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Trinity1
Emperor of the World
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| digitalartist wrote: | | If Adam and Eve were indeed the only humans then Cain would have had to marry his sister. |
and there isn't much of a choice here for him. So, your point is...?
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antiaging
Little Goldfish
Joined: 17 Sep 2007
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Location: New Orleans LA
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| VoodooChild wrote: | Point of Contention,
With the creation date, the time between Adam and Noah and then Noah to the flood we get a flood date of 2450 BCE.
4106 - 1056 - 600 = 2450
There are a lot of problems with this date; for one it falls right in the middle of the 5th Dynasty in Egypt during the reign of Pharoe Neferefre. Yet there was not a mention and the 5th Dynasty moved forward without ANY interruption. In China, the Longshan culture also apparantly completely missed the great flood and had no record of it. |
You cannot get a date for creation or a date for Noah's flood from the bible. The geneology in the bible is a partial geneology. The Hebrew use of the word son(s) can apply to a child of someone or to a descendant many generations down. Also the word beget or begat, according to the American Heritage dictionary can apply to a child of someone or a descendant generations down.
You can see the evidence of this in Genesis chapter 10. The sons of Noah's children must be descendants many generations down, because just a few verses down you have many people. Enough to have a kingdom.
Genesis 10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
Genesis 10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
Genesis 10:4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
Genesis 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
Genesis 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.
Genesis 10:7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtecha: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.
Genesis 10:8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
Genesis 10:9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD.
Genesis 10:10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
Because it is a partial geneology there could be a time break between Noah and the sons of Noah's children that could extend for hundreds of thousands of years. Who knows.
This could push Noah's flood back hundreds of thousands of years. |
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noah
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Joined: 21 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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P1234567890 wrote:
| Quote: | | And just out of curiosity... if God created man in the year 4106 B.C., then in which year did He create the universe? |
The same year.
Trinity1 wrote:
| Quote: | | Does the Bible state that God spoke audibly to Noah? |
Gen 9:1, 9:8
45degreeN wrote:
| Quote: | | The dating by Bishop Usher was totally incorrect even in Biblical terms since he ignored skips in generations and fathers being confused with sons |
I've revisited this topic independent of the methodology that Bishop Ussher's used for I have not read his work. I did this because I could find no good research on the age of the earth freely available on the internet as everybody seems to be selling the gospel all the time. My independent research came in 102 years beyond what Ussher proposed some 350 years ago. The B.C.E. number itself is not interesting only the timespan from Creation until Revelation. I've found from other Biblical sources that forty-two is the Lord's number which really makes this study interesting.
antiaging wrote:
| Quote: | | You can see the evidence of this in Genesis chapter 10. The sons of Noah's children must be descendants many generations down, because just a few verses down you have many people. Enough to have a kingdom. |
You are referring to the table of nations in Genesis chapter 10 from which every person living today is a descendant. This is apparently only a partial genealogy with the root ancestors mentioned and not a fully named family tree.
antiaging wrote:
| Quote: | | Because it is a partial geneology there could be a time break between Noah and the sons of Noah's children that could extend for hundreds of thousands of years. Who knows. This could push Noah's flood back hundreds of thousands of years |
In Genesis 11:10-32 the account of Shem describes ten generations from Shem to Abram and the age of the father is also recorded when the son was born. The lifespan of the father is also recorded for each of the ten generations and so demonstrates there are no gaps. If the Word is to be believed then one can reasonably conclude that 292 years transpired from the flood event until the birth of Abram. |
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digitalartist
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Joined: 19 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | digitalartist wrote: | | If Adam and Eve were indeed the only humans then Cain would have had to marry his sister. |
and there isn't much of a choice here for him. So, your point is...? |
The point is that Studies on population in which inbreeding is common have shown increased levels of mortality and morbidity due to a variety of genetic defects. If inbreeding was done from the start there wold be continuous degradation of the human species and not the variety we have today |
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