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P1234567890
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 Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject: One way to win the war on terror... |
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Check out this new strategy on winning the war on terror: stop counting the number of people being killed by terrorists, and then claim that the terrorists are being defeated because the number of civilian casualties has dropped!
CHECK LINK! |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| and it doesn't stop...it just gets sicker and sicker..... |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:52 am Post subject: Re: One way to win the war on terror... |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Check out this new strategy on winning the war on terror: stop counting the number of people being killed by terrorists, and then claim that the terrorists are being defeated because the number of civilian casualties has dropped! |
I actaully thought there was going to be a ssuggestion of sorts on how to approach this War on Terror differently...
And the only thing we see is... more critiscism of how it is currently being waged. Perhaps a walk down the 'memory lane' of doing nothing would be more tenable? |
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theseldomscene
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oh now that cannot be over looked...are you saying ...lie?...
the war has been ran badly...you know that...to lie to cover more lies...is that really CHRISTlike there tri?...
simple fact is..right now...we are losing this iraq war...and we should have never started it...so to say...
"yes we should not but are now in it" ....
so what?...all because we are in it doesn't mean we have to support the lying deceiver that got us there...he can be replaced and should be....
blair is doing the honorable thing now...
bush should too...oh nevermind...
and bush should serve jail time...with clinton...but longer than bill... |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:47 am Post subject: Re: One way to win the war on terror... |
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| Trinity1 wrote: |
And the only thing we see is... more critiscism of how it is currently being waged. Perhaps a walk down the 'memory lane' of doing nothing would be more tenable? |
Umm, the criticism is a little more specific than the vague oversimplification you're giving.
Do you think it is a good idea to change the way they are counting the number of murders and then claim that the murder rate is going down??? |
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Trinity1
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the war has been ran badly...you know that...to lie to cover more lies...is that really CHRISTlike there tri?... |
Specifically, what should have been done differently (since it is being run badly) to make it run 'better'?
| Quote: | | simple fact is..right now...we are losing this iraq war...and we should have never started it...so to say... |
Losing? Really? We are losing?
Do you have any earthly idea what you are talking about? Do you have any idea what it takes to establish a democracy? An Army? Security? Against an enemy that is afraid to show their face? Then compare that to what has been accomplished...
This defeatest... blame America for all the ills of the world mentality is scary stuff... and indicative that you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about... period!
| Quote: | | so what?...all because we are in it doesn't mean we have to support the lying deceiver that got us there...he can be replaced and should be.... |
Specifically... what lie was told... don't equivocate here... present some facts. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: One way to win the war on terror... |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | Umm, the criticism is a little more specific than the vague oversimplification you're giving.
Do you think it is a good idea to change the way they are counting the number of murders and then claim that the murder rate is going down??? |
If you are going to attribute every murder... in an extreemly violent society BTW... to the insurgencey is senseless. If these are in fact murders, and not a result of the terrorism... then they shouldn't be counted. Do we know that all of them were a result of the insurgencey? |
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theseldomscene
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Specifically, what should have been done differently (since it is being run badly) to make it run 'better'? |
specifically...i would not have lied to start it...but now that it is going on...i yhink the last three generals who resigned and all said the same thing about how it should be fought...were right on the money...do you have a clue of what they said?...didn't think so...just arguing what you don't know...
| Quote: | | Losing? Really? We are losing? |
asleep are you?...we already lost...welcome to the truth...
[quote] | Quote: | | Do you have any earthly idea what you are talking about? Do you have any idea what it takes to establish a democracy? An Army? Security? |
yes...as a matter of fact i do....it takes evil men willing to kill all that oppose them....like bush...and like saddam before the invasion...there will be no long term democracy in iraq...ever...and the very thought is uninformed....
| Quote: | | Against an enemy that is afraid to show their face? Then compare that to what has been accomplished... |
a cowardly enemy...you mean like when the u.s. military finds out where the enemy is then flies planes over so high they can't be seen or shot down and drops bombs from that safe distance out of fear of injury to themselves and kills children and women....yes...that is as cowardly as one can get...and america has got there...congrats...
| Quote: | | This defeatest... blame America for all the ills of the world mentality is scary stuff... and indicative that you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about... period! |
oh how i wish that were true...but alas...i lived too long and been to many places and seen too much of america's poisoning of the world...and it is nasty...period!...most of the worlds ill's in one way or another can be traced to american greed....if you don't know that...then you have no clue of what you are talking about...
| Quote: | | Specifically... what lie was told... don't equivocate here... present some facts. |
now you are making yourself look silly...he lied about the type of wmd's saddam didn't have...he lied about evidience of a saddam, alqaidi connection....he lied about saddams weapons program in the face of our own inspector in iraq that said bush was full of crap so the u.s. discredits the inspector as one not capable of knowing about such weapons...even though we had him over there to determine it...do you live under a rock or something?...
pull your head out and look around man...you're deceived...  |
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Trinity1
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | Specifically, what should have been done differently (since it is being run badly) to make it run 'better'? |
specifically...i would not have lied to start it...but now that it is going on...i yhink the last three generals who resigned and all said the same thing about how it should be fought...were right on the money...do you have a clue of what they said?...didn't think so...just arguing what you don't know... |
Which one... Shinseki... Baptise? Who? You want to play here... make your points using specific facts...
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Losing? Really? We are losing? |
asleep are you?...we already lost...welcome to the truth... |
Just what I thought... no answer.
[quote] | Quote: | | Quote: | | Do you have any earthly idea what you are talking about? Do you have any idea what it takes to establish a democracy? An Army? Security? |
yes...as a matter of fact i do....it takes evil men willing to kill all that oppose them....like bush...and like saddam before the invasion...there will be no long term democracy in iraq...ever...and the very thought is uninformed.... |
Again... just what I thought. Do you think for a second the British didn't say the same thing about our own country? Or we stated the same thing about the democracies in eastern Europe during the Cold War? Come on... think for Pete's sake. Iraqi's are people TSS... real live breathing human being that want the same things for themselves and their families as we do... and chief among them is freedom and security. Both can, and will, go hand in hand. It is those who are willing to pay the price that can make it happen. It won’t if people are going to wring their hands of these people and walk away and leave them to the foreign insurgents who want to impose their will on them at the point of a gun.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Against an enemy that is afraid to show their face? Then compare that to what has been accomplished... |
a cowardly enemy...you mean like when the u.s. military finds out where the enemy is then flies planes over so high they can't be seen or shot down and drops bombs from that safe distance out of fear of injury to themselves and kills children and women....yes...that is as cowardly as one can get...and america has got there...congrats... |
Would you prefer we carpet bomb and just kill everything? Collateral damage is fact of life in war. I do find it peculiar that you haven't offered a word of criticism for those who have lit off bombs in the crowds of civilians... no... you have only repeated the talking points of the Al Queada leadership... and the DNC here. 
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | | This defeatest... blame America for all the ills of the world mentality is scary stuff... and indicative that you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about... period! |
oh how i wish that were true...but alas...i lived too long and been to many places and seen too much of america's poisoning of the world...and it is nasty...period! |
...most of the worlds ill's in one way or another can be traced to american greed....if you don't know that...then you have no clue of what you are talking about... |
 Cite... you are getting boring here... try being specific
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Specifically... what lie was told... don't equivocate here... present some facts. |
now you are making yourself look silly...he lied about the type of wmd's saddam didn't have... |
OK.. where did they go? Why was virtually every intelligence service in the world reporting the same information? Why were his VERY OWN GENERALS (during post war interrogations) saying that they had them?
But no... your position is Bush lied. Fine... answer the above questions and you just might have a point.
| Quote: | | he lied about evidience of a saddam, alqaidi connection.... |
Based on intelligence at the time... 
| Quote: | | he lied about saddams weapons program in the face of our own inspector in iraq that said bush was full of crap so the u.s. discredits the inspector as one not capable of knowing about such weapons...even though we had him over there to determine it...do you live under a rock or something?... |
Please.. you... or anyone else please tell me where these stockpiles went then.
And oh... BTW... I'm assuming you are referring to that Scott Ritter fella... you know... the one who was caught red handed soliciting sex with minors on the internet? If that is discrediting someone... fine... no problem.
| Quote: | | pull your head out and look around man...you're deceived... |
Yea... right.... |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Quote: | | he lied about evidience of a saddam, alqaidi connection.... |
Based on intelligence at the time... |
If by "based on intelligence at the time" you mean "despite being informed that there was no evidence for such a connection," yes.
Do you ever fact check? |
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Trinity1
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| FFT wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | Quote: | | he lied about evidience of a saddam, alqaidi connection.... |
Based on intelligence at the time... |
If by "based on intelligence at the time" you mean "despite being informed that there was no evidence for such a connection," yes.
Do you ever fact check? |
It looks like I need to spell this out for you... as it is kind of a complex issue and I have to come to realize that if an idea requires more than 3 seconds of thought and consideration... you get lost real quick.. so let me spell it out for you:
1. We believed that Saddam had ties with Al Quada in the run up to the 2003 invasion. This position was based on a 2002 report from the CIA Director George Tenant. (You know... the Clinton appointee... who was actually in charge of this kind of stuff to begin with?)
2. This evidence was later called into question because the source of the intelligence was found to be unreliable... AFTER THE FACT. (I highlighted that because it is very important... please follow the train of thought here... I'm almost done)
3. We later learn that, although there may have been some question as to whether a meeting of senior Iraqi leaders and Al Quada members ever occurred, it has never been ruled out... only questioned because the source has not been completely accurate. Coupled with the fact that Al Quada is operating in Iraq today (albeit at a much smaller level than what we previously thought) does not negate the relevancy of the issue.
This all leaves me wondering where you get your 'facts' from... MOVEON.ORG? |
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theseldomscene
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[quote="Trinity1"] | Quote: | | Which one... Shinseki... Baptise? Who? You want to play here... make your points using specific facts... |
look trinity if you wish to play ignorant(who is playing?) that is your businsee...i heard them with my own ears...so to play your little games with the truth is worse than any atheist here....if you wish to know the truth it takes a few minutes and some pushed buttons...so don't act like a liar to me...when i heard them myself...and they were right...
| Quote: | | Just what I thought... no answer |
no sir...lack of thought is more like it....
[quote] | Quote: | | Or we stated the same thing about the democracies in eastern Europe during the Cold War? |
please what a sorry comparison...who said that democracy wouldn't work in e. europe?....a credible cite please... 
| Quote: | | Iraqi's are people TSS... real live breathing human being that want the same things for themselves and their families as we do |
actually no they don't....if you have been there you'd know they do not want the same stuff we do...and our ignorance of thinking alol want to be like us is what has gotten us in the stupidity we are in...
| Quote: | | ... and chief among them is freedom and security. |
yes...peace and security from us...
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Both can, and will, go hand in hand. It is those who are willing to pay the price that can make it happen. It won’t if people are going to wring their hands of these people and walk away and leave them to the foreign insurgents who want to impose their will on them at the point of a gun. |
plkeae look up insurgents...so atleast you know what it means..then we will talk more about this...
| Quote: | | Would you prefer we carpet bomb and just kill everything? Collateral damage is fact of life in war. I do find it peculiar that you haven't offered a word of criticism for those who have lit off bombs in the crowds of civilians... no... you have only repeated the talking points of the Al Queada leadership... and the DNC here. |
the truth is the truth if osama spoke it or not...we fight like cowardly women...and so you are hypocritical to say they are cowards for the way they are fighting....they are fighting quite bravely as a matter of fact...and whether it is carpet bombs or not...we are fighting like cowards...and are cowards.......so we are to blme...and maybe i offer no words of criticism to them because we invade them...not the other way around ....you comment reeks of goofiness....
| Quote: | | Cite... you are getting boring here... try being specific |
yes, yes...please just close your eyes to the truth and sleep through it...par for course...and try traveling to chile...or brazil....then flap your trap abuout a cite...and see your uninformedness... ...that dodbing of the truth is satanic...
| Quote: | | OK.. where did they go? Why was virtually every intelligence service in the world reporting the same information? Why were his VERY OWN GENERALS (during post war interrogations) saying that they had them? |
well mr. "i think i know something and run my mouth and prove otherwise"...who reported this?....and confirmed it...never was it confirmed...that is why they are not there...they weren't...but some were found...asa matter of fact i took an army captain fishing who is a chemical officer and has been there for two tours...and guess what...yes...saddam had some...unusable and decayed to the point of harmless in there current form...and there was nothing else...anywhere...and no evidence of them...just bush lies ....
| Quote: | | But no... your position is Bush lied. Fine... answer the above questions and you just might have a point. |
thank you yes...bush lied and now i have a point...
| Quote: | | Based on intelligence at the time... :roll |
 ...WHAT?...horse crap!!!!there was no intelligence at the time to say such ignorant stupidity!!! where do you get these nasty lies from?...
the intelligence at the time said there was no clear connection!!!...so sound intelligent for a change and retract that goofiness!!...
there is no evidence saddam has ever willing allowed al qaida any safe harbor...but there is a paper signed by him telling al qaida not to come to iraq!!!!...(intelligence at the time...what a crock!!!)
[quote] | Quote: | | Please.. you... or anyone else please tell me where these stockpiles went then. |
what stock piles?...there were none tri...that is the point
| Quote: | | And oh... BTW... I'm assuming you are referring to that Scott Ritter fella... you know... the one who was caught red handed soliciting sex with minors on the internet? If that is discrediting someone... fine... no problem. |
oh i see...so he was wrong about all his reports...and his inspections that said bush is a lying murderer...because he solicated a minor...
then bush is wrong...because he discredited himself by committing murder.. ...that is not sound reasponing...nor anything to do with the truth...you should be ashamed...
now i must withdraw a statement...you are not deceived...just willfully less than honest and wantingly ignorant of the topic ...but don't act like everyone else is just because you have your eyes shut to the truth in the name of the republican party... |
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Trinity1
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| theseldomscene wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | Which one... Shinseki... Baptise? Who? You want to play here... make your points using specific facts... |
look trinity if you wish to play ignorant(who is playing?) that is your businsee...i heard them with my own ears...so to play your little games with the truth is worse than any atheist here....if you wish to know the truth it takes a few minutes and some pushed buttons...so don't act like a liar to me...when i heard them myself...and they were right... |
Again... I am asking for specifics. You are making generalizations...
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Just what I thought... no answer |
no sir...lack of thought is more like it.... |
Still no answer...
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Iraqi's are people TSS... real live breathing human being that want the same things for themselves and their families as we do |
actually no they don't....if you have been there you'd know they do not want the same stuff we do...and our ignorance of thinking alol want to be like us is what has gotten us in the stupidity we are in... |
What?
Are you kidding me here? You don't think people want to live in freedom? They don't want to be secure in their own homes, neighborhoods, or schools for their children? Based on what I saw, the conversations with them that I had, and based on what they have done in the past three years, ALL of these unequivocally state that you are just dead wrong!
| Quote: | | Quote: | | ... and chief among them is freedom and security. |
yes...peace and security from us... |
No... they don't want us there anymore than we want to be there. It is a necessary trade off to help them get their government and security established... nothing more.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Would you prefer we carpet bomb and just kill everything? Collateral damage is fact of life in war. I do find it peculiar that you haven't offered a word of criticism for those who have lit off bombs in the crowds of civilians... no... you have only repeated the talking points of the Al Queada leadership... and the DNC here. |
the truth is the truth if osama spoke it or not...we fight like cowardly women...and so you are hypocritical to say they are cowards for the way they are fighting....they are fighting quite bravely as a matter of fact...and whether it is carpet bombs or not...we are fighting like cowards...and are cowards.......so we are to blme...and maybe i offer no words of criticism to them because we invade them...not the other way around ....you comment reeks of goofiness.... |
Cowards? We are cowards? Running into firefights and rescuing Iraqi's from... insurgents... terrorists... is cowardly? Going house to house kicking in doors of suspected terrorists hideouts in Faluga is cowardly? Riding convoys through areas known as "Ambush Alley" or "The Sniper Speedway" is cowardly? I think your idea and ideals have clouded your judgment here...
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Cite... you are getting boring here... try being specific |
yes, yes...please just close your eyes to the truth and sleep through it...par for course...and try traveling to chile...or brazil....then flap your trap abuout a cite...and see your uninformedness... ...that dodbing of the truth is satanic... |
Oh for Pete's sake... this is getting ridiculous... I am doing nothing more than asking for specifics... and all you are doing is naming off geographic regions with no content or point of reference...
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| Quote: | | OK.. where did they go? Why was virtually every intelligence service in the world reporting the same information? Why were his VERY OWN GENERALS (during post war interrogations) saying that they had them? |
well mr. "i think i know something and run my mouth and prove otherwise"...who reported this?....and confirmed it...never was it confirmed... |
Wrong smart guy... it was confirmed... ask the Iranian soldiers who were gassed... the Kurds... who were gassed... the UN inspectors who saw them... destroyed... some of them... It was indeed confirmed.
Now that your excuse has been dealt with, explain why we have recordings of officers saying “hide the nerve gas.. the inspectors are coming” and… we have Iraqi Generals stating they had nerve agents also… if these things didn’t exist?
| Quote: | | that is why they are not there...they weren't...but some were found...asa matter of fact i took an army captain fishing who is a chemical officer and has been there for two tours...and guess what...yes...saddam had some...unusable and decayed to the point of harmless in there current form...and there was nothing else...anywhere...and no evidence of them...just bush lies .... |
What, just because we only have found decayed revenants of the arms Saddam swore he no longer possessed does not mean... the remaining... what ever number of pounds of VX he still possessed, never existed. Nope... I don't buy that. When you have one of your premier weapons (WMD) you simply don't let it decay and become useless. You take care of it... you take care of it because it is one of your primary means of deterring your enemies. This cache we found, albeit important as it does demonstrate that he neither destroyed or turned over all of his stockpiles, only strengthens my point. They are there... or were there. Where they are now is the only question remaining.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | But no... your position is Bush lied. Fine... answer the above questions and you just might have a point. |
thank you yes...bush lied and now i have a point... |
Which would be... that it was not confirmed... which is simply no true. Try again... try using facts this time.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Based on intelligence at the time... :roll |
...WHAT?...horse crap!!!!there was no intelligence at the time to say such ignorant stupidity!!! where do you get these nasty lies from?...
the intelligence at the time said there was no clear connection!!!...so sound intelligent for a change and retract that goofiness!!... |
Try THIS ... particularly this part:
| Quote: | | a 2002 letter written by CIA Director George J. Tenet stating that "we have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda going back a decade" and "credible information indicates that Iraq and al Qaeda have discussed safe haven and reciprocal non-aggression." Cheney's office also pointed to a 2003 Tenet statement calling Zarqawi "a senior al Qaeda terrorist associate." |
When your chief advisor o matters of intelligence is telling you something... you tend to pay attention... this is what the intelligence pointed to... period.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | And oh... BTW... I'm assuming you are referring to that Scott Ritter fella... you know... the one who was caught red handed soliciting sex with minors on the internet? If that is discrediting someone... fine... no problem. |
oh i see...so he was wrong about all his reports...and his inspections that said bush is a lying murderer...because he solicated a minor... |
No... actually I think your assertion was that the Bush administration when after him to impugn his testimony.. which wasn't the case. He was doing that all on his own. Nice try. |
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theseldomscene
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quote="Trinity1"][ | Quote: | | Again... I am asking for specifics. You are making generalizations... |
no sitr...the last three...as specific as one can get...quite lying on me...
| Quote: | | Still no answer... |
still no question...
| Quote: | | Are you kidding me here? |
no sir...
| Quote: | | You don't think people want to live in freedom? |
yes...they want to live free of outside force that dictates how they must live there lives...free of foriegn killers that destroy their homes and families in the name of bush sr's honor ...please...they wish to be free from your idea of what freedom is that you wish to force on them like a rapist...
| Quote: | | They don't want to be secure in their own homes, neighborhoods, or schools for their children? |
and they were..till we came and broke everything...please read a book...
| Quote: | | Based on what I saw, the conversations with them that I had, and based on what they have done in the past three years, ALL of these unequivocally state that you are just dead wrong! |
based on what you are saying...you are wrong tri...and you prove that shortly...i will show you...in a minute...
| Quote: | | No... they don't want us there anymore than we want to be there. |
that is what we have been telling you tri...they don't want us nor did they want us there...see i told you you would prove you were wrong..
| Quote: | | It is a necessary trade off to help them get their government and security established... nothing more. |
 ...like a man holding down a woman and forcing himself on her against her will is a neccessary trade off...they were secure...we came in...now they are not...
| Quote: | | Cowards? We are cowards? Running into firefights and rescuing Iraqi's from... insurgents... terrorists... is cowardly? Going house to house kicking in doors of suspected terrorists hideouts in Faluga is cowardly? Riding convoys through areas known as "Ambush Alley" or "The Sniper Speedway" is cowardly? I think your idea and ideals have clouded your judgment here... |
oh how i wish that were so...but alas...just more babblings from the trinity goofy corner...throwing granades into the windows of houses with families inside because one thinks it might have a terror suspedt in it is not an act of bravery...nor is fighting from hieghts so great none can defend themselves...it is cowardly...storming a house with fifty of us to to one of them ratio with a family in it and killing them all just to kill two insurgents(who are honorable defenders of their own city from an outside army bent on conquest) is cowardly...yes i said and mean it....
| Quote: | | Oh for Pete's sake... this is getting ridiculous... I am doing nothing more than asking for specifics... and all you are doing is naming off geographic regions with no content or point of reference... |
no sir..you are doing nothing but evading the truth...ad you have specifics but are to scared to se them...
| Quote: | Wrong smart guy... it was confirmed... ask the Iranian soldiers who were gassed... the Kurds... who were gassed... the UN inspectors who saw them... destroyed... some of them... It was indeed confirmed.
Now that your excuse has been dealt with, explain why we have recordings of officers saying “hide the nerve gas.. the inspectors are coming” and… we have Iraqi Generals stating they had nerve agents also… if these things didn’t exist? |
now you are being dishonest...the whole flow and every aspect of this topic has been circling around a post desert storm iraq
...you know that but in desperation want to commit intellectual dishonest by going back to a time when saddam wasn't in check and saying that he had them then so we can invade him now when we know he doesn't...
that is called a lie tri...he had none when we invadeed and there is no proof to confirm he did...there couldn't be...because he didn't ...
| Quote: | | Nope... I don't buy t... what. |
yes...i see you struggle with and refuse to see the truth...
| Quote: | | When you have one of your premier weapons (WMD) you simply don't let it decay and become useless. You take care of it... you take care of it because it is one of your primary means of deterring your enemies. |
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he could not do that tri...we had inspectors there to make sure he didn't...forgot about that did you?...no...just chose to forget...
| Quote: | | This cache we found, albeit important as it does demonstrate that he neither destroyed or turned over all of his stockpiles, only strengthens my point. They are there... or were there. Where they are now is the only question remaining. |
no sir it doesn't...ot makes you look ridiculous to try to defend something that is not true and has been proven to be crap...
| Quote: | | that it was not confirmed... which is simply no true. Try again... try using facts this time. |
sure tri...some facts...the info was not confirmed...the stuff ain't there and the fact it wsn't confirmed has been confirmed...but you must have been asleep then too...be
| Quote: | | a 2002 letter written by CIA Director George J. Tenet stating that "we have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda going back a decade" and "credible information indicates that Iraq and al Qaeda have discussed safe haven and reciprocal non-aggression." Cheney's office also pointed to a 2003 Tenet statement calling Zarqawi "a senior al Qaeda terrorist associate." |
horse crap...(i almost cussed)...yes they discussed it and saddam said no...not at all...ever...and those caught in iraq will be imprisoned...
please don't be dishonest...it is sickening...and atta was a leut. in al qaida and had safe haven in florida from jeb bush...see the stupidity of what you said?...no...of course not...then the rep. would be wrong.. ]
and about ritter...oh i see...so he was wrong about all his reports...and his inspections that said bush is a lying murderer...because he solicated a minor...
| Quote: | | No... actually I think your assertion was that the Bush administration when after him to impugn his testimony.. which wasn't the case. He was doing that all on his own. Nice try. |
uh...i would earnestly encourage you to research before you babble...the impugn had nothing to do with his personal life...they said he wasn't a quilified chemical weeapons man...so he would not know if saddam had them or not...which says they didn't either...yes it was a nice and successful try...and the mans actoins with an under age girl has nothing to do with his report about what iraq didn't have...that was a slimey attempt to usurp the truth tri..
are you saying that if a persson commits a crime they should not be listened to or heeded in their profession...even when the two are not related?...be careful with that answer(if you even answer)...it might kill all you are saying here...
your post just more water mudding with lies from the bush propaganda camp .. |
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Trinity1
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I got to run but want to make this point...
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| Quote: | | You don't think people want to live in freedom? |
yes...they want to live free of outside force that dictates how they must live there lives...free of foriegn killers that destroy their homes and families in the name of bush sr's honor ...please...they wish to be free from your idea of what freedom is that you wish to force on them like a rapist... |
Ok... and then you say...
| Quote: | | Quote: | | They don't want to be secure in their own homes, neighborhoods, or schools for their children? |
and they were..till we came and broke everything...please read a book... |
Couple points here... if you had any idea what these people had to endure under Saddam and his police you would be begging every Iraqi citizen, beginning today, for making said statement. I have been to the torture chambers and prisons. I have seen the blood on the walls and floors of these places. Seen the devices used on the people. Don't even try this crap that they were better off.
Two... I don't need to read a book on what went on over there or what is going on overt here. I've been there... talked with these people, worked with these people... and lived among them.
If someone needs to read a book I beleive that would be you Sir. If you would like.. I'll write one for you! Don't try to lecture me about what these people do and do not want. Don't try to lecture me about how we are imposing anything on them. They were thankful... to the point of tears in most cases.. with gratitude that we are there. |
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