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Trinity1
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | I'm not saying you guys should torture people. Having black prisons and stuff is stupid, because it makes you look so evil. That's Gestapo and gulag stuff. You want to avoid making yourself look like some of the super-evil governments that existed during the last 100 years. |
I actually think it is a pretty good idea for the simple reason of using them as an intimidation factor. The rest of the world... in this case, can pretty much kiss my fourth point of contact as far as I am concerned. It doesn't matter what the heck we do... they are always going to be critical of us unless we do everything their way... and if you are the leader of the world... that ain't leading. The prisons, regardless of what you, or the world may perceive them to be… stay. They are a necessary tool as we have way too many lawyers in this country just chomping at the bit to bestow constitutional rights from our country… which these terrorists are sworn to destroy.
| Quote: | | What I favor is using SMARTER tactics against the terrorists. In some cases this might involve using more force, but I think that the harshest tactic of all (short of nuking them) would be to shift your economy away from oil. All of a sudden, there would be no dependence on foreign oil. |
 What?!?!? and you would replace this oil with? What? Oil from ANWAR.... um... tried that. Seems the breeding habits of 4 Caribou are more important than global security. The oil in the gulf... no to that one too. There might... just might be an accident... and that is just unthinkable. The Pacific coast... well... California... nuf said.
So, I suppose we could ask Venezuela to increase their output, but then again, we'd have to hold some type of State Dinner for that psychopath narcissist Chavez... and I'd just as soon cut my right big toe off and chew on it then see that happen... so, what is your plan for replacing the energy... short term?
| Quote: | | And this would easily be possible if you just started mass producing electric cars... |
 And who exactly is going to 'mass produce these electric cars'? Mattel? Tonka? ... GM? Ford? Chrysler? That would mean there would need to be a market for them. If gas were to hit... say... $5 a gallon... yeah... sure... there would be a demand. However, ours is a supply and demand economy, not supply then command economy. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: |
And who exactly is going to 'mass produce these electric cars'? Mattel? Tonka? ... GM? Ford? Chrysler? That would mean there would need to be a market for them. If gas were to hit... say... $5 a gallon... yeah... sure... there would be a demand. However, ours is a supply and demand economy, not supply then command economy. |
If consumers had 'perfect knowledge' as is so often an assumption in economic theory, then EVERYONE would want electric cars. Right now all of the big car manufacturers are trying to kill electric cars because they require very little maintenance. For example, a huge percentage of GM's profits come from their oil change and tune-up centers. These would all cease to exist if we all drove electric cars.
Electric cars are CONSIDERABLY cheaper to operate than normal cars. I know that I'm going to get one as soon as I can.
But don't take my word for it; check out the facts for yourself. Go to wikipedia and look up 'electric car'. Find out exactly how awesome these things are. They have the potential to stop global warming AND wean us off of foreign oil. I think it's a no-brainer; we should start mass-producing them as soon as possible.
There are no good arguments against electric cars. |
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Ana
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: |
For example, a huge percentage of GM's profits come from their oil change and tune-up centers. These would all cease to exist if we all drove electric cars. |
Really?  |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | I think it's a no-brainer; we should start mass-producing them as soon as possible.
There are no good arguments against electric cars. |
Other than 'who' will make them using 'who's' money. Any answers? |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: | I think it's a no-brainer; we should start mass-producing them as soon as possible.
There are no good arguments against electric cars. |
Other than 'who' will make them using 'who's' money. Any answers? |
Obviously capitalism can solve this problem. There are trillions of dollars to be made once the ball starts rolling. The electric car is inevitable; the only question right now is how long it can be delayed for. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Ana wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: |
For example, a huge percentage of GM's profits come from their oil change and tune-up centers. These would all cease to exist if we all drove electric cars. |
Really? |
Yup; an electric car has no transmission. It doen't have any oil in its engine. It has many fewer moving parts than a normal car. They consequently require FAR less maintenance than a normal car. |
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Trinity1
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Obviously capitalism can solve this problem. There are trillions of dollars to be made once the ball starts rolling. The electric car is inevitable; the only question right now is how long it can be delayed for. |
P... it isn't as if their some diabolical plot going on here to purposely 'delay' the mass production of electric cars. What you are asserting here is that the market will drive this... and that is true... it will. But it can not be forced and still be expected to work. As I mentioned before, once gas hits $5 a gallon... or whatever price... then there will be a demand for this. The demand will increase R&D by the private sector, increase the proliferation of the delivery of the electricity... which is going to replace the gas station... in one form or another. What about the trucking industry? Billions and billions are at stake there...
Capitalism alone is not going to solve this problem unless the alternative becomes unbearable... and until we reach that point... it just ain't going to happen. |
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P1234567890
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| Trinity1 wrote: |
P... it isn't as if their some diabolical plot going on here to purposely 'delay' the mass production of electric cars.
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Well, the EV-1 was certainly assassinated... I would call that a diabolical plot on the part of GM to delay elecrtric cars. They literally took the thousand cars that they had built (which EVERYONE loved) and had them destroyed rather than sell them. People were willing to pay top dollar for them, but GM destroyed them (all perfectly good cars) rather than selling them. That doesn't sound strange to you?
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But it can not be forced and still be expected to work. |
It doesn't have to be forced. The alternative already IS unbearable. Electric cars are superior to normal cars in almost every way. No R & D is necessary. All of the technology already exists. The only thing missing is capital investment (to the tune of billions of dollars) to establish mass-production facilities for these things. NONE of the major auto manufacturers want to touch this thing, and you bet that the oil companies are trying to kill it. It isn't so easy for a little company to start mass producing these things overnight. |
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Trinity1
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Again... criticism and no answers P. A billion dollars is not chump change. Billions is even worse. Capital investment is a necessary component to solving this problem (or perceived problem) and unless you are able to convince those who actually have that kind of money... with some real statistical and repeatable data that has a consensus agreeing upon it... you are never going to get one red cent... except from maybe Tom Cruise or Oprah... but not real money... the kind to get this thing going.
Supply and demand... it is the only way it is going to work. Creating panic is not the way to do this... and that seems to be the only method the Global Warming crowd is using. |
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P1234567890
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| Trinity1 wrote: | Again... criticism and no answers P. A billion dollars is not chump change. Billions is even worse. Capital investment is a necessary component to solving this problem (or perceived problem) and unless you are able to convince those who actually have that kind of money... with some real statistical and repeatable data that has a consensus agreeing upon it... you are never going to get one red cent... except from maybe Tom Cruise or Oprah... but not real money... the kind to get this thing going.
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How do you think the EV-1 was created in the first place? It was because the government of California FORCED GM to develop it by passing laws. The Federal government could EASILY make electric cars a reality, and the economy would be FAR better off for it. So would the planet, and so would your new freedom from being addicted to Mid-East oil. |
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theseldomscene
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only satanic minds can torture...and only demonic brains can support it...
any that call themselves CHRISTian and say torture is at all acceptable is a lying blasphemer...and show their are completely ignorant of n.t. teachings in order to save their conscience from the guilt of the murder that is on their own hands...vile..killers...with hearts full of violence and destruction...replacing the truth of GOD with a bush lie...
go serve your furor bush nazi men of the u.s. military...you can take your place in hell with hitler, himmler and the rest of your ilk...all burning together...fun... |
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Nobby
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Tss, aren't you a USA citizen. And your calling our boys in the service ....... nazi men of the u.s. military... !! that's sick!!  |
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Trinity1
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| Nobby wrote: | | Tss, aren't you a USA citizen. And your calling our boys in the service ....... nazi men of the u.s. military... !! that's sick!! |
Sick or not... our soldiers have fought and died for the right of it's citizens to make completely and utterly stupid statements. Granted, there are some that abuse this privilege (  ), however, every citizen has the right to be stupid if they want too.
Just as others (me personally) have the right to simply ignore these ignorant and stupid statements and let the facts speak for themselves. |
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Trinity1
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How do you think the EV-1 was created in the first place? It was because the government of California FORCED GM to develop it by passing laws. The Federal government could EASILY make electric cars a reality, and the economy would be FAR better off for it. So would the planet, and so would your new freedom from being addicted to Mid-East oil. |
It seems you are not fully looking into this matter P. I would first state that it cost over $80,000 per vehicle to produce these cars. GM was selling them for up to $43,000 each. The math didn't and does not work on this. They are a 'for-profit' company... and as such... are not into taking a beating every time they go to sell a call just because it makes some environmentalist feel good.
Second, read THIS. This picture you have painted is not a rosy as you have portrayed. This statement pretty much summed up the whole deal:
| Quote: | | A waiting list of 5,000 only generated 50 people willing to follow through to a lease. |
There is always alot of enthusiasm when these ideas are touted, but when it comes time to actually start writing checks... hardly anyone wanted to put their money where their mouth was... which is normally the case with these types. |
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Ana
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It seems you are not fully looking into this matter P. I would first state that it cost over $80,000 per vehicle to produce these cars. GM was selling them for up to $43,000 each. The math didn't and does not work on this. They are a 'for-profit' company... and as such... are not into taking a beating every time they go to sell a call just because it makes some environmentalist feel good.
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That price (wherever you got it from) would go down substantially if they were mass produced.
Also, this is almost always the case with new technology.
For instance, I walked into a Future Shop about 5 years ago to drool over the ludicrously expensive HDTVs (over 5 digits on the price tag). I now own one, and I paid a meager 1200 for it. I've seen prices drop on VCRs, microwaves (from what my folks tell me), DVDs and DVD players.
This is simple stuff. |
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