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saibe
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| We're censored on a continual basis by the omittance of fallen soldiers remains returning to US soil. These men and women are celibrated with the highest honor becouse they have sacrificially fought to enforce liberty. Most times not commemorated by name, or by the least John or Jane Doe but by numerical association. |
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Trinity1
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| saibe wrote: | | We're censored on a continual basis by the omittance of fallen soldiers remains returning to US soil. These men and women are celibrated with the highest honor becouse they have sacrificially fought to enforce liberty. Most times not commemorated by name, or by the least John or Jane Doe but by numerical association. |
What are you talking about? Are you saying that since we are not exposed to photos of coffins getting off of aircraft with soldiers in them, and then not knowing their name... to print in the papers... we are being censored?
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P1234567890
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What are you talking about? Are you saying that since we are not exposed to photos of coffins getting off of aircraft with soldiers in them, and then not knowing their name... to print in the papers... we are being censored? |
That's one example, but there are many more. How about the fact that like 80% of Americans want a universal health care system like we have in Canada AND are willing to pay higher taxes for it, but NEITHER party is willing to bring this up as a campaign issue.... This is censorship on a much more fundamental level; the voice of the electorate is silenced by the people who they elected.
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saibe
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| Trinity wrote: | | What are you talking about? Are you saying that since we are not exposed to photos of coffins getting off of aircraft with soldiers in them, and then not knowing their name... to print in the papers... we are being censored? |
I thought my comment was clear as to what I'm speaking about.Yes we are being censored. The banning didn't start until the arrival of our 43 president the current president's father.
The reality is that men and women are fighting a war which brings death. The casualties of war are mothers, fathers, husbands etc. these are lives were debating. Why not allow the dedicated soldiers their honor publicly? They are surely worthy of it whether you agree with the war or not. |
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saibe
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I forgot..
| P1234567890 wrote: | | That's one example, but there are many more. How about the fact that like 80% of Americans want a universal health care system like we have in Canada AND are willing to pay higher taxes for it, but NEITHER party is willing to bring this up as a campaign issue.... This is censorship on a much more fundamental level; the voice of the electorate is silenced by the people who they elected. |
P, it's not that the voters are silenced, more likely that the lobbying that goes on in our political system is much louder.
This system would benefit many. Currently our ER's are dedicated to trivial illnesses that should be presented to the primary health physician, which harm the ER's devotion to trauma victims, cardiac patients etc.
I think it has a lot of positive reactions, but some negative also. Wonder if the Gov. would do something about the rediculously high medicine cost, if they were remimbursed for medical teatment and medicine. |
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Nobby
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Hi saibe, when you quote someone , please let us know who your quoting.
I fixed that on this page. 
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theseldomscene
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...edit...
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theseldomscene
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...i edited this one too...
i am not even going to come back to this blasted forum!!!...
it is impossible to even read it with out..just nevermind...
i am going to stay in the other forums...y'all can have the political one... |
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P1234567890
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| saibe wrote: |
P, it's not that the voters are silenced, more likely that the lobbying that goes on in our political system is much louder.
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Regardless of whether or not they are silenced or ignored, the effect is the same, and it falls under the umbrella of 'censorship'.
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RevJP
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Two things:
Saibe, what censorship? Funerals for dead soldiers are not public events. They are private matters for the family, however; the reporting of these deaths is not censored and the notice of the funerals are not kept secret.
I simply do not understand what you are getting at.
P123... you said:
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How about the fact that like 80% of Americans want a universal health care system like we have in Canada AND are willing to pay higher taxes for it, |
Personally, I think you pulled this 'statistic' out of your back door. I can give you that a majority of Americans want a universal health care system (maybe up to 70%), but I can guarantee you that very few who actually pay taxes would step up and say they are willing to pay higher taxes for it.
I can see if you stated that 80% of unemployed, non-tax paying Americans would be willing to have the others who actually pay their taxes pay higher taxes to pay for it....
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Trinity1
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| saibe wrote: | | I thought my comment was clear as to what I'm speaking about.Yes we are being censored. The banning didn't start until the arrival of our 43 president the current president's father. |
 I thought Bush's father was our 41st President? Or perhaps I’m reading this wrong…
| Quote: | | The reality is that men and women are fighting a war which brings death. The casualties of war are mothers, fathers, husbands etc. these are lives were debating. Why not allow the dedicated soldiers their honor publicly? They are surely worthy of it whether you agree with the war or not. |
They are honored publicly... you can go to any military funeral you want too. You can engage in any type of support you want. You can express your support and honor them anyway you want too. Have you ever been to one of these funerals? If you had, I am certain you wouldn’t be stating that they are not being ‘publicly honored’.
The difference here is that the daily photos from Ramstein... Dover... or where ever a soldiers coffins being off lifted from C17s isn't meant to honor them at all. Those photos were meant in the past to bring public support against the war... and Bush decided that these photos were not going part of that. The sacrifice of these soldiers was not going to be part of some freak show you happen to think is 'honoring' them.
They are honored. If you don't see it... then that is because you are not looking hard enough. These soldiers are given full military honors in theater... when they land back in the states... and once they are transported back to their home town. Where I'm from... a local boy was killed over there last winter... every police department... fire department... and practically every school in the county was closed to show up for this kids transportation back to his home town. The funeral itself... well... the church could not support the amount of people who showed up. They are indeed honored… and if you don’t see it on the news it is because honor like that would be some sort of tacit support for the war… and we can’t have that on the news… now can we…
So, it isn't that they are not being honored. The fact is they aren't being used.. being used under some pretense that plastering nameless coffins on the front page of newspapers somehow 'honors' them. So paaalease.... save it for someone who doesn't know better. -k-?
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P1234567890
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| RevJP wrote: | | Personally, I think you pulled this 'statistic' out of your back door. I can give you that a majority of Americans want a universal health care system (maybe up to 70%), but I can guarantee you that very few who actually pay taxes would step up and say they are willing to pay higher taxes for it. |
You should know me better by now; I don't make stuff up.
Check it out:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/01/washington/01cnd-poll.html?ex=1330405200&en=45c0a4cf48ed21a1&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
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RevJP
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Interesting poll.
I'm glad 100 Americans can statistically speak for the millions of citizens out there.
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Ana
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Where does it say 100?
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Trinity1
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| Ana wrote: | | Where does it say 100? |
Question 27 HERE. It was linked on P's referencedd page.
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