Talking to Non-Believers

Sara Jansky · Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2002 6:29 pm Post subject: Talking to Non-Believers

Sure of course everyone can decide for themselves. I was just saying what I think. How I feel about discussing with you.

I do not judge you. God has already judged what is right and wrong. He does the judging not me. I don't see how I was deciding for anyone. Just saying what I know about you.

I don't see how that is judging. I know what you have said about the Bible and God. It is all negative. That is not judging that is fact. You really have said some negative things about the Bible.

Judging would be me saying that I think you will go to hell or something to that effect. I have not done that.

The Lord does say by your "fruits you will know them". Your fruits point to you not being Christian.

I am glad you decided to pay this site a visit. Hope you enjoy it!

And, yes I would like to know why you respond to people the way you do. I really don't understand it. Despite what you may think I enjoy talking with you. I just don't enjoy when you start insulting and being rude. I don't see the reason for it.

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Ron · Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2002 9:38 pm Post subject: Talking to Non-Believers

Sara,

It has been my experience that those who resist the truth so strongly do it for this reason- the responsibility that goes with accepting the truth. It is much easier, as we all know, to trash and disprove in our minds God's Word than to profess our shortcomings and try to walk with Him, striving to fashion our lives close to Him. Way easier to be a nonbeliever than a believer!!! Keep the faith my sister in Christ!

Fre · Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2002 12:34 am Post subject: Talking to Non-Believers

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The Bible is much more logical than the worlds knowledge.

Sara, I hope you can give me proof for your statement. Because if you can, ill be glad to change my mind about Christianity. In order to save my soul.

Magnum PI · Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2002 5:53 am Post subject: Talking to Non-Believers

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It has been my experience that those who resist the truth so strongly do it for this reason- the responsibility that goes with accepting the truth.

One man's lie is another man's truth.

It's pretty arrogant to declare the Word of God as 'truth' without being able to back it up with tangible facts/evidence.

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It is much easier, as we all know, to trash and disprove in our minds God's Word than to profess our shortcomings and try to walk with Him, striving to fashion our lives close to Him. Way easier to be a nonbeliever than a believer!!!

'It is much easier to believe in something you cannot prove and trash those unwilling to be as naive.'

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Keep the faith my sister in Christ!

Ron, why don't you try addressing my and/or Fre's arguments and the valid points made instead of making dismissive preachy comments of solidarity!

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Magnum PI · Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2002 5:57 am Post subject: Talking to Non-Believers

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The Bible is much more logical than the worlds knowledge.

Sara, I hope you can give me proof for your statement. Because if you can, ill be glad to change my mind about Christianity. In order to save my soul.

Good luck getting the proof.

In another forum she made a bold statement that it was biologically impossible for a woman to get pregnant (hinting at it was God's doing) and we asked her for proof. To this day we have yet to see any.

Ron · Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2002 6:05 pm Post subject: Talking to Non-Believers

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Ron, why don't you try addressing my and/or Fre's arguments and the valid points made instead of making dismissive preachy comments of solidarity!

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1Co 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
1Co 2:5 so that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Magnum PI · Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2002 8:56 pm Post subject: Talking to Non-Believers

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1Co 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
1Co 2:5 so that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Are you really that insecure?

Would you like me to start quoting the Bible too? I'll bet you I can find far more heinous quotations of violence, murder, war, rape, slavery, adultery, etc. than you can find 'touchie feelie' ones that make you feel better.

Here are 87 quotatons for you:
Evil Biblical Stupidity

"For my people are foolish, they know me not, they are stupid children..."

Christian god-Jeremiah 4:22

Murder Most High

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Ron · Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2002 10:16 pm Post subject: Talking to Non-Believers

Gosh! That was a snappy *Baloney Pop*. You appeared in prior posts to be more educated. Are we getting too close to the Truth? Let Him in Magnum. You will be a great apostle when you do (notice I say when,not if).

Magnum PI · Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2002 5:34 am Post subject: Talking to Non-Believers

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Gosh! That was a snappy *Baloney Pop*. You appeared in prior posts to be more educated.

More Appeals to Ridicule. Are fallacious arguments all you have to debate with?

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Are we getting too close to the Truth?

That you're insecure about your beliefs and have no legitimate basis to defend them on? Yes...I think we have reached the truth. Besides, you're not exactly denying it (much less defending it).

So...how about it Ron? Are you going to act like an adult and debate/discuss the points, facts and evidence presented by Fre and myself or are you just going to continue to stand atop your self-righteous soap box and preach scripture to us, having no original thoughts of your own?

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Ron · Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2002 9:02 am Post subject: Talking to Non-Believers

Please understand, Magnum, that no one can "talk" you into believing in God. This is what free will is all about. If our God was to enforce His Way on the population it would not serve well to be in Heaven. You would be there with a bunch of people that did not want to be there. You see, Heaven is the place reserved for those with faith and salvation in Jesus Christ. This is a conclusion that you, as I did, must come to on your own. No amount of debate or discussion will bring you there. It surely didn't me. I had to have faith and accept those things that I could not see or prove. It is through this that I receieved the Holy Spirit acting in my life in more ways than I could list.

Magnum PI · Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2002 9:25 am Post subject: Talking to Non-Believers

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If our God was to enforce His Way on the population it would not serve well to be in Heaven.

Uh, have you not been paying attention to anything I have posted? Have you even read the Bible? Did you not take a history class in school? Obviously not...otherwise you would realize that God did force (by fear, war, theft of land, and bloodshed) "His Way" onto the world's populations!

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You see, Heaven is the place reserved for those with faith and salvation in Jesus Christ. This is a conclusion that you, as I did, must come to on your own. No amount of debate or discussion will bring you there. It surely didn't me. I had to have faith and accept those things that I could not see or prove. It is through this that I receieved the Holy Spirit acting in my life in more ways than I could list.

Argumentum ad nauseum

"The sanctification of "faith" and demonization of doubt short-circuits the thinking process. Since it is continually drilled into Christians' brains that faith must be maintained at all costs, anything which contradicts a Bible claim is automatically rationalized away as the arrogance of the "wise," as a ploy of Satan, or as a test of faith from God himself. So when it is explained and demonstrated to a Christian that the Bible is simply a collection of ancient writings masquerading as the "Word of God," this is dismissed as the delusion of unbelievers blinded by their sin. (See the wisdom of the world) When scientific discoveries are shown to clearly, directly and unambiguously contradict biblical pronouncements, these scientific discoveries are interpreted by the Christian as satanic trickery. If it is patiently and painstakingly evinced to the Christian that the Bible is filled from one end to the other with obscene cruelty and violence, pagan mythology and superstition, blatant contradictions, ludicrous claims and out and out stupidity, the Christian smiles in the face of this, confident that his faith is being tested by God, and that he will be rewarded accordingly in the Age To Come."

Why Christians Just Don't 'Get It!'

Magnum PI · Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2002 9:31 am Post subject: Talking to Non-Believers

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Do you really not get it?

You are the one not getting it!

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It is us that have the Truth that have nothing to debate.

That's exactly what the terrorists said/thought before WTC on 9/11. It's the same thing every religion says about their "Truth". It's called having a superiority complex!

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Please refer to the definition of faith(Webster's Dictionary, not sure if this is among your acceptable reference materials)

Funny...here's Webster's definition and nowhere does it talk about 'assent' let alone read like what you wrote.

Main Entry: 1faith
Pronunciation: 'fAth
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural faiths /'fAths, sometimes 'fA[th]z/
Etymology: Middle English feith, from Old French feid, foi, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust -- more at BIDE
Date: 13th century
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs
synonym see BELIEF
- in faith : without doubt or question : VERILY (as in blind ignorance, like a child, irrational, passive, submissive)

Webster

Perhaps you need to take another look at that definition

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u · Newbie Alert Joined: 29 Aug 2002 Posts: 3

i never have met or known a non believer in my life and wish that the lord would guide them through their time of need

Fre · Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2002 3:10 pm Post subject: Talking to Non-Believers

Im sure you have met us on the internet at least

U profile: email unique@aol.com

And i think unique is your name on www.darwintalk.com, considering your writing style also.
http://darwintalk.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000001.html

unique
Junior Member posted 08-30-2002 04:28 PM
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all i have to say is that tgamble is a complete idiot. i think that the evolution theory just might be true in your case, tell your ape looking family members that we all say hello

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Ron · Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2002 8:48 pm Post subject: Talking to Non-Believers

Do you really not get it? It is us that have the Truth that have nothing to debate. Do you think your arguements will stand up to God Himself? Please refer to the definition of faith(Webster's Dictionary, not sure if this is among your acceptable reference materials):"Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting on his authority and veracity, without other evidence; the judgment that what another states or testifies is the truth." Notice the word chosen is "assent" rather than "descent:The act of descending; the act of passing from a higher to a lower place:". Do you contribute this to accident, poor choice of words, or???