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 Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: Satanism: What it is & not - Free Satanic Bible Download |
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To know in detail you really need to download the satanic bible and read it. After you read it, tell me what you think.
*Note from Admin: Normally I would take down a link like this for spam, but I have checked it out and it does indeed seem to be the actual Satanic Bible. Can't verify that 100%, but would say with 99% certainty. There are a couple parts I know, and they matched up. I would actually encourage people to download it and check it out, so they understand what is true and what is false when claims are made about this work. It is a modern work, just a book - not some script from 4,000 years ago or anything like that.* |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Book VI of the Book of Lucifer (according to Wikipedia)
VI. Satanic Sex
Contrary to the popular opinion that Satanism advocates promiscuous behavior in all individuals, in this essay LaVey actually lambasts the "free love" movement (a movement very much in motion in the 1960s when LaVey wrote The Satanic Bible) as being equally restricting as the white-light view that sex is wrong.
LaVey's stance, once again, takes a purely individual approach to sexual matters and ethics. He maintains that while some people are indeed happy with sexual promiscuity, some are, by their nature, happier with much less sexual activity, or perhaps no sexual activity at all. LaVey believes that neither of these states is unnatural or deserving of condemnation, but rather that it is a decision for each individual to make concerning their own sexual tastes and activities.
From this basic principle, LaVey then expounds upon this by pointing out exactly what is and is not permissible Satanic sexual activity.
The basic premise of what is permissible is summed up by the maxim:
Satanism encourages any form of sexual expression you may desire, so long as it hurts no one else.[3]
LaVey quickly explains that this does not preclude sexual masochism, as "so long as it hurts no one else" must be interpreted to mean "who does not wish to be hurt".
This statement openly condones homosexuality, bisexuality, polyamory, premarital or extramarital sex, sexual games including BDSM, multiple partners, and any other such proclivity, while at the same time not excluding heterosexuality, monogamy, or "traditional" marriage. Satanism views all such activities as entirely equal, and deserving of the same respect. LaVey also specifies asexuality as a valid expression, for one for whom sexual activity is simply not desired. LaVey claims Satanism to be the first religion to openly take this stance.
However, the same statement therefore excludes any such activity as rape, pedophilia, or other sexual activities in which any of the participants are unwilling or unable to give knowledgable consent (as is the case with a child). Satanism also expressly forbids illegal activity of any kind. This therefore puts to rest claims that Satanism condones child abuse or criminal activity.
That's not at all what I was expecting from a chapter entitled "Satanic Sex." |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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There are a lot of claims about the Satanic Bible and the Church of Satain which are incorrect. And I have always wondered why the claims are made.
Does the Christian faith really need to manufacture enemeis to keep the faith going? Is our faith based on love or based on fear of an enemy?
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Well to be honest with you I am very reluctant to download and read the satanic stuff, actually I am afraid of it. Perhaps I should not be, but Im gonna ponder the download for a few weeks at least and maybe not at all. I am sure some find the book and its teachings to be very interesting, but should a Christian study satanic teachings? Shouldn't they devote their time to the Holy Bible? Its kind of like sayin leave the hot pan alone or you could burn yourself. Im not sure the information in that book would be of any use to Biblical scholar. Before i look at that book Id like to see some other opinions on what I have said here. Thanks...
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| IronSharpensIron wrote: | | Well to be honest with you I am very reluctant to download and read the satanic stuff, actually I am afraid of it. Perhaps I should not be, but Im gonna ponder the download for a few weeks at least and maybe not at all. I am sure some find the book and its teachings to be very interesting, but should a Christian study satanic teachings? Shouldn't they devote their time to the Holy Bible? Its kind of like sayin leave the hot pan alone or you could burn yourself. Im not sure the information in that book would be of any use to Biblical scholar. Before i look at that book Id like to see some other opinions on what I have said here. Thanks... |
If you are strong in your faith, then it makes no sense for you to be afraid of the Satanic Bible. Do you think that it will brainwash you or something?
Besides, from what I've seen here, I'm starting to get the impression that Satanism has been strongly misrepresented in popular culture. I was under the impression that it involved child sacrifices and cannibalism and all sorts of evil torture performed in pentagrams and stuff like that. If this Satanic Bible is authentic, then none of that is true at all.
I downloaded it and looked at parts... My impression is that this LaVey guy is a bit of an idiot, and not a very good writer. All of his spiritual and ritualistic ideas are stupid. That being said, he does make some very accurate observations about human nature.
Another point: the dude who created the electronic version of the Satanic Bible couldn't have spell-checked it?
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Exactly my point. Once you read it, you will realize how ridiculous it is to be afraid of it. The only power it has is the power you give it.
I had a non-Christian friend tell me recently they had turned away from Christianity because "Christians live in constant fear". I've been thinking a lot about that. This would be an example where there definately is fear, but of what?
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:05 am Post subject: |
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I had a non-Christian friend tell me recently they had turned away from Christianity because "Christians live in constant fear". I've been thinking a lot about that. This would be an example where there definately is fear, but of what? |
Is Anton LaVey's version of Satanism the ONLY version of Satanism? It is probably the most popular, but are there others?
LaVey's version is nothing more than glorified hedonism. It really has nothing at all to do with Satan; it's a worship of one's self, with some bogus mumbo jumbo thrown in about rituals and black magic.
Are there other popular versions of Satanism that actually ARE truly evil? I'm talking about baby sacrifices and doing evil deeds for their own sake and that sort of thing.
If LaVey's version is really the only version, then Christians really shouldn't be afraid of it at all. In fact, they should probably listen to some of his criticisms of Christianity, because some of them are legitimate.
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Good point P.
You hit the nail on the head, better worded than I ever have. Yes, Anton's work is hedonism, and he does have very good criticisms.
Is this the only version of Satanism? Well.....it's the one most touted in the media, and to my knowledge has nothing to do with "baby sacrifices", etc.
I have met some Satanists, and to me they seemed uneducated, very much like people that had no power in real life, and thought that "Satanism" provided it. But always struck me as a very made up thing.
Of course the counter to this is always, "The greatest feat Satan has ever accomplished is convinced mankind he doesn't exist."
But yet I have seen people terrified of this novel, refusing to read it, attributing this to it that it is not. It makes me wonder about all the other claims, if it is more of a psychiatric comment, or of people just wanting attention.
When someone says they are Satanic, people are in fear of them. Why? It's silly. They can put fear in people just by claiming it.....any different than just being Goth?
It's a fun theatrical experiment I guess, or a cloak to wear to cover psychiatric disorder, but to attribute more than that to it.
Again, excellent post P.
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| admin wrote: |
Is this the only version of Satanism? Well.....it's the one most touted in the media, and to my knowledge has nothing to do with "baby sacrifices", etc.
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In fact, LaVey's Satanic Bible EXPLICTLY forbids baby sacrifices, as well as sacrifices of animals, the reason being that animals and babies are to be revered because they are the ultimate hedonists.
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Of course the counter to this is always, "The greatest feat Satan has ever accomplished is convinced mankind he doesn't exist."
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You can experimentally verify that he doesn't exist. Has anyone ever come up to you and offered to buy your soul? No? Well it also hasn't happened to me, and if someone actually came up to me and offered my $5 for my soul, I'd take the money without a moment's hesitation, since I believe that souls don't exist. But despite the fact that my soul is on sale for a bargain, still nobody has ever come up to me and offered me money for it. I think this is good reason to believe that Satan doesn't exist (or at the very least that he isn't omniscient).
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But yet I have seen people terrified of this novel, refusing to read it, |
The only reason to be scared of it is that it might waste your time reading it. It might be the most melodramatic piece I've ever read. I wish someone would go through and extract the good ideas from it so that they can be studied in isolation without having to read the rest of it.
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Again, excellent post P. |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:19 am Post subject: |
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I'm not really sure that most Christians are 'afraid' of the 'satanic bible'.
I think the more appropriate, and prolific, opinion amongst Christians is: What use to read it?
I personally am not afraid of it, nor are any christians I have talked to about it. It seems the general idea is that we know who and what 'satan' is all about, what we do need to know is given to us by the God of Truth and not by the deciever. What could I possibly learn from the satanic bible that would reveal any truth about satan that God has not already given me?
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I personally am not afraid of it, nor are any christians I have talked to about it. It seems the general idea is that we know who and what 'satan' is all about, what we do need to know is given to us by the God of Truth and not by the deciever. What could I possibly learn from the satanic bible that would reveal any truth about satan that God has not already given me? |
Shouldn't people know their enemies? The one thing that LaVey DOES do very well is give insight into the darker aspects of human nature. In that sense, the Satanic Bible is worth a read because it will give you a deeper understanding of what is bad.
Even though LaVey is half-crazy, I agree with many of his observations. His basic thesis is that human beings are selfish, evil creatures that are wont to all sorts of vices including but not limited to the seven deadly sins.
A lot of people out there seem to believe that most humans are basically good. I think that pretty much the opposite is true. Humans are a basically evil and despicable species, but every now then you catch one of them doing something nice and selfless.
Anyways, LaVey does a pretty good job exploring the idea of vice and its fundamental role in the human psyche. If for no other reason, you should read his 'book' in order to get some exposure some theories about the selfish aspects of human nature.
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Rev, I have had a different experience. I have talked to many people afraid of it - it seems to come up in conversation a lot, or maybe I just notice when it comes up. I usually shut up because I don't want to get into it, but I have yet to meet a Christian that has read it. Yet have heard countless conversations of people saying what's in it and what it's about....and they were wrong.
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| Quote: | | Shouldn't people know their enemies? |
Certainly. But people are not our enemies and that is the bulk of what your last post concentrated on.
What can LaVey tell us about human nature that God did not already tell us?
That they are selfish evil creatures that are want to all sorts of vices...?
Doesn't scripture already tell us that?
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If for no other reason, you should read his 'book' in order to get some exposure some theories about the selfish aspects of human nature. |
Trust me, I know what this 'book' says, and it doesn't offer anything that my psychology studies and scripture haven't already demonstrated.
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Rev, I have had a different experience. |
Granted, I have met those who are 'scared' because they go by what they are told. Fortunately, I must be blessed with fellowship with thinking people who consider things, study them, etc.
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| RevJP wrote: | | Quote: | | Shouldn't people know their enemies? |
Certainly. But people are not our enemies and that is the bulk of what your last post concentrated on.
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Yes, but their vices are your enemy, and it is those that LaVey can help you to understand better.
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What can LaVey tell us about human nature that God did not already tell us?
That they are selfish evil creatures that are want to all sorts of vices...?
Doesn't scripture already tell us that?
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Maybe, but LaVey goes into more detail.
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Trust me, I know what this 'book' says, and it doesn't offer anything that my psychology studies and scripture haven't already demonstrated.
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How can you possibly know this without actually reading it???
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| Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: |
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I have read it. I used to own a copy when I was dabbling (immersing myself actually) in the occult.
You continue to ASSume things P123... I thought we may have had you cured of that... 
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