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RevJP
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| The problem Evee is that there is NOTHING in the texts to indicate that the meaning of the texts means anything different than what it states. |
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zadok17
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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What about hermaphrodites? I'm playing devils advocate here so to speak. They say that God does not make mistakes so are hermaphrodites intentional or a freak of nature?  What think you good people? |
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summertime
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | [quote="Evee"][quote='RevJP']
That is the case but I ask -- then why are you just looking at the surface in these texts about homosexuality then? You see words on a page & automatically assume that's what the text means w/o further digging into what was going on at the time. |
It seems pretty much useless, Evee. Rev has his own views, as do we all. You ask him about only looking at the surface of the texts, but that is all he seems to care about: the surface only. He wants to see, on the surface, words that say it's okay. He's not concerned with the fact that if one defines the words in any given text that the definitions given for said words can shed light on the meaning being conveyed by the author. He asserts that the bible calls homsexual sex an abomination. When the term abomination is defined as idolatry that is abhorred, it still makes no sense to Rev. He's blind, figuratively! Sex engaged in for worship of idols is not the same as sex between two people who love one another. For example, a man and wife. However, since Rev only sees the surface of the word abomination, the contextual definition of the word means nothing to him. He blindly equates sexual worship of idols with sex between two people who are committed to one another in relationship. It is God's job to change people. We can only plant seeds. But Rev, since he does not like to dig deeper, will not allow the seeds to grow at this point. He just leaves them lying on the surface where he likes the view. They may grow somewhat, but what is said to Rev will pass away because he is, at this point, coming across as not willing to change. When, after all, change is not always a sign of rebellion against God. If it were, the bible would still be used to support slavery as it was in times past. Fortunately, though the bible still says what it said back then about slavery, those who read it no longer hold the same supportive view of slavery as the bible does. That should say something too, but the Rev may not be open to hearing that either. We should love him still though. We all can't expect to agree with one another. Everyone is at different levels of understanding. If we all had to agree with one another in order to enter heaven, no one, not even the Rev, would be there. Have a nice night! |
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zadok17
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I say again. WHAT ABOUT HERMAPHRODITES? Errrr, y'all do know what a hermaphrodite is don't cha,LOL? |
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summertime
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| zadok17 wrote: | | I say again. WHAT ABOUT HERMAPHRODITES? Errrr, y'all do know what a hermaphrodite is don't cha,LOL? |
LOL. I believe I do know:) I believe God made them as well. There are creatures in God's creation that change from one gender to the other. There have been records of humans who are born one gender and at puberty change to the other gender as well. There is also debate that the first human mentioned in Genesis was both male and female via one body and was later separated. I have no issue with persons like this. It's easy to have issue with them when we have been culturally conditioned to think that a man is this outwardy and a woman is that outwardly. However, it's not always just about what one sees outwardy (ie. genitalia). There's a lot that goes into our bodily makeup internally as well (ie. chromosomes, chemical balances, etc.) There, you have MY view:) LOL. |
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zadok17
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| summertime wrote: | | zadok17 wrote: | | I say again. WHAT ABOUT HERMAPHRODITES? Errrr, y'all do know what a hermaphrodite is don't cha,LOL? |
LOL. I believe I do know:) I believe God made them as well. There are creatures in God's creation that change from one gender to the other. There have been records of humans who are born one gender and at puberty change to the other gender as well. There is also debate that the first human mentioned in Genesis was both male and female via one body and was later separated. I have no issue with persons like this. It's easy to have issue with them when we have been culturally conditioned to think that a man is this outwardy and a woman is that outwardly. However, it's not always just about what one sees outwardy (ie. genitalia). There's a lot that goes into our bodily makeup internally as well (ie. chromosomes, chemical balances, etc.) There, you have MY view:) LOL. |
Soooo, I see,LOL. Well can they practice BI-SEXUALITY and have sex with both sexes if they wish and would that be alright with God since they have both genitalia, LOL. This discussion is fun! LOL, ANY COMMENTS?
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admin
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| Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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See you guys are thinking to much, let's get back to putting people in the Heaven or Hell basket.
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:08 am Post subject: |
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Can't we all just agree that male homosexuality is bad, and that female homosexuality is pretty cool?
Just a little joke... |
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summertime
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| zadok17 wrote: | | summertime wrote: | | zadok17 wrote: | | I say again. WHAT ABOUT HERMAPHRODITES? Errrr, y'all do know what a hermaphrodite is don't cha,LOL? |
LOL. I believe I do know:) I believe God made them as well. There are creatures in God's creation that change from one gender to the other. There have been records of humans who are born one gender and at puberty change to the other gender as well. There is also debate that the first human mentioned in Genesis was both male and female via one body and was later separated. I have no issue with persons like this. It's easy to have issue with them when we have been culturally conditioned to think that a man is this outwardy and a woman is that outwardly. However, it's not always just about what one sees outwardy (ie. genitalia). There's a lot that goes into our bodily makeup internally as well (ie. chromosomes, chemical balances, etc.) There, you have MY view:) LOL. |
Soooo, I see,LOL. Well can they practice BI-SEXUALITY and have sex with both sexes if they wish and would that be alright with God since they have both genitalia, LOL. This discussion is fun! LOL, ANY COMMENTS? |
Well, IMHO, it's more than what genitalia they have. A hermaphrodite could have both, but that should not automatically mean that they would want to have sex with both. Internally, emotionally, and otherwise, the person could be attracted to only one gender. In that case, I would think having sex with the gender their not attracted to is obsolete. I don't know a hermaphrodite though. Not that I know of at least. Some people think they don't know a gay person, but they could because how would you know when it can be kept a secret? |
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summertime
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | Can't we all just agree that male homosexuality is bad, and that female homosexuality is pretty cool?
Just a little joke... |
Haha. Funny joke, P12...The levitical law does not even mention female homosexuality while it does mention male. You may have a point. Just kidding about the point. LOL. It's an interesting levitical fact though. |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| Hmmmm... it seems that God's creation ended with the fll of Adam and that a corrupted version of that creation existed since then. What is 'natural' these days is not a 'creation of God' but a corruption resulting from the sin introduced by Adam and Eve. |
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summertime
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| admin wrote: | See you guys are thinking to much, let's get back to putting people in the Heaven or Hell basket.
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It's comedians day, I see. LOL. It's interesting to me that as christians, we are taught to love one another, to love our enemies, to forgive others, that God's love is unconditional, that God's love is patient, that God's love is wide and ever reaching and the like and then we are taught that God sends people he (no gender implied) loves to a place for eternal damnation. Am I the only one who finds that even more than interesting? |
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summertime
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Hmmmm... it seems that God's creation ended with the fll of Adam and that a corrupted version of that creation existed since then. What is 'natural' these days is not a 'creation of God' but a corruption resulting from the sin introduced by Adam and Eve. |
What is the word "fll" in your quote, Rev. And what is the definition of "natural" since it has several meanings? I can't believe I'm responding to you since you haven't responded to recent responses from me to you. I guess I'll learn someday soon that everything in a post does not get addressed:)
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zadok17
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Now, now boys and girls. Y'all play nice! |
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summertime
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| zadok17 wrote: | | Now, now boys and girls. Y'all play nice! |
Yes sir/maam. No harm done. |
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