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Trinity1
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I see a pattern developing HERE
This is getting pathetic!
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | I see a pattern developing HERE
This is getting pathetic! |
The left doesn't practice censorship any more than the right does.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:16 am Post subject: |
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Wow... I had to go digging for this thread.
I wanted to post THIS updated story to this pathetic saga.
Lets just say... for example... these folks were speaking about 'global warming'... or cooling (depending on which decade you live in of course)... and a bunch of right-wing republican Nazi's stormed the stage, called the speaker a n-i-g-g-e-r, got into a shoving match with the other students who wanted to hear about the perils of global cooling/warming. Do you think a temporary annotation on their transcripts (for about 8 months) and a warning not to do it again would suffice?
Is anyone even interested in the tyranny of the left in this country? Does anyone even care that anything descent, good, and pure is no longer acceptable and is often held in contempt? Are we no longer a nation of laws, a nation that believes in equality under the rule of law? Or are we just going to look the other way again?
If this is any indication, it appears most of us have simply given up.
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:31 am Post subject: |
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Is anyone even interested in the tyranny of the left in this country? |
Trinity, you may or may not be aware that the U.S. is the most right-wing country in the civilized world.
'Tyranny of the left' implies that the left is in charge. They are most certainly not in charge. Even Bill Clinton and John Kerry are to the right politically of virtually every single government in power in the West.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: |
Is anyone even interested in the tyranny of the left in this country? |
Trinity, you may or may not be aware that the U.S. is the most right-wing country in the civilized world. |
Interesting you mention civilized... as I agree Iran is not a very civilized society... and I agree, we are waaaaaay far to the right of France... or even a Germany. But the rest of the world? Not to much.
| Quote: | | 'Tyranny of the left' implies that the left is in charge. They are most certainly not in charge. Even Bill Clinton and John Kerry are to the right politically of virtually every single government in power in the West. |
I was speaking of the leftist universities and media outlets that refuse to publish this... it is only when the shoe is on the other foot will it make news... their news.
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: |
Interesting you mention civilized... as I agree Iran is not a very civilized society... and I agree, we are waaaaaay far to the right of France... or even a Germany. But the rest of the world? Not to much.
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Name one first world country which is further left than America.
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| Quote: | | 'Tyranny of the left' implies that the left is in charge. They are most certainly not in charge. Even Bill Clinton and John Kerry are to the right politically of virtually every single government in power in the West. |
I was speaking of the leftist universities and media outlets that refuse to publish this... it is only when the shoe is on the other foot will it make news... their news. |
What are you talking about? Fox News gets the highest ratings and has more viewers than any other news station... You can hardly make the case that the news is run by lefties...
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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Pondering
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: |
Name one first world country which is further left than America. |
Britain, France, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway or those not the first world? They're all social democracies (Gov't education and healthcare, Govt guaranteed maternity leave, much great support to the Gay-Lesbian issue, etc, etc...)....or did you mean further right?
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What are you talking about? Fox News gets the highest ratings and has more viewers than any other news station... You can hardly make the case that the news is run by lefties... |
Fox news..that's 1. Compare that to all 3 networks (ABC, NBC, CBS), their cable outlets, CNN, The vast majority of big city print media...
At least in the blogosphere, bloggers come right out and state their opinion of which side they support. The main stream outlets purport to be "unbiased" but their word choice, topic choice, and choice of talking heads clearly indicate a bias...For example the US economy has actually grown while the deficit has gone down over the past year. Granted that a greater % of wealth is increasingly concentrated in a shrinking population group and accounting methods often mask "what's really happening", but the data is the data.
The surge in Baghdad and the alliance with now-anti-Al Queada Shieks in Anbars looks to be working...bombings are down in both number and casualties...US casualties are lower, AQ in Iraq is in disarray, Al-Sadr's militia is splintering, etc, etc...but it's very very difficult to find that story in the media.
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| Pondering wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: |
Name one first world country which is further left than America. |
Britain, France, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway or those not the first world? They're all social democracies (Gov't education and healthcare, Govt guaranteed maternity leave, much great support to the Gay-Lesbian issue, etc, etc...)....or did you mean further right?
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Yes, I'm stupid. I can't tell my left from my right. What I meant to say was name one first-world country which is further right than America.
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For example the US economy has actually grown while the deficit has gone down over the past year.
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How can this possibly be true with the Iraq war costing like a billion dollars a week, and with pork-barrel politics at an all time high???
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The surge in Baghdad and the alliance with now-anti-Al Queada Shieks in Anbars looks to be working...bombings are down in both number and casualties...US casualties are lower, AQ in Iraq is in disarray, Al-Sadr's militia is splintering, etc, etc...but it's very very difficult to find that story in the media. |
I hope that you're right.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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Pondering
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: |
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For example the US economy has actually grown while the deficit has gone down over the past year.
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How can this possibly be true with the Iraq war costing like a billion dollars a week, and with pork-barrel politics at an all time high???
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Because we have a tremendously strong, rich, and robust economy 
http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/31/news/economy/gdp/index.htm
Some other money factoids: (Rounded up to nearest whole amount)
$1 billion - 0.04% of the budget (4 pennies out of 100 dollars)
- $1 billion - federal funding for Amtrak
- $5 billion - federal funding for community development in 2005
- $8 billion - funding to conduct foreign affairs in 2005
$10 billion - 0.4% of the budget (40 pennies out of 100 dollars)
- $25 billion - federal funding for science research and space exploration in 2005
- $30 billion - cost of federal food stamps in 2005
- $50 billion - one year of military spending in Iraq
$100 billion - 4% of the budget (4 dollars out of 100 dollars)
- $200 billion - total national spending on criminal justice in 2001
- $300 billion - Medicare spending in 2005 (CBO)
- $500 billion - defense spending in 2005 (CBO)
$1 trillion - 40% of the budget (40 dollars out of 100 dollars)
- $2 trillion - total federal revenue in 2005
- $8 trillion - total federal debt in 2005
- $12 trillion - U.S. gross domestic product in 2005
from here. It's a pretty well put together site that truly tries to factual and unbiased.
Of note regarding our debt (~$5 trillion)
$2.7 trillion – is held domesticically (56%)
$2.1 trillion – foreign (44%) of which Japan holds 34% and China holds 11%
the numbers are huge, but when placed in context...not so much. The Earth is huge, but when compared to the Universe...not so much. The media isn't about context...it's about shock value.
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| Pondering wrote: |
- $50 billion - one year of military spending in Iraq
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Really? This website says that the cost is more like $100 billion per year:
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182
Makes one wonder which numbers are accurate...
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: |
Yes, I'm stupid. I can't tell my left from my right. What I meant to say was name one first-world country which is further right than America. |
I'd say Italy is prolly pretty close. But that is really not the point of the post though... the posts dealt with the leftist leaning media in our country.
| P wrote: | | Pondering wrote: |
The surge in Baghdad and the alliance with now-anti-Al Queada Shieks in Anbars looks to be working...bombings are down in both number and casualties...US casualties are lower, AQ in Iraq is in disarray, Al-Sadr's militia is splintering, etc, etc...but it's very very difficult to find that story in the media. |
I hope that you're right. |
Its too bad that the entire Democratic Party, and all of its Presidential candidates have hedged their bets for defeat. If this surge works, while all of them opposed it, where does that leave them.
You sit back and watch... they are going to do everything they possibly can to ensure that the surge does not work, or at least have time to work, or when it does, admit that it didn’t work. They will do anything, including ensuring the defeat of our soldiers in Iraq, to get the White House back. If I’m wrong… how are they ever going to save face, or at least be trusted by the American people ever again?
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Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."
‘The German Führer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution.’ Sir Arthur Keith |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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If you think the 'Left' hates free speech, then check this out:
http://media.www.thevarsity.ca/media/storage/paper285/news/2007/04/02/News/Atheist.Claims.Assault.Was.hate.Crime-2817715.shtml
If it's ok to say that the left hates free speech based on just a few examples, is it ok for me to now say that religious people hate free speech?
Incidentally, I know the guy who was attacked. I met him the other night at a talk. He introduced the speaker.
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
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Pondering
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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Moral equivelancy doesn't play well with me...
Suppression of (peaceful) free speech is suppression....
If person A wants to argue the God (does/doesn't) exist and person B wants to argue the converse, any attempt to silence the other is WRONG.
If person C punches person A or B to shut them up...it's wrong. Not only that, it's illegal. It's called "Battery" and it's an arrestable offense. Why is this so hard?
I believe this thread was about bias and censorship thru selective reporting not about nutheads violently suppressing opinion...
and oh, BTW...pooping on a flag in front of women in kids (Oregon anti-war demonstration) is not "free speech" IMO...that nucklehead should have been arrested for lewd and indecent behavior.....
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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If person C punches person A or B to shut them up...it's wrong. Not only that, it's illegal. It's called "Battery" and it's an arrestable offense. Why is this so hard?
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Who's arguing with you? I totally agree.
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I believe this thread was about bias and censorship thru selective reporting not about nutheads violently suppressing opinion...
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Censorship through violence or threat of violence is probably the most effective type of censorship known to man... In any case, violent censorship is still censorship, so it's relevant to this thread, especially since Trinity seems to think that it is only the left which tries to suppress free speech.
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and oh, BTW...pooping on a flag in front of women in kids (Oregon anti-war demonstration) is not "free speech" IMO...that nucklehead should have been arrested for lewd and indecent behavior..... |
Sure, I agree. If the dude hates America so much, maybe he should move somewhere else...
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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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Ana
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: |
Censorship through violence or threat of violence is probably the most effective type of censorship known to man... In any case, violent censorship is still censorship, so it's relevant to this thread, especially since Trinity seems to think that it is only the left which tries to suppress free speech. |
It's also relevant as a counterpoint to the opening post, which also featured a news story about violence as a form of censorship.
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