I or any other man ever could |
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John R Nolan
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Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Location: Elimbah, Qld. Australia
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| dim12trav wrote: | If, Mr. Nolan you are a Christian, then you are part of the Bride of Christ. How many men are there who claim to be brides?
So since you are a woman in that marriage get to dressing like a woman sir! Prepare for the consummation of that wedding vow when Christ does it to us.
Or maybe you just don't want to get married to Christ, fine then but there is no other option to making it into heaven. |
I believe Gal.3:28 explains it better than I or any other man ever could
If I am a Christian?
That is a rather interesting comment and the writer's authority to question that is itself questionable, GOD is the only Judge of that, not you, my friend
The logic used in your justification for the support of unnatural, perverse, hybridized sexuality is clever but cannot be supported by any Scripture, nor can God's condemnation of it be removed from the Word
Deut.22:5 "The woman shall NOT wear that which pertaineth {"belong as part, appendage or accessory, to; be appropriate, have reference, relate to," Oxford dictionary}, unto a man; NEITHER shall a man put on a woman's garment; for all that do so are ABOMINATION unto the LORD"
This succinctly shows those who do not condone such activity nor practise such are more in context with God's Word than those who chose to partake of such sorry practises
Whether the writer of the humourless attack on personal beliefs of others is one who practises such perversity is a Christian is questionable, something to do with works, but that is betwixt them and God
As for the petulant crudities, you, sir, madam or it, have displayed only the sorry state of your moral and mental condition
See you at the white throne |
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45degreeN
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Joined: 02 Aug 2005
Posts: 2318
Location: Salem Oregon
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:55 am Post subject: |
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I doubt if you will see me at the white throne judgment don't bother looking for me there. My sins have been covered by the blood of Christ.
I will be elsewhere, guess if you want. |
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John R Nolan
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Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Location: Elimbah, Qld. Australia
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: CROSS dressing |
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That translates into a trip to the CROSS to dress oneself in the righteousness of Jesus CHist and, quite honestly, I really have nothing further to say on this demonic perversity
Again, read Deut. re men putting on women's clothing and women putting on clothing that pertains to a man and, if possible, work it out yourself |
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summertime
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Joined: 21 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:08 am Post subject: Re: CROSS dressing |
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| John R Nolan wrote: | That translates into a trip to the CROSS to dress oneself in the righteousness of Jesus CHist and, quite honestly, I really have nothing further to say on this demonic perversity
Again, read Deut. re men putting on women's clothing and women putting on clothing that pertains to a man and, if possible, work it out yourself |
It is hard to believe, or is it, that people still think that God is concerned about the outwardness of a human's clothing when it has no bearing at all on what really matters to God: the heart. OT law no longer applies for those of the christian faith. At least, not to those who believe it doesn't. Seafood was called an abomination too. Albeit, an abomination to the Jews, not anyone else. However, it was such for a reason, just as the crossdressing was so for a reason that pertained to specific things that went on back then. Think about it, if someone wants to finger point to a bible text to justify a stance (ie. crossdressing as an abomination), one should also point to I Samuel 16:7 which implies that the outward appearance is a concern of humans, not the concern of God as perceived in the bible. Clothes were made by humans who designated which should be for male and which for females. You also have cultures where men where clothes that resemble dresses. Even today, women wear pants when at one time, it was considered a man's clothing. Think deeper, please. |
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KennethL
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Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: CROSS dressing |
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| summertime wrote: | | Clothes were made by humans who designated which should be for male and which for females. You also have cultures where men where clothes that resemble dresses. Even today, women wear pants when at one time, it was considered a man's clothing. Think deeper, please. |
Transgenderism goes deeper than clothing. The transgendered person rejects God’s ordained gender role for themselves and seeks to usurp the opposite gender role and thereby sins. |
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summertime
Fierce Poodle
Joined: 21 Aug 2003
Posts: 291
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: Re: CROSS dressing |
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| KennethL wrote: | | summertime wrote: | | Clothes were made by humans who designated which should be for male and which for females. You also have cultures where men where clothes that resemble dresses. Even today, women wear pants when at one time, it was considered a man's clothing. Think deeper, please. |
Transgenderism goes deeper than clothing. The transgendered person rejects God’s ordained gender role for themselves and seeks to usurp the opposite gender role and thereby sins. |
Can you explain that further? I would like you to just to hear it. Not because I'm in agreement with you. Besides, Christ's death has taken care of the sins of the world. In the end, all will be reconciled to God because of what Christ did. God has saved everyone already. Because of what has been taught to us, some of us don't realize that yet. Gender roles? Males exhibit feminine traits. Females exhibit male traits. Neither trait is exclusive to either gender. |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
Posts: 4189
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:42 am Post subject: Re: CROSS dressing |
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| summertime wrote: | ...
It is hard to believe, or is it, that people still think that God is concerned about the outwardness of a human's clothing when it has no bearing at all on what really matters to God: the heart. ...
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Hi Summertime,
Well said.
I also love your signature:
"There is a way to speak to people without being rude. An in person conversation is preferable because one can hear the tone in another's voice. Online discussions via texts can be misconstrued. So, please know that my goal is only to be as friendly as I can be while trying to get my point across."
Excellent! That's my goal too.
Question:
Do you love yourself as your own worse enemy so that if you were ever construed as unfriendly or as an enemy, you wd be able, with Love for yourself and the misconstruer, to deal with that wrong but honest misconstruction?
Question:
If it is wrong for straights to hate or disrespect transgenders,
is it also wrong for transgenders to hate those who hate transgenders?
In Love and Respect,
atoz |
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summertime
Fierce Poodle
Joined: 21 Aug 2003
Posts: 291
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: CROSS dressing |
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| atoz wrote: |
| Quote: | Question:
Do you love yourself as your own worse enemy so that if you were ever construed as unfriendly or as an enemy, you wd be able, with Love for yourself and the misconstruer, to deal with that wrong but honest misconstruction? |
LOL. You may have to ask that one again...in a different way (smile)
| Quote: | Question:
If it is wrong for straights to hate or disrespect transgenders,
is it also wrong for transgenders to hate those who hate transgenders? |
It is wrong to hate, period. So, yes, I would find it wrong. I understand why people do hate, but it is still wrong. Though, there at times that I do not understand why people hate. Even so, hate for what should not be hated is wrong to me. If someone is going to hate, let them hate injustices and things of that nature.
atoz |
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KennethL
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Joined: 11 Jul 2007
Posts: 6
Location: Australia
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: CROSS dressing |
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| summertime wrote: | | KennethL wrote: | | summertime wrote: | | Clothes were made by humans who designated which should be for male and which for females. You also have cultures where men where clothes that resemble dresses. Even today, women wear pants when at one time, it was considered a man's clothing. Think deeper, please. |
Transgenderism goes deeper than clothing. The transgendered person rejects God’s ordained gender role for themselves and seeks to usurp the opposite gender role and thereby sins. |
Can you explain that further? I would like you to just to hear it. Not because I'm in agreement with you. Besides, Christ's death has taken care of the sins of the world. In the end, all will be reconciled to God because of what Christ did. God has saved everyone already. Because of what has been taught to us, some of us don't realize that yet. Gender roles? Males exhibit feminine traits. Females exhibit male traits. Neither trait is exclusive to either gender. |
So then shall we sin so that Grace will abound?
There is a marked difference between socially defined gender "traits" on the one hand, and a person who seeks to live and be recognized as the opposite gender on the other hand.
What do you mean by "christ has saved *everyone*"? |
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summertime
Fierce Poodle
Joined: 21 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: CROSS dressing |
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| KennethL wrote: |
So then shall we sin so that Grace will abound?
There is a marked difference between socially defined gender "traits" on the one hand, and a person who seeks to live and be recognized as the opposite gender on the other hand.
What do you mean by "christ has saved *everyone*"? |
You are too focused on the outward appearance (ie. males and females). God, as I know "him", does not look on the outward appearance as humans generally do...When I say Christ has saved everyone, I mean just that. He did not die for the sins of some, but is the saviour of all men (ie. humanity) because of what he did. |
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KennethL
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Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: CROSS dressing |
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| summertime wrote: |
1. You are too focused on the outward appearance (ie. males and females).
2. When I say Christ has saved everyone, I mean just that. He did not die for the sins of some, but is the saviour of all men (ie. humanity) because of what he did. |
1. God created us male and female and designated specific gender roles for each.
2. Do you mean by this that even those who choose to reject Christ in this life will also be saved? |
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summertime
Fierce Poodle
Joined: 21 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:04 am Post subject: Re: CROSS dressing |
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| KennethL wrote: | | summertime wrote: |
1. You are too focused on the outward appearance (ie. males and females).
2. When I say Christ has saved everyone, I mean just that. He did not die for the sins of some, but is the saviour of all men (ie. humanity) because of what he did. |
1. God created us male and female and designated specific gender roles for each.
2. Do you mean by this that even those who choose to reject Christ in this life will also be saved? |
Response to 1. - I believe God created us male and female. As to the designated gender roles, what are they?
Response to 2. - Everyone will not reject Christ if all are to be reconciled to Christ in the end. Everyone means everyone (smile) |
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KennethL
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Joined: 11 Jul 2007
Posts: 6
Location: Australia
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| Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: CROSS dressing |
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| summertime wrote: |
1. - I believe God created us male and female. As to the designated gender roles, what are they?
2. - Everyone will not reject Christ if all are to be reconciled to Christ in the end. Everyone means everyone (smile)
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1. The God ordained gender roles are easily found in scripture. Try a concordance and if you are still having trouble let me know and I will provide some references.
2. I am not suprised that this is your interpretation. Those who call themselves Christan and who are living in sin tend to take a universalist view of salvation. Where in scripture do you believe that *everyone* will be reconciled to Christ in the end? |
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